Suicide

[BlatzAdict]

people who commit suicide in the afterlife regret it because they incarnated into the life they wanted which always pertains to specific spiritual lessons they assign to themselves to learn. after commiting suicide they start to remember their soul honored promises and always regret suicide.

Most of the time souls that commit suicide are not allowed to pick the next life, and the elder council picks that life for them. That means you don't get to pick your sex, your astrology, the major points of whom you interact with and meet during your life and the challenges you are there to overcome as well as the lessons you picked for yourself to learn.

You can refute what I'm saying all you want, I studied the Law of One front to back, and did years of comparative study.

[Nicholas]

You can refute what I'm saying all you want, I studied the Law of One front to back, and did years of comparative study.

Meanwhile, while you continue to pigeon poo over differing perspectives, some people just need a little space to talk and share how they feel. Bring4th is not just a place to debate our intellectual understandings of metaphysics, it is also a space in which to ask for help and support. 

Please respect the space in certain threads, Felix. I accept you have studied a great deal of information, but this particular thread is not about that. 

Sometimes we can be overloaded and overwhelmed by info, and more complexity (opinons) just adds to the confusion.

[Minyatur]

If one day you do happen to commit suicide (not saying you should either). Know it's well, it's fine, it isn't selfish, it won't get back to you. It'd be a step in your seeking of love and peace and for which your duty would then become to find understanding and love for yourself on why it happened this way.

I think to advise you otherwise than seeking to love and understand yourself would only result in greater wounds to your soul if you were pushed down that path, so I rather say that whatever you do, seek to be at peace most you can with your choices and all will be well.

"69.6 Questioner: Do I understand, then, that death, whether it is by natural means or accidental death or suicide, all deaths of this type would create the same after-death condition which would avail an entity to its protection from friends? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We presume you mean to inquire whether in the death experience, no matter what the cause, the negative friends are not able to remove an entity. This is correct largely because the entity without the attachment to the space/time physical complex is far more aware and without the gullibility which is somewhat the hallmark of those who love wholeheartedly.

However, the death, if natural, would undoubtedly be the more harmonious; the death by murder being confused and the entity needing some time/space in which to get its bearings, so to speak; the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self."


just cause minyataur doesn't know what he is talking about.... "the death by suicide causing the necessity for much healing work and, shall we say, the making of a dedication to the third density for the renewed opportunity of learning the lessons set by the higher self."

again suicide is a one way ticket back to third density. do not kill yourself because you had to literally beg and wait in a long ling to incarnate on this planet you call Earth.



i remember that line and i penetrated the forgetting. Mark my words, you just don't remember being on that line.

I stand by my initial point, fear-based mentalities and the inducing of guilt like your previous post did, does add to the healing work that you mentionned.

What does this mean? Say someone you know kills itself and let's say there's 3 scenarios.

Scenario 1 you didn't inject your polarity within the event and only the person's own polarity is now relevant about the extent to which it can hurt itself in the process or not.

Scenario 2, you've shown acceptance of this person's choice because you sought understanding and as such helped the person be more at peace with the act which reduces the potential of hurting itself in the process.

Scenario 3, you've been rejecting of where this person was at and induced fear and guilt which failed at imposing control over the person. Now the person died in a greater struggle, feeling more torn apart and through this hurt itself in greater ways.

What's my point? Inducing fear and guilt is hardly positive.

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I do agree the Ra quote is what is true in most circumstances, because usually someone kill themselves out of being torn emotionally. Yet, if done with calm heart and mind, then I disagree that it necessarily mean to damage your soul and can simply be a way to move on from this place.

This is a somewhat rarer case but it is said ascended masters choose the moment of their death and this is exactly what I intend to do, although I don't intend to end my beingness here through a physical mean but through spiritual awareness that I never was truly bound here. Which basicly, remains a form of suicide as it implies conscious dissolution of the mind/body/spirit complex.

Btw, natural death can also contains many regrets and create a need to renew a 3D experience, so like I said relativity. Acceptance seek to accept how another is, rejection seek to change them to your own views.

