Knowing vs. Practicing

[missmarie]

hi all!

first post! really excited to find a forum where i can find information and also ask questions.

i feel like i've been obsessed with finding out as much spiritual information as possible. i am at a point where i know what i need to do based on the information i've gathered. my problem is, even though i KNOW quite a bit for someone who just woke up a year ago, i still feel frustrated that i cannot seem to break completely free of fear. i understand MANY crazy things are happening in our world, and i even understand why. but i still feel very alone and nervous even though i know, in the end, a better world is possible and coming.

are there any easy techniques that you know of, or inspirational things i could read that may help?

thanks very much!

ex oh.
marie

[3DMonkey]

Hello Miss Marie

Certainly, whatever you have discovered is beneficial for you at this particular time. Explore and embrace what is being applied this moment. Thoughts of what is possible and what can be achieved create who you are, right now. Don't fear ever being able to release fear . There is a time and a season for everything, enjoy the weather.

[βαθμιαίος]

Hi missmarie,

I don't know how much, if any, of the Ra material you have read, but there is a question/answer that explores the difference between knowing and acceptance that you might find helpful:

61.9 Questioner: This brings out the point of the purpose of the physical incarnation, I believe. And that is to reach a conviction through your own thought processes as to a solution to problems and understandings in a totally free situation with no proof at all or anything that you would consider proof, proof being a very poor word in itself. Can you expand on my concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Your opinion is an eloquent one although somewhat confused in its connections between the freedom expressed by subjective knowing and the freedom expressed by subjective acceptance. There is a significant distinction between the two.

This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other in-pourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom.

That known as the subjective knowing without proof is, in some degree, a poor friend for there will be anomalies no matter how much information is garnered due to the distortions which form third-density.

[Unbound]

We seek within.

[Oldern]

Hello, Missmarie!

I have good news and better news. Good news is, you are already discovering this material, so you are just on the right track. That is quite important. Better news is: time will put things in perspective. I have discovered the Law of One (or it has re-membered me, to say it that way) about a year ago, hindered with quite a few health issues and needless to say, a huge ego, and just the right amount of personal issues as well. When I read about stuff like "not fearing death" or "not being affected by situations", it seemed a bit too idealistic, if not a straight "lie".

But now I know what back then I could not even imagine. Things really are well, even in hour darkest hours. You will discover that sooner or later, but it is within you.

I think the most important tool for me was the chakra activations. Sit down for 10-15 mins as a daily routine, and imagine yourself and the energy centers in your body activate, accelerate, "come back at full speed". Red: you exist. You are strong, you are rooted here, you are living as you want to live. Orange: you are what you are. You have your traits, you can digest what gets thrown at you, and you react to it at an increasingly peaceful way. Yellow: you and what you perceive as outside are connected. There is an uncuttable connection between the outer and the inner, and you are in the center of it. Green: you love every being out there and every being inside yourself. You are the Love itself. Blue: you can voice your thoughts, and you can accept communication from other-selves as well. Purple: You rest well, knowing that your higher self, the higher beings are always going to give you what you need at the moment. You have faith.

Now, as you do this, focusing on each color for about 1-2 mins, you might encounter issues. Your own issues. You then start working with them. Trying to find a comfortable way of confronting certain fears, maybe transmuting them to become a new You. This was the start for me, personally.

Know this, however: ultimately, these tools - just as the chakras themselves - are permission slips to use tools that are "outside" you or "techniques" to face what belief system you have. So use the tools that you prefer, and use them until you want them to be useful. They are within you to serve you.

Also, if you "cannot break the cycle of fear", then at least one belief system remains within you that seems to state that there IS a possibility for something to be lost permanently. Discover that, and have a talk with it.

[missmarie]

thank you 3DM! that was reassuring to hear.

Hello Miss Marie

Certainly, whatever you have discovered is beneficial for you at this particular time. Explore and embrace what is being applied this moment. Thoughts of what is possible and what can be achieved create who you are, right now. Don't fear ever being able to release fear . There is a time and a season for everything, enjoy the weather.

