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    Thread: How otherselves view positivity


    Cainite Away

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    #1
    02-15-2017, 02:27 PM (This post was last modified: 02-15-2017, 02:28 PM by Cainite.)
    Greetings fellow seekers

    You may have noticed this too.
    People think those who have progressed further on the STO path are either naive or weak.
    They think everything about us is boring, our attitude is uncool.. or that we can't stand up for ourselves or fight back (fighting negativity with negativity that is).

    My friends say they want the old me back (The uncaring, cold, psycho, more fun me).
    They don't like the recent consciously positive me.
    They see my intense compassion for children and animals as feminine.

    Is this something we should just accept? or am I doing sth wrong here?
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    #2
    02-15-2017, 02:37 PM
    I don't think you're doing anything wrong.


    Quote:80.10 Questioner: Now, the fifteenth archetype, which is the Matrix of the Spirit, has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?

    Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.

    It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

    80.11 Questioner: Could I say, then, that implicit in the process of becoming adept is the possible partial polarization towards service to self because simply the adept becomes disassociated with many of his kind or like in the particular density which he inhabits?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is likely to occur. The apparent happening is disassociation whether the truth is service to self and thus true disassociation from other-selves or service to others and thus true association with the heart of all other-selves and disassociation only from the illusory husks which prevent the adept from correctly perceiving the self and other-self as one.

    80.12 Questioner: Then you say that this effect of disassociation on the service-to-others adept is a stumbling block or slowing process in reaching that goal which he aspires to? Is this correct?

    Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. This disassociation from the miasma of illusion and misrepresentation of each and every distortion is a quite necessary portion of an adept’s path. It may be seen by others to be unfortunate.
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    02-15-2017, 04:31 PM (This post was last modified: 02-15-2017, 04:31 PM by Coordinate_Apotheosis.)
    Literally this, I'd recommend listening to Jade on this matter.  She knows what she's talking about.

    I never understood why feminine traits in a man are considered unattractive or bad. Though to be fair, I'm fairly feminine overall myself so...
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    02-16-2017, 12:59 PM
    Thanks, Van. Smile I'm certainly not perfect, I just got them Ra quotes on C+P. Tongue

    It's a symptom of our society, sadly. For millennia, women were forced to repress their divine masculine and men were forced to repress their divine feminine. In the past century, women have been able to reclaim some of their masculinity. Men are still struggling with the same "revolution". To all my girly men out there, keep fighting the good fight! Grow that hair long, cry, be physically dainty, and do whatever else you can to snub the generic idea of "masculinity" that explicitly lacks femininity.
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    #5
    02-16-2017, 01:25 PM
    I've only just started reading it (finally), but the latest Q'uo channelling seems to be falling into a related category:

    Quote:Group question: Several of us in the group are struggling with the world which seems to judge or reject us so often, whether it’s about our past, our choices, our spiritual beliefs, or some other aspect of our lives. We feel comfortable with ourselves in those things, but feel uncomfortable or hurt when met with judgement or rejection from others. It can also lead to feelings of isolation and loneliness. How can we relate to this catalyst of discomfort or hurt feelings? How can we find a place of comfort within ourselves which can withstand pressures from society, and how can we cope with feelings of isolation brought by our choices, beliefs, or experiences?

    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0121.aspx

    -`ღ´-

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    02-16-2017, 01:28 PM
    I think it is something like weightlessness. If you feel weighed down by your sense of self then it probably isn't your most positive sense of self. I am someone who often feels 'heavy' in myself and when I do have breakthroughs of positivity it's like breaking through the surface of water to breath fresh air.