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So what is it that I'd want to offer the person (Kaaron in this case)? That all is well. So that if they end up doing it, maybe they'll have been a bit more at peace in their act. And if they don't, then maybe that they learned to be acceptant of their own desire of it, which makes it easier to find love for themselves. Nothing is overcome, everything is understandable, everything is beautiful.

So Kaaron, all is well and you are a marvelous and perfect soul and it brings me joy to know that at a certain time you will have healed all that you have to heal within yourself. The path is your own just like ours are our own. There is nothing to judge, we all are in your shoes feeling what you feel and choosing alongside you. This is Unity. Still, based on everything you said (outside my more general view) I think you do desire to live on more than not and as such I wish you to find peace within this lifetime rather than outside.

[BlatzAdict]

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I do agree the Ra quote is what is true in most circumstances, because usually someone kill themselves out of being torn emotionally. Yet, if done with calm heart and mind, then I disagree that it necessarily mean to damage your soul and can simply be a way to move on from this place.

This is a somewhat rarer case but it is said ascended masters choose the moment of their death and this is exactly what I intend to do, although I don't intend to end my beingness here through a physical mean but through spiritual awareness that I never was truly bound here. Which basicly, remains a form of suicide as it implies conscious dissolution of the mind/body/spirit complex.

Btw, natural death can also contains many regrets and create a need to renew a 3D experience, so like I said relativity. Acceptance seek to accept how another is, rejection seek to change them to your own views.

done with calm mind and heart? seriously? you are left brain. I think you are too much light not enough love. done at the place of your choosing, yea okay then i'd like to see you try practicing the only study that has produced people who have documented evidence of going into light body in the past 100 years. dzogchen buddhism. look it up. otherwise get outta town, come back to me when you can learn to move stuff with your mind and talk to me telepathically. Then we'll talk. pfft. also this is no longer suicide that you are speaking of, the transmutation of one's cells back into light is no suicide it is a hard work to respond to every situation with love. Wanderers did not come back here to self serve and go into a cave to meditate and work on the self. No they came to help others not themselves.

you've done all you can to help yourself, and we're here to help all that is, all of creation, if you look at it that way, it's literally this planet's population. it's not about getting light body at all, it's about helping everyone else get there.

[Glow]

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I do agree the Ra quote is what is true in most circumstances, because usually someone kill themselves out of being torn emotionally. Yet, if done with calm heart and mind, then I disagree that it necessarily mean to damage your soul and can simply be a way to move on from this place.

This is a somewhat rarer case but it is said ascended masters choose the moment of their death and this is exactly what I intend to do, although I don't intend to end my beingness here through a physical mean but through spiritual awareness that I never was truly bound here. Which basicly, remains a form of suicide as it implies conscious dissolution of the mind/body/spirit complex.

Btw, natural death can also contains many regrets and create a need to renew a 3D experience, so like I said relativity. Acceptance seek to accept how another is, rejection seek to change them to your own views.

done with calm mind and heart? seriously? you are left brain. I think you are too much light not enough love. done at the place of your choosing, yea okay then i'd like to see you try practicing the only study that has produced people who have documented evidence of going into light body in the past 100 years. dzogchen buddhism. look it up. otherwise get outta town, come back to me when you can learn to move stuff with your mind and talk to me telepathically. Then we'll talk. pfft. also this is no longer suicide that you are speaking of, the transmutation of one's cells back into light is no suicide it is a hard work to respond to every situation with love. Wanderers did not come back here to self serve and go into a cave to meditate and work on the self. No they came to help others not themselves.

you've done all you can to help yourself, and we're here to help all that is, all of creation, if you look at it that way, it's literally this planet's population. it's not about getting light body at all, it's about helping everyone else get there.

Are we speaking to prove knowledge or share love and compassion? I do not think right now Kaaron needs to feel chided or lectured. Perhaps another thread.

I know you know Ra stuff but sometimes it's not about dogma(which is also an illusion) it's about what is in your heart. Love,

[Nía]

Just to make sure: Kaaron, are you okay?