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i will definitely check that out. i just discovered this website this morning and through "the sons of the Law of One" podcast (there is channeled material from Ra on there as well). he mentioned llresearch, which is how i came across this forum. i just ordered a book from the LL store today, so i am excited to find all of this info. thanks for sharing!

Hi missmarie,

I don't know how much, if any, of the Ra material you have read, but there is a question/answer that explores the difference between knowing and acceptance that you might find helpful:

61.9 Questioner: This brings out the point of the purpose of the physical incarnation, I believe. And that is to reach a conviction through your own thought processes as to a solution to problems and understandings in a totally free situation with no proof at all or anything that you would consider proof, proof being a very poor word in itself. Can you expand on my concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Your opinion is an eloquent one although somewhat confused in its connections between the freedom expressed by subjective knowing and the freedom expressed by subjective acceptance. There is a significant distinction between the two.

This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other in-pourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom.

That known as the subjective knowing without proof is, in some degree, a poor friend for there will be anomalies no matter how much information is garnered due to the distortions which form third-density.

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hi!

thanks for the warm welcome and your reassuring words. i have been scrutinizing everything about myself in light of what i now know.

i suppose having some fear is normal as it relates to instinct and fight or flight syndrome. most of my fear-based anxiety stems from governmental affairs. seeing the direction the world is turning really concerns me and i do not agree with almost all of it. and also the fact that things will be very rough down the road... for some reason i feel like i need to survive it. i feel like a soldier readying for battle even though the battle road for me would be a non-participatory, remove myself from the grid kind of living.

even though my heart feels completely pure and full of light - i want nothing less than a better, kinder world for all. i ask for it more than anything else. i worry that if i hang onto the fear of govt that it will hold me back, though i dont know if this is true.

i have heard so many opinions about this - and realize i'm not perfect (at least in my own eyes), i just want to be sure i am doing everything in my power to dump any negativity i can so i feel i am assisting as fully as possible. i just dont know if i am doing enough - i feel i can always do more, always improve myself more. or perhaps this is my insecurity rearing its head!

Hello there, I am glad you have found your way here. I would first like to note that everything is very much "in process", and it is not unusual in the least for one to feel nervous and have some fear. In fact, at this point in time, I'd say it's almost expected. As the veil melts away more and more, individuals are going to be opening up to a greater degree of their awareness and with this the awareness of their shadow selves. Many people will be learning to face their shadow selves at this time, which can manifest especially as an anxiety about "what am I doing? Who I am? Where am I?" as one grapples with the body of their doubts and beliefs.

One technique comes in to my mind, that really I share with virtually everyone, and that is to spend some time meditating upon your heartbeat. Connect with it, its pulse, its movement, its sound if you can, and just absorb yourself in to your heartbeat. I hope that hopes, I wish you well, blessings.

[Unbound]

We seek within.

[Gribbons]

Ok, Hi Marie. Love to chat with you.

If you feel like you want to dump negativity, don't feel like a soldier. Soldier's take orders. There's a soldier in me too, but it responds to me, or those I really respect, but know what your values are before you define what it is you think you respect, which, for instance, in the military, is very fear-based and hierarchical.

Know your belief systems. A lot of people on here will testify that for a long time they sorted themselves out by living through the treachery of "living two lives" or "living in two worlds," where "the world of ideas, and the world of the conventional... clashed" (Plenum http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4126 )

I've heard about all of this since '09, and only recently have I felt really good that what I've been learning was worth it. I'm glad you're here, and, at times, things will be strenuous to you, but rest assured, from experience, it's literally your brain adapting to the new light, new neural pathways being created to this concept that is being suppressed in nearly all areas of mainstream society. That's why personal intuition and discernment are highly encouraged here. Ra and Q'uo always say, whatever doesn't resonate with you, let roll off your back like water off a duck... or something along those lines.

I'd be glad to talk with you more personally or in-depth, if you so desire, on this thread or PM. All's well. Welcome to Bring4th.