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    02-16-2017, 01:48 PM
    Quo Wrote:So, when you find yourself in a situation in which you are opposed by those who disagree with your point of view and judge you for it, we would suggest first that you look at the situation as we see it: you have begun to see clearly the nature of reality. You have found yourself in relationship with another who has not; you have been blessed and the other would rather curse you, shall we say, and yet, it is their own state of ignorance and sleepfulness that keeps them shackled to a restricted point of view. If you can begin to color your relationship with such entities with the color of compassion, to begin first to see that it is not so much you with which they disagree, it is that which you propose or propound; that which you expose them to: a dimly felt experience of love, of light, of unity which begins to shake their perception of reality. It causes them to fear they shall fall from the shaky craft that floats upon the sea of consciousness and drown in the waters of this so-called “unconditional love and unity” of which you speak. Thus, they feel greatly threatened for their very lives, for their thoughts, for their feelings, for their present, for their future, for all that they hold dear.
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    02-16-2017, 03:24 PM (This post was last modified: 02-16-2017, 03:26 PM by Nía.)
    From the same session:

    Quo Wrote:Now, we have said before, the first step in separation is always the separation of self from itself, and it is only when the self finds itself separated from itself that it is truly vulnerable to the experience of separating that comes upon it from another. The moral to that story is simply this: When you feel the sting of the judgment of another—the other having separated itself from you, and generally placed itself above you in the order of value—when you feel this sting, if sting it does do, it is only because there is already the opening or aperture to the sting carried in your being.

    Now, that is an easy principle to enunciate to be sure, but we will say that every incarnate individual in third density—whether or not they are natively of third density or whether perhaps they are a wanderer come into third density for purposes of service—every third-density being, we say, is full of these little self-separations that give the opportunity for judgment to create within the individual person a disharmony of voices, a cacophony of voices, a chaos of inward voices, some of which are condemnatory, some of which seek by way of an attempt at self-survival to justify the little wayward self one feels oneself to be.

    And so, this experience of incarnate life upon the third-density plane, my friends, is bound to be one in which you begin by being moved off your center. It is bound to be one which you begin by finding yourself displaced, lost, and in need of healing.

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    02-21-2017, 12:13 PM
    Hi Cainite (and others),

    you might find some comfort in the latest Q'uo session, which was about polarity, feminine and masculine principles, gender and equality:

    http://www.llresearch.org/transcripts/is..._0204.aspx

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    02-21-2017, 01:32 PM
    It can be challenging to not be "as the herd" is. And sometimes friends diverge down different paths. Deep connections remain in place though, no matter how much anyone changes. I think it's more difficult for men, at least the men I know who are out of the societal box. The bottom line is: would you want to go back to your "old self."

    There is no easy answer, except to persevere with your own path, and accept the paths of others. I just try to act with kindness, and try not to need anything.
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    02-22-2017, 06:35 PM (This post was last modified: 02-24-2017, 04:34 AM by Raz.)
    "I never understood why feminine traits in a man are considered unattractive or bad."

    between me and my girlfriend (after 7 days of being an official couple) just a little earlier tonight, over a skype video call, I told her I had to reveal something about my self, (in a serious joke tone) "I am a lesbian woman in a mans body, I hope this wont be to much of an issue". Her response was; "Well that´s no problem, I am a homosexual man in a womens body" and we had a good laugh Tongue
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    02-23-2017, 03:54 AM
    Over the years i found that relationships are carefully balanced energysystems.
    when you change the Energy of one part, either the other Parts have to change, too, or the relationships will not Last for much longer.

    in your case, when you become more conscious and the feminine side awakens, the challenged for your friends is:
    they no longer can be so "superficial" in your presence. this would mean, they arme for ed to Look at things they formerly ignored (in themselves for example). they might not be willing or even capable of doing so.
    also, when your "feminine" side awakens (but maybe only your "Image" of masculine changed; the masculine is also warm, compassionate and caring, it's just the distorted masculine that isnt) yourfriends are being confronted with more Emotion and compassion. this will also make their emotions and compassion arise, which would mean, First thing they encounter are the reasons why they blocked it out in the First place.

    I experienced this quite a few times on my path. relationships would change, friendships would dissolve, Job would suddenly become unbearable.
    Many times People around took the opportunity and also changed. And sometimes Friends would dissappear and new friendships would appear.

    this is by the way a major unconscious obstacle on the spiritual path.
    Related persons unconsciously try to keep you in the "Same place" evolutionwise and we have the Same fear deep down. The fear, that the relationship might dissolve when one Part makes a Major step in evolution.

    In the end it is always perfect, looking back, all the changes in relationships were to the best of all!
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