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[Zach]

Hey Kaaron, Hope your feeling a little better today. I'm not a stranger to these types of thoughts. Its something many can relate to. This isn't really uplifting- but from my perspective, any day that passed where you didn't commit suicide is better than a day where you did. From this Earthly perspective it can seem like such a valid choice. Like its going to relieve our suffering, or fix things around us. I however believe in many cases in only intensifies the suffering...and is deeply regretted. Not trying to "scare" you, but this is what I feel. This is what I've told myself. I actually believe that the regret often happens immediately upon completing the act, when the person realizes they are still present, only now, there is absolutely no going back. To me this is a deeply saddening realization. Realizing you are still you, nothing is actually fixed, only now, you cannot re-enter your body to fix things. This lack of forgiveness also can delay the natural processes of death that follow the event. So although its not the most uplifting thing to hear. Having dealt with those thoughts in my life, its what I have remembered and told myself.

Much love to you

Live life a breath at a time.

[SeekOne]

Hi Kaaron,

I am without many words. I can say that I attempted suicide which gave rise to a NDE wherein I experienced ''first hand'' that the end result of such choice equates to even greater ''suffering''.

If you want to talk, send me a PM.

[isis]

the end result of such choice equates to even greater ''suffering''.

i doubt that's the case for everyone

[Kaaron]

I'm ok.
I find it hard to process blatz' comment so I just feel it is better to say nothing.

[Glow]

I'm ok.
I find it hard to process blatz' comment so I just feel it is better to say nothing.

Yeah. ((Hug)) gotta remember not everyone can put themself in everyone else's shoes.... Ok I'd say almost no one can put themselves in EVERYONES shoes. So we all sometimes say the wrong thing. I'm very sure a part of him meant to be helpful. We all have our own demons/distortions and they don't all play nice together.

I'd say personally the truth is likely in the middle, would one be punished for hitting the suicide button, probably not, would a party be thrown, nah probably not. Like most reasonable beings I'm sure it would be met with compassion, love, and guidance to hopefully help you get better results next time.

No garuntees of course if your higher self is a masochist like mine you might come back sure as heck the exact same scenario could be beat,... This time with one hand.

Just stay with us, and keep working, with the 3 shamans you arranged for this trip I'm sure it won't be easy but it's important enough you arranged for help to come with you. I bet they offered.

Glad you are still posting. Keep talking. We can all learn a lot from each other.
Thank you for letting us(me)us know you are ok.

[SeekOne]

the end result of such choice equates to even greater ''suffering''.

i doubt that's the case for everyone

I doubt that many things are the case for anyone. I was only speaking from my experience. Through the investigation of the understanding of bardo's, my personal experience was brought to further light. Lower astral planes are another correlate. I would actually go on to speculate that if significant research went into people's "suicide survival" stories, we may see similarity in the commonalities shared amongst NDE experiences. One must take into consideration the emotional turmoil one is generally experiencing from which these experiences spring. Does it vanish?

Kaaron, glad you're feeling better. I find that taking some time in each day to extend gratitude to all aspects of oneself to be of great value. In my experience, what has helped me a great deal, was saying thank you to the parts of myself that needed it the most (the "dark" parts). Desiring direct communion with whatever one understands as being ones creative source may also be of value.

One once told me... Imagine exiting this reality and your soul group being like... dude, wtf ? Didn't you have work/play yet to do?

[un1ty]

"If you're going through hell, keep going."

- -Winston Churchill

[Minyatur]

the end result of such choice equates to even greater ''suffering''.

i doubt that's the case for everyone

One must take into consideration the emotional turmoil one is generally experiencing from which these experiences spring. Does it vanish?

I'd say "bingo" at this.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

people who commit suicide in the afterlife regret it because they incarnated into the life they wanted which always pertains to specific spiritual lessons they assign to themselves to learn. after commiting suicide they start to remember their soul honored promises and always regret suicide.

Most of the time souls that commit suicide are not allowed to pick the next life, and the elder council picks that life for them. That means you don't get to pick your sex, your astrology, the major points of whom you interact with and meet during your life and the challenges you are there to overcome as well as the lessons you picked for yourself to learn.

