When a wanderer fails to remember and has to repeat third density

[Jeremy]

Anyone know if Ra or subsequent channeled entities have mention what happens once the wanderer repeats third density? If they go through the 75,000 year cycle or even 25,000 year mid cycle harvest and become harvestable,  do they then graduate back to their original home density or do they have to repeat all the densities again?

[Jade]

I think if a *wanderer* repeats third density after been swept up in the maelstrom as Ra says, that they probably don't have to wait through a whole cycle to harvest. I would think a Wanderer could harvest at any time, and if they do get karmically involved it probably isn't to the level where they have to repeat the whole cycle. I think a 4th/6th density entity would be able to "correct" itself outside of the confines of strict cycles of time. I think the 25,000 x3 cycles are for native 3D entities.

This is what Ra says about the Elder Race, who reached 4D vibrations but stayed in 3d:

14.16 Questioner: There was no harvest? What about 25,000 years ago? Was there a harvest then?

Ra: I am Ra. A harvesting began taking place in the latter portion, as you measure time/space, of the second cycle, with individuals finding the gateway to intelligent infinity. The harvest of that time, though extremely small, were those entities of extreme distortion towards service to the entities which now were to repeat the major cycle. These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity.

It sounds like any entity can harvest itself once it opens the gateway to intelligent infinity. I think the clock striking the hour for the harvest cycles is more to draw in wanderers to incarnate to help increase the planetary vibration - and it would probably have to be an extreme circumstance for a wanderer to get sucked in for 25k-75k more years.

[native]

Whether or not there is wandering into fourth density, it sounds like Ra will be involved somehow on up through densities regardless.

"80.5 Purity does not end with the harvest of third density. The fidelity of Ra towards the attempt to remove distortions is total. This constitutes an acceptance of responsibility for service to others which is of relative purity."

But I do believe they did state that if a wanderer has to repeat third density, after completing a cycle they return to their home density.

[Minyatur]

I think in term of repolarizing the entity moves on to the next density of that polarity.

Like the example in which 2 positives entities came to Ra's planet to help with the positive harvest and ended up harvesting negatively. They had to work it out in 4D negative.

[ree]

2 wanderers who found themselves graduating to 4D Neg... oops, can happen. Session 89

[Zach]

2 Rhetorical Questions:

1. What is your pre-incarnative agreement?

2. Did you fulfill the agreement?

[Minyatur]

2 Rhetorical Questions:

1. What is your pre-incarnative agreement?

2. Did you fulfill the agreement?

We can have many pre-incarnative agreements inbetween us and other-selves.

[Plenum]

Anyone know if Ra or subsequent channeled entities have mention what happens once the wanderer repeats third density? If they go through the 75,000 year cycle or even 25,000 year mid cycle harvest and become harvestable,  do they then graduate back to their original home density or do they have to repeat all the densities again?

my feeling is that if one does develop that mysterious condition called "karma" by being deliberately and knowingly unloving, then that becomes a 'tie' or a bond to some aspect of this density.

I honestly don't know how much karma it would take to rope one back here, and prevent one from moving on, once the mission had been executed.

'Consciously unloving' would be doing knowing harm.  That is, you know that what you are going to say or do is going to hurt/injure the other person, and you do it anyway.  Poisoning a relative to gain their fortune would be consciously unloving.  Tripping a person with your foot when you know they are going to fall would be consciously unloving.  Beating someone to get them to comply to your wishes would be consciously unloving.

12.29 Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved? Could you give us an example?

Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.

But karma can be alleviated at any time.  It just takes a conscious recognition of what was done, and the swallowing of pride and ego to admit that one was wrong.

34.5 Questioner: If an entity develops what is called a karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalyst that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.

The point about commiting to 'never again make that error' is a deep one.  It shows a true understanding, and not just a temporary apology to just smooth things over temporarily.  It is a soul-level understanding that what was harmful was truly hurtful to oneself, let alone the other-self.  The deepest level of forgiveness and karmic alleviation involves the understanding that what you did to the other person, you effectively did to yourself, and you hurt yourself to an equal degree to the other self.  Physically, and outwardly, that might seem like a nonsensical position to argue.  Hey, mentally and emotionally, you may hurt, but if you physically damaged another person, how can you honestly say you felt it as much as the other-self?  But believe me, the remorse that comes with true forgiveness hits you like a cement block when you fully comprehend the nature of the karmic action/words.

To answer your queston Jeremy, I thnk all that needs to be done if one accumulates 3d karma as a Wanderer that is enough to tie you here, is to untie that karmic knot.  Then you are free to return back home.  You don't need to repeat the other stuff, because that has already been experienced and learnt.

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the other point possibly relevant to this discussion is that Ra mentioned that some Wanderers would choose an 'armor of light' over their spirit complex, so that they would be less subject to negative/Orion influence.  

" There is just as much chance of such influence to a Wanderer entity as to a mind/body/spirit complex of this planetary sphere. The only difference occurs in the spirit complex which, if it wishes, has an armor of light, if you will, which enables it to recognize more clearly that which is not as it would appropriately be desired by the mind/body/spirit complex. This is not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding."

I don't know if this would prevent the action of karma.  I think everyone is prone to negative thoughts/actions that have the potential to be karmic.