[Sagittarius]

hi all!

first post! really excited to find a forum where i can find information and also ask questions.

i feel like i've been obsessed with finding out as much spiritual information as possible. i am at a point where i know what i need to do based on the information i've gathered. my problem is, even though i KNOW quite a bit for someone who just woke up a year ago, i still feel frustrated that i cannot seem to break completely free of fear. i understand MANY crazy things are happening in our world, and i even understand why. but i still feel very alone and nervous even though i know, in the end, a better world is possible and coming.

are there any easy techniques that you know of, or inspirational things i could read that may help?

thanks very much!

ex oh.
marie

I recognise what you described and for me it was a significant phase I went through. Only time will mend it, you planned for yourself to go through this stage of awakening at this specific time.

Be alert and listen to your intuition, you will work it out for yourself. Imo it is simply the integration of all you have learnt into your being. The old you won't leave without a fight. There are dark times leading up to the light, it is only natural and once it is over with you will feel better.

Oh also nice choice in music, keep listening to Maynard he almost does the work for you. Have a listen to the bands Karnivool and Floating Me. Both are very similar to tool.

[native]

It's all part of the thought-war taking place. Information about potentials and agendas exist to create a sense of helplessness and inevitability so as to enslave the mind.

As I see it, everything comes down to a simple choice. You either believe all kinds of bad things are going to happen, or you have the faith to know that they aren't. We're in for a difficult transition, I agree with that, and certain chess pieces are being moved around, but the idea that somehow the collective is just going to roll over underestimates the human spirit.

The collective is just lazy right now (much like myself), and eventually they'll get fed up and start creating real change. Is the collective lazy because I'm lazy? It must be. I'm not as active as I'd like to be, but I'm trying to change that.

I try to laugh at life as much as possible, and enjoy being here.

[Bring4th_Austin]

As I see it, everything comes down to a simple choice. You either believe all kinds of bad things are going to happen, or you have the faith to know that they aren't. We're in for a difficult transition, I agree with that, and certain chess pieces are being moved around, but the idea that somehow the collective is just going to roll over underestimates the human spirit.

The way I see it, the "things" are going to happen regardless of how much faith you have. Labeling them as "bad" will have you receive a bad effect, while labeling them as "useful" will result in a useful effect. To me, faith is knowing that no matter what happens, I have the ability to draw a positive meaning from it.

The "transition" may be bumpy, may be smooth, or may be non-existent. True faith would be to not have our mentality shaken in consideration of any of those possibilities.

The collective is just lazy right now (much like myself), and eventually they'll get fed up and start creating real change. Is the collective lazy because I'm lazy? It must be. I'm not as active as I'd like to be, but I'm trying to change that.

I think you're touching on an aspect of "societal synchronicity." I believe that those who are "lazy" (to no fault, of course) will be met with others within society who are similarly lazy, and have a general societal view of laziness. I have personally found that the more I am active and engaged in creating what I feel to be a loving and supportive society, I am met with equal enthusiasm. I find myself meeting more and more people who are just as enthused as I am about creating change, and I am able to perceive change in a positive light within the things in which I am involved. I believe our subjective reality abounds with a reciprocation of our own being.

[Patrick]

In other words. There is Love in the moment.

[native]

The way I see it, the "things" are going to happen regardless of how much faith you have. Labeling them as "bad" will have you receive a bad effect, while labeling them as "useful" will result in a useful effect.

The conditions that exist are certainly teaching tools about the self, and to push them away rather than using them as reflections for growth invites imbalance. I just think there is way too much worrying however, but there would be less to worry about if more were active which we're also discussing.

I think you're touching on an aspect of "societal synchronicity." I believe that those who are "lazy" (to no fault, of course) will be met with others within society who are similarly lazy, and have a general societal view of laziness.

I'm just saying that others have yet to grasp the why's and how's of the conditions they find themselves in, and so there is less reason to be active. It was more of a comment on the third discipline of the mind in 5.2. How every aspect of the self can be reflected in society, and if you can find congruency in everything, it helps immensely with balance.