You can refute what I'm saying all you want, I studied the Law of One front to back, and did years of comparative study.

In hopes that you come back and read this one day.

For someone so 'learned' in the Law of One, you perform it as well as a drunken clown at a funeral.

Please, for all of your smarts you sure are stupid, I'm glad you have left, you obviously needed the time away.

Here's a reality check for you my foolish addict, you don't know what you're talking about, you just think you do.  Because you think too much, and care too little.

Kaaron, I'd ignore blatz's remarks, he's talking about himself and he doesn't even know it... (as do I, think too much, care too little, applies to me too...  I'm not aware of it often myself.)

Free Will is absolute, worry not about your future, its happening right now

[Minyatur]

If you read his words from his perspective, he genuinely was caring.

[Majana Silvo]

I was face to face with suicide, but for me it was a will to end the suffering. I suffered a lot, but all that suffering was because of misunderstanding and ignorance (which I did not knew right then). And I wanted to die, to get rid of the suffering. But I learnt that suicide is not a way to solve problems. It was running away and ignoring the problems, because I did not want and dare to face them. I learnt that I had to face my suffering or better the cause of the suffering in order to solve the problems and the suffering.

Not sure how it is for others, I can only share what I experienced. So I wish to share a small point of view :

For me, suicice would have been a means to escape my problems, it was like not being responsible for my own acts, blaming others or the world for all the "evil" that seems to be in it and in my life as well. Others were responsible for my suffering, I uncorrectly thought for many years. So I could not change that. I felt a victim of all that evil (which was also incorrect, I had this evil too inside of me, but did not dare to face that and recognize the "evil in me". Since we all are made up of good and bad, or better positive and negative).

With suicide I would certainly have to go through all the problems again (karma?), because the problems are a lesson and lessons (problems) exist to teach me. And running away from a lesson will not do me any good and will not help me to learn (but I could choose not to learn of course, and stay a victim, I have a free will to choose, but I must face my problems one day or another....in the end all will come back to me and I was tired of being a victim).

So now I know that I must face my problems, learn the lessons, take the responsibility.

Only then I can graduate the school of life, by living it and be responsible for my life, for how I behave and what the causes are of my behavior. And choose which behavior I put into practice. I must be reponsible for my own happiness and not blaming others and the world for the sadness I felt.

But this was my choice : to one day graduate. And in order to graduate I must learn.....but each is free to choose.
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[hounsic]

Thanks for sharing!

[Majana Silvo]

I know I was put here to change the world but all I seem to be doing is destroying the lives of those I care about the most.

Maybe you could try to change your world first?

Change you, your mind, your thoughts, your mood and your way of seeing things and your behavior, and the world around you will change as well.

If you manage to change yourself and your little world, it will influence the world at large. So if you still have a tiny bit of wish to change the world into a better one, start with yourself. Try to be a little bit kinder to yourself. Search for the love you carry within and not focus too much on getting or finding that love outside of you. All the love you need and want is inside you, for free.
You matter. We are all part of the ONE, and we all matter and we all have our little place and role inbetween it all. We only need to find out what our place and role is and then do what we came here for and what we want to do. Better focus on that than on the negative things. If you focus on negative things you will attract more negative things. That will not help you. You will get stuck into a cycle going into the dark, I hope that is not what you wish for....

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

If you read his words from his perspective, he genuinely was caring.

Having had personal confrontations with blatz before, I strongly feel he is just trying to be right and is using every little avenue to validate his knowledge.  If you disagree with him, you're 'sts' and 'don't know what you're talking about'.

I think its only fair his demeanor be met with the same resistance he created against himself with his own actions.  People like him, they don't care.  Except about themselves.

Just my uh, experience from my short time being his 'friend'.  You offer your view of something that contrasts his, you're manipulative.  You don't flirt back with him if you're a girl, you're negative polarity.

Disagree Min, if blatz would like to change my opinions by not being those ways, then I welcome that with open arms as he seemed like an ok guy, until he flipped all his s*** at me for simply not agreeing with him.

Real caring, a proverbial paragon of caring if I ever saw one. . .

[I am Shayne]

Q'uo's got it goin on