03-12-2021, 02:49 PM
My initial forrray into this thread was not even offering what I was going to do (did not answer the poll), but offered some potentials that were offered to me. I also sought to point out how some were judging those of not acting out of love, which I saw as manipulative and imbalanced. So I tried to offer some counter-balance while trying to remain neutral as possible.
As it went on we all got swept into our own personal philosophies, and sometimes I cannot resist challenging (what I identify as) people's self contradictory viewpoints. The Covid topic in general offers this in spades in everyone and every medium, almost without exception it seems. What was intriguing tho, was discovering what I see as a spiritual mismatch/misappropriation (at some point we mostly all become judgmental on this), a topic that accounts for the majority of pages here I think. It's very interesting to see all the different lenses.
But the real crux here for me is, I am challenging the notion that advocating for others that a permanent medical procedure is not only safe/correct by default (as dictated by 'mainstream' consciousness), but is consequence free in that advocacy, and is the default act of love, and those of countering views are acting in fear and perhaps in the agenda of STS members. The longer I stayed in this fray, the more I lost my neutrality/impartiality, because that was the normalized state of the thread (few remained neutral, it is very difficult over time because impartiality runs out of ideas to express). I view this debate mostly for the benefit of the lurkers, because I know the participants have already galvanized their positions, so having everyone set their cards on the table is more useful for people to gauge where they are coming from. We are all straw men in this discussion, because we chose that by participating. No one is being singled out who hasn't chosen to be so. I frequently drop out of threads when the communication erodes to a detrimental degree, or when I cannot truly offer my full engagement anymore. There is nothing to win here, it's all just to learn if we so choose.
In the end, I'm not concerned with the choices we make for ourselves (only those people make for others). The only 2 people I know who have (allegedly) died from Covid were vaccinated a few weeks prior, despite being in the same lockdown protocols for the past year (actually, more restrictive when they died this winter). (Note, this does not factor into my thinking, that was 'formed' before the vax was even introduced to the public sphere because we knew it was coming). My parents are taking it next week, and I've given them information to make their own choice. However they seem to believe they will be more free after the vax, even though the rules will not change for them, the sea will not part. I am ok with it, and I have my own thoughts that I will hold on to for now. I don't know if I come across as antagonistic, it is not my intent, teaching alternatives is, because I've always known that what we are presented in society is generally an illusion, and I've always been compelled to break that spell. It's in my nature, for better or for worse.
As it went on we all got swept into our own personal philosophies, and sometimes I cannot resist challenging (what I identify as) people's self contradictory viewpoints. The Covid topic in general offers this in spades in everyone and every medium, almost without exception it seems. What was intriguing tho, was discovering what I see as a spiritual mismatch/misappropriation (at some point we mostly all become judgmental on this), a topic that accounts for the majority of pages here I think. It's very interesting to see all the different lenses.
But the real crux here for me is, I am challenging the notion that advocating for others that a permanent medical procedure is not only safe/correct by default (as dictated by 'mainstream' consciousness), but is consequence free in that advocacy, and is the default act of love, and those of countering views are acting in fear and perhaps in the agenda of STS members. The longer I stayed in this fray, the more I lost my neutrality/impartiality, because that was the normalized state of the thread (few remained neutral, it is very difficult over time because impartiality runs out of ideas to express). I view this debate mostly for the benefit of the lurkers, because I know the participants have already galvanized their positions, so having everyone set their cards on the table is more useful for people to gauge where they are coming from. We are all straw men in this discussion, because we chose that by participating. No one is being singled out who hasn't chosen to be so. I frequently drop out of threads when the communication erodes to a detrimental degree, or when I cannot truly offer my full engagement anymore. There is nothing to win here, it's all just to learn if we so choose.
In the end, I'm not concerned with the choices we make for ourselves (only those people make for others). The only 2 people I know who have (allegedly) died from Covid were vaccinated a few weeks prior, despite being in the same lockdown protocols for the past year (actually, more restrictive when they died this winter). (Note, this does not factor into my thinking, that was 'formed' before the vax was even introduced to the public sphere because we knew it was coming). My parents are taking it next week, and I've given them information to make their own choice. However they seem to believe they will be more free after the vax, even though the rules will not change for them, the sea will not part. I am ok with it, and I have my own thoughts that I will hold on to for now. I don't know if I come across as antagonistic, it is not my intent, teaching alternatives is, because I've always known that what we are presented in society is generally an illusion, and I've always been compelled to break that spell. It's in my nature, for better or for worse.
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