But I agree that when effort is put in, the universe responds!

[missmarie]

I think your last sentence there pretty much summed up all I might say.

I understand the fears of the government and the way things are going in a publicized way. On the other hand, the planet is more filled with Light than it has been for thousands of years, so I think we can all afford a nice pat on the back. Lots to go, but we must forget our bravery for walking the path to reach here.

As for the "off-grid" thing, I would contend it would be more applicable to consider that in light of the intention. I'm sure the reason you want to do that isn't necessarily just because of your fears but also because of interest in the life-style. There is no wrong path, each situation in life may be seen for the service within.

the off-grid thing is for several reasons. after it dawned on me that my "reality" isnt what i thought it was, i had a shift in perspective. i dont care to consume more than i need for the sake of simply HAVING. if it serves no purpose, i dont want it. my ego doesnt really like this side of me, but deep down the truth is that i want peace and simplicity in my life. i want to wake up with the sunrise, not an alarm clock. i want my job to be working the land and harvesting the fruit of my labor, not working as a paper pusher for fiat currency that ends up getting taken away through inflation, fees and taxes. i love nature, and that is where i would like to "retire". with a few pet chickens and maybe some pygmy goats, too.

unfortunately, 3D manifestation takes some time and planning...

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Ok, Hi Marie. Love to chat with you.

If you feel like you want to dump negativity, don't feel like a soldier. Soldier's take orders. There's a soldier in me too, but it responds to me, or those I really respect, but know what your values are before you define what it is you think you respect, which, for instance, in the military, is very fear-based and hierarchical.

Know your belief systems. A lot of people on here will testify that for a long time they sorted themselves out by living through the treachery of "living two lives" or "living in two worlds," where "the world of ideas, and the world of the conventional... clashed" (Plenum http://bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4126 )

I've heard about all of this since '09, and only recently have I felt really good that what I've been learning was worth it. I'm glad you're here, and, at times, things will be strenuous to you, but rest assured, from experience, it's literally your brain adapting to the new light, new neural pathways being created to this concept that is being suppressed in nearly all areas of mainstream society. That's why personal intuition and discernment are highly encouraged here. Ra and Q'uo always say, whatever doesn't resonate with you, let roll off your back like water off a duck... or something along those lines.

I'd be glad to talk with you more personally or in-depth, if you so desire, on this thread or PM. All's well. Welcome to Bring4th.

hihi!

yes, i agree with everything you said. i DO feel i'm living in two worlds! however, i also know that i still have some realizations to come to before i can let it pass. i always feel there is always more self-improvements that can be made and perspectives to consider, realizations to have. its challenging to be in this spot, but i know it will get better with time, and listening to "the sons of the Law of One" podcast helps too.

and also, THIS (if true, would be absolutely amazzzzzing)!:
http://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=4681

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hi all!

first post! really excited to find a forum where i can find information and also ask questions.

i feel like i've been obsessed with finding out as much spiritual information as possible. i am at a point where i know what i need to do based on the information i've gathered. my problem is, even though i KNOW quite a bit for someone who just woke up a year ago, i still feel frustrated that i cannot seem to break completely free of fear. i understand MANY crazy things are happening in our world, and i even understand why. but i still feel very alone and nervous even though i know, in the end, a better world is possible and coming.

are there any easy techniques that you know of, or inspirational things i could read that may help?

thanks very much!

ex oh.
marie

I recognise what you described and for me it was a significant phase I went through. Only time will mend it, you planned for yourself to go through this stage of awakening at this specific time.

Be alert and listen to your intuition, you will work it out for yourself. Imo it is simply the integration of all you have learnt into your being. The old you won't leave without a fight. There are dark times leading up to the light, it is only natural and once it is over with you will feel better.

