09-04-2020, 11:56 AM
(09-03-2020, 02:18 PM)Aion Wrote: Hmm, well, may I venture to suggest that you are in fact describing your own suffering here? That is what it seems to me. In the sense that this is what brings you pain to experience.
Pain is an interesting concept. I think that's probably a better place to look for answers in this regard.
This is certainly a part of it, since empathy or compassion is a connection to an other.
I think there is a difference between suffering and pain. I will try to illustrate with an analogy:
If you see a person hit by a car, and this person is lying in the street with a broken leg as a result, and you know this person is suffering physically, it doesn't seem to be devastating to know that. You may feel badly for the person, but there is not that element of "hopeless" suffering in it. The person with the broken leg will be taken to the hospital and eventually it will be better, and the person knows it (in general, I don't speak of someone so mentally handicapped they don't understand this).
If you know a person with terminal cancer, again, you feel badly for that person. You may feel more pity for this person than the one with the broken leg.
But if you see someone who is in a state of hopeless suffering, such as the war vet I mentioned, who is on the street homeless, without food or shelter, without companionship except perhaps a beautiful dog, in real emotional and mental isolation and pain, reviled by people around him—maybe it's just me, but this suffering is harder to witness. And I do get that the man in this scenario may have chosen it. Nonetheless, it is difficult to see and since we are all veiled here, there is no way to know that the man chose it, or that there is anything beyond this life to go on to. This is not to say I think this life is all there is and poof you're gone.
And this is more to the point: when you witness the suffering of a 2d entity, who has no knowledge (presumably) of anything but the now, who has lived an entire life of torture and pain and captivity—what then? There are instances of such inhumane (which I find an interesting word) cruelty to animals the mind boggles at it. In witnessing (or knowing of) something of this nature, there is no element of self-pity, which might occur if you see the person with the broken leg and you imagine how awful it would be if it were you. It is compassion, not because what is done to an other is done to you; but because your heart has opened to all life forms and not just humans in terms of empathy. Most people get this when it comes to their pets, but pets comprise a very small portion of 2D.
(09-03-2020, 02:18 PM)Aion Wrote:Quote:34.6 Questioner: Thank you. Can you give me examples of catalytic action to produce learning under each of the following headings from the last session we had… Can you give me an example of the self unmanifested producing learning catalyst?
Ra: I am Ra. We observed your interest in the catalyst of pain. This experience is most common among your entities. The pain may be of the physical complex. More often it is of the mental and emotional complex. In some few cases the pain is spiritual in complex-nature. This creates a potential for learning. The lessons to be learned vary. Almost always these lessons include patience, tolerance, and the ability for the light touch.
Very often the catalyst for emotional pain, whether it be the death of the physical complex of one other-self which is loved or some other seeming loss, will simply result in the opposite, in a bitterness, an impatience, a souring. This is catalyst which has gone awry. In these cases, then, there will be additional catalyst provided to offer the unmanifested self further opportunities for discovering the self as all-sufficient Creator containing all that there is and full of joy.
SO here is an interesting thought. Are we, as the apparently mighty spiritual entities we are, not capable of "patience, tolerance, and the ability for the light touch"?
Perhaps it's not really the soul that is learning here, but rather it is the soul that is teaching the world of bodies how to behave.
As above, so below.
I don't know about you, but I have no patience at all. (just a joke)
It makes sense that 3rd density beings would push forward in this way—because they can. Any and all things available will be explored I imagine. Not to mention people in general prefer shortcuts, which is something religions provide, and gurus. I have no interest in that. I want to find my own way and I hope to always use wisdom (whatever I have) in doing so. I can't account for my discarnate behavior—if I am a wanderer that already makes me foolhardy.
This applies only to 3rd density. 2D entities apparently only have mind/body complexes.
(09-03-2020, 02:18 PM)Aion Wrote:Quote:83.21 Questioner: When the veiling process originally took place, then, it seems that the Logos must have had a list, you might say, of those [functions] that would become unconscious and those that would remain consciously controlled. I am assuming that if this occurred there was good reason for these divisions. Am I any way correct on this?
Ra: I am Ra. No.
83.22 Questioner: Would you correct me, please?
Ra: I am Ra. There were many experiments whereby various of the functions or distortions of the body complex were veiled and others not. A large number of these experiments resulted in nonviable body complexes or those only marginally viable. For instance, it is not a survival-oriented mechanism for the nerve receptors to blank out unconsciously any distortions towards pain.
83.23 Questioner: Now before the veil the mind could blank out pain. I assume then, that the function of the pain at that time was to signal the body to assume a different configuration so that the source of the pain would leave, but then the pain could be eliminated mentally. Is that correct, and was there another function for pain prior to the veiling?
Ra: I am Ra. Your assumption is correct. The function of pain at that time was as the warning of the fire alarm to those not smelling the smoke.
83.24 Questioner: Then let’s say that an entity at that time burned its hand due to carelessness. It would immediately remove its hand from the burning object and then, in order to not feel the pain any more, would mentally cut the pain off until healing had taken place. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.
83.25 Questioner: We would look at this in our present illusion as the elimination of a certain amount of catalyst that would produce an acceleration in our evolution. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The attitude towards pain varies from mind/body/spirit complex to mind/body/spirit complex. Your verbalization of attitude towards the distortion known as pain is one productive of helpful distortions as regards the process of evolution.
83.26 Questioner: What I was trying to indicate was that the plan of the Logos in veiling the conscious from the unconscious in such a way that the pain could not so easily be controlled would have created a system of catalyst that was not previously usable. Is this generally correct?
Ra: I am Ra. Yes.
So, there's Ra's take on it.
Of course, that's describing specifically physical pain, but it's interesting to note the "pain is eliminated mentally" so I wonder if there is some connection to the mind's inability to eliminate physical pain and mental/emotional pain.
Like if the body was in constant bliss would the mind and emotions be largely joyous?
As someone who lives in chronic pain, I can tell you that moments of genuine physical pain relief bring consciousness altering relaxation of the mind and emotions, until the pain returns.
It is said that trauma is held in the body, maybe there is some key in there.
I take your point on chronic pain. I haven't had it, other than few days of say my neck being out with pinched nerves, but even then it wears you down quickly. I can imagine how much worse it is with something chronic. It seems to me that pain in this case would be a message, as is mentioned in the quote. And if it is a message, then why would it be efficacious to mentally eliminate it before the message was heard and processed? It seems to me it would be more to the point to heal the pain through understanding the message than to cover it up with mental discipline like a medication would do. Just speculating here, and I absolutely do not mean to diminish the challenges of such pain.
I also take your point on the contrast of pain and joy. I don't know if constant bliss would even be known if that's all there was. I can look back on a long period of my life when everything was really good, and at a point you get really used to that. You forget that anything was ever bad. You laugh all the time and float around in a state of happiness for lack of a better word. I don't think this state was created in contrast to something else, but I can't prove that. It is more a state of lack of stress, so that anything you might want to do is uninhibited by blocks of any kind. It is more like, that state is the natural way to be. I could be entirely wrong about this, and would like to hear what anyone else thinks about it.
I come here often to think out loud so to speak. So it may seem like I harp on the same old stuff (I'm sure many are tired of me talking about 2D entities), but it is because like everyone else here I imagine, I am trying to sort out the veiled 3D existence.