(02-09-2021, 09:49 PM)Minyatur Wrote:(02-09-2021, 08:22 PM)Louisabell Wrote: I do believe that getting the COVID vaccine in order to reduce potentially spreading the disease to more vulnerable people is a STO act. Choosing not to take the vaccine doesn't mean you're not a STO person in general, but in that specific choice, I don't see how it's STO.
I don't really think it is that simple. How the material seems to define the key toward negative polarization is control of catalyst, while the key toward positive polarization is acceptance of catalyst.
Where I stand in my beliefs, to not take the vaccine is a way to empower faith and personal growth in both myself and others.
It doesnt work like that. You cant just keep bashing your head into something that you or your society have already gone through and learned. Foolishly risking one's life is not catalyst. Its just being foolish. And what ends up with doing that end getting a 'suboptimal' result would be learning of not doing that.
Similar with what Ra says about what to do with a person who is starving:
The correct course of action in the face of a starving person is to feed them.
Not to 'have faith', 'accept catalyst', and the other person also 'accepting catalyst', not even 'being wise' and expecting the person 'help himself/herself'.
There are already a bazillion catalyst which need to be processed in this situation. Those themselves should present a gigantic load of work which would last for years. No need to add to that.
You are not leaving your door open by having faith in whatever happens, you are not going home without buying groceries by trusting and having faith, you are not driving without heeding road signs by choosing to have faith.
Absolutely the same situation.
(02-09-2021, 11:36 PM)Spaced Wrote: Is getting vaccinated a case of acting without any self-interest though? You'd be getting the vaccine so you yourself would not get sick (or at least would not suffer the worst of the effects). It's not like taking a bullet for someone
If the person is predominantly thinking of others while taking the vaccine, that's positive polarization. If s/he is thinking only about himself or herself, that's just being cautious. No particular polarization could be examined. If the person is thinking of both himself/herself and everyone else, that's wisdom.
(02-10-2021, 11:10 AM)Minyatur Wrote: Feeding the mind/body/spirit complex when it starves is acceptance of the catalyst of hunger.
But getting vaccinated when facing an illness is rejection of the catalyst of illness.
(02-11-2021, 01:22 AM)zedro Wrote:(02-11-2021, 01:09 AM)Spaced Wrote: On a metaphysical level see this as a global catalyst that is testing to see if we can work together on a global level to overcome an obstacle rather than retreating into self-centered concerns about individual rights.That is a narrative framing device that is not necessarily true, but rather a projection of a belief on what you perceive to be reality. In fact that type of narrative ironically is what causes separation. Namely, that either those who don't follow your beliefs are either selfish or delusional, or both.
Risking other people's lives for one's own desires is selfishness. There are no two ways about that, and there is no 'framing' it. You are the one who is doing the framing, in this particular case, and thats literal projection.
Quote:The 4th density isn't about unity, it's about harmony.
4d harmony is not something in which entire society accommodates the selfish notions of a group of individuals and collectively chooses to have millions die among them.
No entity who would consciously risk killing other people would get harvested to positive 4.
Positive path is about others. Not about 'belief' leave aside self.
(02-14-2021, 12:14 PM)Glow Wrote: David you do know globally there are lots of different countries making their own vaccines right?
Your theories make no sense outside the USA. Just like the Covid political hoax stuff made no sense because again it’s global so not about the US political system.
The weirdest part of these theories is they always lead back to anti-semitism and blaming them as the elite, yet Israel is doing the most thorough vaccination program.
Indeed - in such conspiracy theories, certain countries like Russia are described to be 'fighting the globalist plan' and are celebrated loudly for 'standing up to them', including the 'population reduction' conspiracy.
However when Russia creates vaccines along with entire rest of the world, that constitutes no contradiction with the 'vaccines are made for population reduction' conspiracy. Russia is both fighting the 'globalists who want to reduce world population through vaccines' while producing their own vaccine at the same time.
Same with China. China is both evil, guilty of all kinds of things, but also part of the 'globalist elite' at the same time even as the very purported 'globalist elites' are openly hostile to China and are its enemies. Two contradictory opinions presented at the same time.
(02-14-2021, 02:25 PM)ScottK Wrote: America has led the world since WW2 because it has historically been the most righteous country in the world (along with having the best lawform) - not perfect, but most righteous.
I normally skip by Scott's posts because they are way too 'far out' for me, but man, this needs quoting as an example.
That's above is literal crusader language.
Literal example of how negative philosophy infects minds and polarizes people to negative.
So, US had a 'right' to 'lead the world' since Ww2 because it is 'righteous'. And that's why 1 million Iraqis died, apparently. And US ended up with their oil and natural resources. Without even coming around to the kids who were bombed with napalm in Vietnam, South American dictators educated in School of Americas who then massacred hundreds of thousands and all that assorted stuff.