Oh also nice choice in music, keep listening to Maynard he almost does the work for you. Have a listen to the bands Karnivool and Floating Me. Both are very similar to tool.

it can feel overwhemling at times, but i think youre right. i have to be patient with myself and work through it naturally.

i was lucky enough to snag a ticket to see a perfect circle kind of last minute (last show of their last tour). funny thing that ended up happening - someone from front row didn't show up, and the security guy was kind enough to give me an upgrade to front row. PLUS billy howerdell came over and gave me his guitar pick. *SWOON* best concert of my life... and i went by myself.

i'm going to check out those bands on spotify. thanks for the suggestion! i

[hogey11]

I have thought much about this.

One one hand, you want to 'eject' from 3D reality and get started ahead of the class in 4D. We want to move to a piece of ecological heaven and raise small animals and enough produce for the family and our community while living peacefully with those around us. The problem with this is that, like you say, this is impossible without a lot of planning, hard decisions, and access to freedom/resources to make it happen. These are all hard things to acquire for many, and often comes at the expense of leaving family & friends behind.

However, the even bigger issue for myself lies in the message behind the act; it is the time for now, not the time for later. The biggest thing that has 'held me back' in going full-hippie is that I don't feel that time is the now. I feel like it is coming, but what good do we do as sources of light if we're off in some forest wonderland somewhere else? While we exist in this 3D space, I believe it should be embraced and made the most of. If we are to be anchors of light or wanderers, we need to engage with the world; not ignore it. 4D is coming; the only thing to be afraid of is missing an opportunity to be yourself between now and then.

As far as any techniques or inspirations to help keep out the fear, just remember that the ways that things affect us are usually quite different from how they are portrayed. As far as government control goes, they may have many rights to do things if they happen, but what are they really doing to you right now that you aren't choosing yourself? We can sit here and postulate about people dying due to US occupation somewhere, but even then we know nothing of the truth of those situations. The reality is that polarities exist, and without those polarities we wouldn't ever have to make choices in which we are allowed to evolve towards a greater purpose. Think of it this way: every time the government pushes a little harder and takes more of our freedoms from us, they edge closer and closer to that inevitable cliff edge where they push too hard and lose everything. Ultimately, it's their push towards the extreme that will do them in; these things can be good things in the right perspectives. The things that you can directly control in life are whether or not you're going to be happy and give your love freely today. I just try to keep things in focus for myself (as I read too much news already) and remember that just like watching my wife giving birth a year ago, the most beautiful processes in the world aren't always pretty... We're just watching the process unfold - moans, screams, and all

[Gribbons]

What a beautiful analogy, hogey11. However, I must interject with the following perspective: I see the planet Earth as going through growing pains and giving birth to the 4th density/5th dimensional Earth, however, to see the encumbersome government as being beneficial to us is like seeing cancer as being a part of a symbiotic relationship and a lecherous troll being of benefit to a truth-seeking debate.

@_@ you see where I'm going?

If you want to take the argument that without the perspective of evil we would not know good, I suggest playing with fire, as it is elemental, and is much more elementary and necessary for life than is the troll.

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And missMarie, yes, let it come to you. We can only provide you with information.. the Force will lead you to realization, as long as you keep an open mind. I only recommend to let your feelings determine your beliefs, for others will suppress you into believing non-historical, literary texts as infallible, and non-questionable, which, from experience, I say, let go of the doubt that you're wrong for questioning it's authenticity and how it applies to your, as they say, once-in-a-lifetime soul opportunity.

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There is nothing scarier than being wrong by the masses, and, by that, being doomed for all eternity. It's not true. Let go of your fear. All of it. Peace be with you.

[hogey11]

I'm with ya, Gribbons. I guess i'm purely hitting on the silver lining of it all. We have to trust that the karmic load of all those involved is fair and that ultimately it will be the governments overstep that will cause the masses to continue to wake up. How many people would still be placated by the governments performance without things like the TSA, CISPA/SOPA, government occupations, etc.? I would implore not to support these activities in any way, but we should acknowledge that is it these oversteps that are creating enough dissonance that the mass public is starting to wake up and get spurred on to action. Without the corruption within the government, we would have less to rally around and less to be impassioned by. In this way, I can see our "oppression" as the means to the proper end. Just like catalyst, we must go through it in order to properly appreciate it.

