06-29-2020, 01:18 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-29-2020, 01:19 AM by StormShadow.)
I think that we are all coming at this discussion from different starting points, which explains some of the disharmony in this post. Therefore, so as not to add any more to the thread I won’t speak to anyone’s post in particular, but will explain my own starting point so people can understand that I’m neither crazy, stupid, nor a Klan member for not hating Trump.
I started out on the Hillary side in 2016. Basically, I thought that Trump was dangerous if put in a position that he was neither experienced in, nor, I believed, mentally fit for. But I hated Hillary as well. She was a career politician, which is probably the meanest epithet you could throw at anybody, to begin with. Second, she was a Clinton, and I felt uneasy at the idea of American dynasties, their connection with intelligence agencies, murders, that sort of thing. Then there was always the fact that she couldn’t stay on her feet for more than ten minutes at a time, it seemed, making her physically unfit, if nothing else, for the office of the presidency. Still, I voted for her, thinking her the lesser of two very foregone evils.
That changed directly after the election. Just before it, I saw the massive increase in anti-Trump rhetoric in the media, and expected it to tone down after the election, seeing as the media had done the same for Bush directly after 9/11 happened and there was all that talk about how it turns out his grandfather helped the Nazis, he was basically asleep at the wheel when the planes hit the towers, etc etc. The news kept repeating this idea in response: Even if you don’t respect the president, you must respect the office of the president.
Not in this case. It just kept getting more and more vicious, and after a while, they stopped any pretense at fact-checking. That was when I got really suspicious, and decided to heed Mark Twain, who had been whispering in my ear for some time: “When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reflect.”
And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.
Which meant there is a real fight going on at very high levels, a fight that we have never seen before. The Democrats and Republicans fight, sure, but it’s always been a staged sort of thing, kind of there to reassure us that there are still two distinct parties, not two arms of the same interests, held up to keep us fighting each other instead of targeting those with actual control. This is a real, shirt-off, in-the-mud, biting and eye-gouging-allowed street fight that we’re seeing, and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.
I started out on the Hillary side in 2016. Basically, I thought that Trump was dangerous if put in a position that he was neither experienced in, nor, I believed, mentally fit for. But I hated Hillary as well. She was a career politician, which is probably the meanest epithet you could throw at anybody, to begin with. Second, she was a Clinton, and I felt uneasy at the idea of American dynasties, their connection with intelligence agencies, murders, that sort of thing. Then there was always the fact that she couldn’t stay on her feet for more than ten minutes at a time, it seemed, making her physically unfit, if nothing else, for the office of the presidency. Still, I voted for her, thinking her the lesser of two very foregone evils.
That changed directly after the election. Just before it, I saw the massive increase in anti-Trump rhetoric in the media, and expected it to tone down after the election, seeing as the media had done the same for Bush directly after 9/11 happened and there was all that talk about how it turns out his grandfather helped the Nazis, he was basically asleep at the wheel when the planes hit the towers, etc etc. The news kept repeating this idea in response: Even if you don’t respect the president, you must respect the office of the president.
Not in this case. It just kept getting more and more vicious, and after a while, they stopped any pretense at fact-checking. That was when I got really suspicious, and decided to heed Mark Twain, who had been whispering in my ear for some time: “When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to stop and reflect.”
And I realized: the media wouldn’t be trying so hard to paint him as the ultimate evil if they didn’t really want him out, and for more immediate reasons (to them) than most of us wanted him out for.
Which meant there is a real fight going on at very high levels, a fight that we have never seen before. The Democrats and Republicans fight, sure, but it’s always been a staged sort of thing, kind of there to reassure us that there are still two distinct parties, not two arms of the same interests, held up to keep us fighting each other instead of targeting those with actual control. This is a real, shirt-off, in-the-mud, biting and eye-gouging-allowed street fight that we’re seeing, and to be honest, if it’s Trump versus the career politicians, the corrupt intelligence agencies, and the controlled media — well, damn. I guess I’m rooting for Trump.