That was 'US leading the world'.
There is even 'god' in the mix.
(02-14-2021, 04:57 PM)Diana Wrote: It might be good to remember that no one is in possession of all the facts, information, or truth
It just seems to me that there are two sides.
Only in US, where people need to diffuse conflict and tension by 'finding a middle road' in between people who adhere to actual science which entire rest of the world adheres to, and religious extremists who just deny reality and make up their own.
And some literal far right extremists around the world who repeat that latter group.
(02-14-2021, 07:30 PM)Glow Wrote: Law of confusion.
You people are stretching some concepts in Ra material and spirituality waaaaaay more than their actual meanings.
Law of confusion does not mean a state of muddy delirium in which the entities are allowed or made to deny reality and act irrationally.
Law of confusion merely refers to veil making polarity choices unclear by obscuring subconscious so the entity cannot automatically know which choice it wants to make deep down, and by obscuring the fact that everything is one and connected.
That's what allows polarity choice.
And in another tangent, free will is not "i can do whatever i want and everything is just going to be 'okay' without any consequences because god/higher self/universe will make it so for me'.
Its just being allowed to choose a polarity by obscuring the fact that everything is one, so the entity can have the free will to polarize negatively. Before veil, law of confusion etc, that wasnt possible.
Otherwise nothing protects any entity from the consequences of its actions. What's done is done, and even if the entity forgives itself and everyone else, the polarity results of the act are there to stay.
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I want to distill down all the above into two basic spiritual concepts:
First, for those who can, liberating one's consciousness from societal/cultural window of wherever the person grew up or what s/he got accustomed to and then viewing the perspectives in this thread and the actual topic from an objective angle would help a lot in understanding not only the actual topic here (vaccines) but also help understand how social and cultural conditioning cloud people's perceptions to whatever format that culture has.
To start with, Anti-vaccination is an American thing. Majority of developed world has mandatory vaccination for children for schooling, which basically makes it mandatory, and some even for adults. There arent people who are discussing vaccines, leave aside being 'anti' them in these countries. Leave aside a sizable, mainstream movement. Its literally unimaginable.
Now - and this is very interesting - there are those in such countries who are niche groups, very tiny amount of people, who copy the same narrative that exists in American alt-right sphere and talk against the vaccines. The very interesting part comes from these people tending to be English-speaking foreigners who got into conspiracy theorism through their interest or connections to mainly Angloamerican cultures. Or, through those who copied those narratives and spread them in their own language. People who are Anglophiles, or people who have lived/worked in Anglosphere. The same people also tend to copy other narratives from the same culture - ie, right wing economic policies of 'free market', 'deregulation', 'liberty' and so on.
This tells us that not only the culture which one has been born and raised in would shape one's perception and thinking, but also even any kind of additional influence accepted by the person can do that to great extent as well.
That is a very important lesson for the adept, in not only understanding itself, but also understanding the reality it is living in.
A mind confined by its local, national culture will see existence through that window. A mind that is not confined by even its own planetary culture, will see existence from an infinite window.
Second, a lot of people seem to complicate, stretch and 'obscurantize' spiritual concepts.
There are beliefs, there are interpretations of spiritual concepts to extremes, there are groupings of semi-relevant things into other concepts, there are many complex thoughts, emotions and feelings going on about a bazillion things, all of which are again justified through the same complex web by concluding everything to be par course in an obscurantist manner.
Just like what Ra said about 'your peoples manifesting a complex system of distortions' when it comes to orange ray. That considerably affects yellow ray, ie, societal things and relations.
Spirituality is not that complicated. Leave aside existence.
Have you thought about other people when taking an action, and have you benefited/helped/protected/bettered other people to any degree while taking that action?
Thats positive polarization.
Have you acted selfishly while taking an action, in the end harming or exploiting others for your own sake?
That's negative polarization.
Beliefs, interpretations, rationalizations, justifications, explanations, feelings, appeals to authority, religion, 'god', spirituality, this or that - nothing changes that basic mechanic.
When you approach the harvester, there is no tally of your thoughts/feelings/justifications/rationalizations in your current life or your past lives, there are no questions posed to you, there are no explanations from your side, there is no accounting/calculation of all those complexities which you use to complicate things in your life, to have them have any effect on anything during that process.
You approach the light, and stop where you can go no further.
And that is determined by the distilled polarization that has become ingrained in your spirit as a result of all the actions in your past existence.
The more you thought about other people and the more selfless acts you did to help/serve other people, the more positively polarized is your soul.
The more you thought about yourself and the more you hurt/exploited other people with selfish acts, the more negatively polarized is your soul.
Its that simple.