Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Asolsutsesvyl]

I don't actually want an answer or further debate, just self reflection.

Here's some points more in response to the general discussion. This may also make it easier for people to pick out my thoughts from those of a general "side".

Couldn't it be argued that those who feel they need to be jabbed are actually operating out of fear, [...]

Of course. There's literally no type of behavior in which people do something to avoid something they want to avoid that can't be criticized as operating out of fear. And claims about love are usually vague at best, often confusing rather than merely confused.

I don't care for debate in which everything is just reduced to two abstract spiritual labels and a competitive battle of tagging and un-tagging all things is waged, it's always just stupid. Though it can be useful to discuss larger things than how to label this or that little mental object. The natures of mentalities show in various ways, there are potentially real things to discuss.

Yeah, it makes sense that you feel safe on a personal level and so don't have fear for yourself driving choices in this area. (That's separate at least in large part from the side-topic below about subconscious expectations, the way I thought about it.)

Personally, I didn't have a strong concern, and I was a bit torn for a short time between concern about the vaccine and concern about what the virus may bring. Though I've been thinking about a world in which many are going to end up with "long covid", which in large part seems to be some kind of brain damage resulting in disabilities (sometimes stroke-like symptoms), potentially lifelong and sometimes crippling. I don't like the alternative health people who claim to want to help the most sensitive and spiritual sorts, and then their influence leads some of the most vulnerable to end up with stunted lives.

And to claim [experiences of energy, etc.] it's due to a subconscious expectation, we'll that road goes both ways, the fact that it's being projected in only one direction only shows one's bias.

You mentioned one possibility, I mentioned the opposite (and one of the things from my own experience I related it to), that's all.

This may be wildly impopular with "spiritual people" in general, but here goes: I think a large portion of spiritual experiences, and the majority of experiences of "energy" are all about subconscious expectations. That's from considering a few things, including my own personal experience.

Now, every person with strong spiritual experiences may wonder, "maybe he simply doesn't experience much?", or "maybe he simply has a lousy spiritual guidance?" Much like peoples in all kinds of places, times, and (sub)cultures are very sure of their own peculiar spiritual experiences -- which confirm beliefs contrary to those in other times, places, (sub)cultures -- and essentially treat them as uniquely right.

From personal experience, from learning stuff over the years, and my personal experience changing, I can conclude a few things. Mostly, that feeling sure about such experiences is always going to have an uncertain outcome. As a basis for "knowing" anything, it's always shaky ground, and usually shifting sand.

Some years ago, there began a time in which my inner guidance told me one thing, and then when I believed it, I was told the opposite and that I had been fooled, and when I believed it, I was told that I had been fooled again. I was being guided to learn to think a little better.

While I have much to learn to even arrive at a more unified picture of what my overall understanding really is (perhaps because it's very bad, or maybe it's good enough to at least make it possible to see that there's a gap in it), contrast is building, as I learn, with the larger world of believers. Mainly in the form, perhaps, of seeing how the many types of believers of the world are all dead sure of being right while focused on an extremely narrow and exclusive perspective, and the many perspectives of that kind wildly clashing with one another, and patterns repeating across history (contrary to claims of greater consciousness in the present age).

I don't mean to single you out here, as you don't seem a particularly bad case. Every single person seems to need to learn from scratch -- if it's to be done by that person -- to avoid relating to noises (in the broadest metaphorical sense) from the inner world with hubris. That may be part of why humanity keeps living life so messily century after century.