To throw your analogy back at you, what if it takes an event like contracting cancer in one's life to truly understand the lessons that need to be learnt? We can't ever assume a moral high ground because we don't know what each event signifies on a karmic/soul-based level. All we can go off of is that all is well, and we are here to spread our love and light to this world. The darker it gets; the brighter we shine.

[Gribbons]

I understand what you mean, I just don't equate corruption to 3rd density life, and see it as something we have chosen to do or have been tricked or intimidated into.. Ra has mentioned other 3rd density lifeforms spent their time studying metaphysics and their relationship with the OIC for practical, physical use. They probably know how to harness the universe for energy and food even.

[3DMonkey]

Hogey, I always enjoy your input. Love ya, man. Wish I could give input, but yours stands alone. Keep it up.

[hogey11]

@Gribbons

For myself, corruption is a hallmark of 3rd density. By its definition, corruption is deception; therefore, I would argue it can be traced back to the veil. Corruption of a professional/political nature is not possible in the 4th density and beyond; intentions would not be so easily concealed in 4D+ from what I remember from Ra... I think its a reality we have to face in 3D space before we will begin to understand it and accept it. Some people are going to flat out lie to your face as they slowly steal from you and try to kill you. Finding a way to love them instead of punishing them is a pretty sweet resolution to aim for if one were aiming for STO harvest imo...

I absolutely agree with you that this dichotomy we participate in is something that we have been tricked into choosing for ourselves. I think you are probably right in how these different lifeforms were able to progress in ways we have left behind; even in past civilizations on earth I think this is true (Lemuria/Atlantis et al). I think the reality we face is that we 'finished the game' through the war/conflict route. We took a brutal path, but through this I believe we provided great karmic service to the OIC.

I think what I am realizing is that the 'key' I have found to being so positive about all this stuff is the simple realization that catalyst is good. That's not to say that catalyst sucks to go through, because it often does; we just have to accept that when things happen in life, it is our job to respond and not judge. We can respond to corruption with truth-seeking; we just aren't there yet. I am also in agreement with you on the status of this planet being birthed or evolving into the next step; I hope that you and I will be harnessing new technologies soon enough

@monkey

I think we have an internet bromance.

[Bang Kaew]

i often wake up from a nap feeling nervous. Don't know why but I find that the more time I spend reading the LOO etc the more content i am in general. I found the LOO through the conspiracy theory web sites. I found that they made me depressed but when I read the LOO it absolutely BLEW ME AWAY! That was over 2 years ago now and I have become more and more spiritual. Multiple dreams a night containing great advice and I even am starting to have awake dreams in the morning but unfortunately they make no sense.

[DMCubic]

MissMarie:

Best spiritual help I've ever gotten was from some videos on YouTube. Go there and search "Mooji," "Adyashanti," "Gangaji," and "John Sherman." They are very positive teachers in line with the Law of One, even though none of them have probably ever even heard of Ra. They might be able to give you some advice applicable to the personal ups and downs here, less in line with what Ra said about Harvest and more in line with the general gist of STO - seeking the heart of self.

[Tango]

hi all!

first post! really excited to find a forum where i can find information and also ask questions.

i feel like i've been obsessed with finding out as much spiritual information as possible. i am at a point where i know what i need to do based on the information i've gathered. my problem is, even though i KNOW quite a bit for someone who just woke up a year ago, i still feel frustrated that i cannot seem to break completely free of fear. i understand MANY crazy things are happening in our world, and i even understand why. but i still feel very alone and nervous even though i know, in the end, a better world is possible and coming.

are there any easy techniques that you know of, or inspirational things i could read that may help?

thanks very much!

ex oh.
marie

HELP, my favorite word!

Marie, you've received excellent help, in abundance! I would only offer an old saying which has carried me though ... fear... successfully to this moment.

Courage is acting in spite of fear.

Have courage sweet one!