This 'armoring' would be more about preventing/blocking external tampering by neggies.

If I can make a personal confession, I think I might have this kind of armoring.  I have been subject to a vast amount of negative influence/attitudes from our physical 3d society, but I can't for the life of me recall negative entities messing with me.  Not in the way that others have reported.  There may have been the one incident - but that was very fleeting, and there was some aspect of invitation in the way my mind was turned at the time.  But apart from that; no manipulated dreams, no sense that there are external thoughts being 'injected' or stimulated by a malevolent source.  I consider myself quite blessed to have travelled so far, and yet not be messed with by neggies.  

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the above quote could also be interpreted as meaning that such an individual with an armor of light would somehow recognise things that are counter to it's deepest desires of polarity, and not act on those things.  Sort of like a warning light when possible karmic action was in play.

[Zach]

Anyone know if Ra or subsequent channeled entities have mention what happens once the wanderer repeats third density? If they go through the 75,000 year cycle or even 25,000 year mid cycle harvest and become harvestable,  do they then graduate back to their original home density or do they have to repeat all the densities again?

my feeling is that if one does develop that mysterious condition called "karma" by being deliberately and knowingly unloving, then that becomes a 'tie' or a bond to some aspect of this density.

I honestly don't know how much karma it would take to rope one back here, and prevent one from moving on, once the mission had been executed.

'Consciously unloving' would be doing knowing harm.  That is, you know that what you are going to say or do is going to hurt/injure the other person, and you do it anyway.  Poisoning a relative to gain their fortune would be consciously unloving.  Tripping a person with your foot when you know they are going to fall would be consciously unloving.  Beating someone to get them to comply to your wishes would be consciously unloving.

12.29 Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved? Could you give us an example?

Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.

But karma can be alleviated at any time.  It just takes a conscious recognition of what was done, and the swallowing of pride and ego to admit that one was wrong.

34.5 Questioner: If an entity develops what is called a karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalyst that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.

The point about commiting to 'never again make that error' is a deep one.  It shows a true understanding, and not just a temporary apology to just smooth things over temporarily.  It is a soul-level understanding that what was harmful was truly hurtful to oneself, let alone the other-self.  The deepest level of forgiveness and karmic alleviation involves the understanding that what you did to the other person, you effectively did to yourself, and you hurt yourself to an equal degree to the other self.  Physically, and outwardly, that might seem like a nonsensical position to argue.  Hey, mentally and emotionally, you may hurt, but if you physically damaged another person, how can you honestly say you felt it as much as the other-self?  But believe me, the remorse that comes with true forgiveness hits you like a cement block when you fully comprehend the nature of the karmic action/words.

To answer your queston Jeremy, I thnk all that needs to be done if one accumulates 3d karma as a Wanderer that is enough to tie you here, is to untie that karmic knot.  Then you are free to return back home.  You don't need to repeat the other stuff, because that has already been experienced and learnt.

- -

the other point possibly relevant to this discussion is that Ra mentioned that some Wanderers would choose an 'armor of light' over their spirit complex, so that they would be less subject to negative/Orion influence.  

" There is just as much chance of such influence to a Wanderer entity as to a mind/body/spirit complex of this planetary sphere. The only difference occurs in the spirit complex which, if it wishes, has an armor of light, if you will, which enables it to recognize more clearly that which is not as it would appropriately be desired by the mind/body/spirit complex. This is not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding."

I don't know if this would prevent the action of karma.  I think everyone is prone to negative thoughts/actions that have the potential to be karmic.

This 'armoring' would be more about preventing/blocking external tampering by neggies.

If I can make a personal confession, I think I might have this kind of armoring.  I have been subject to a vast amount of negative influence/attitudes from our physical 3d society, but I can't for the life of me recall negative entities messing with me.  Not in the way that others have reported.  There may have been the one incident - but that was very fleeting, and there was some aspect of invitation in the way my mind was turned at the time.  But apart from that; no manipulated dreams, no sense that there are external thoughts being 'injected' or stimulated by a malevolent source.  I consider myself quite blessed to have travelled so far, and yet not be messed with by neggies.  

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the above quote could also be interpreted as meaning that such an individual with an armor of light would somehow recognise things that are counter to it's deepest desires of polarity, and not act on those things.  Sort of like a warning light when possible karmic action was in play.

I love how you call them neggies

I see the armor of light more relating to the individuals 'discernment faculty'; a kind of armor that aids one in discerning their Higher intent from less desirable configurations rather than a full on shielding from negative sources. Basically what you said except I don't believe any force would automatically prevent the entity from acting on less than desirable configurations...only, like you said, give a kind of warning through feeling.

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I think there is a need to balance what Ra says with personal insight specifically on this topic.

Its silly to think you are going to repeat a full 3rd density cycle for getting in a fist fight for example...or something along those lines. We all sign up for different contracts. Some choose to work in 3d for more than one life, some just one life. I think as long as you don't get seriously deterred from your higher intent things will go along the lines of what you signed up for. I recall Ra mentioning the intent of the seeker is what matters most. That can be a tricky subject. All in all, I don't believe being harvestable is always required for a wanderer to return to its "home density" after an incarnation.

Heres one way I see it:

You are already, as a wanderer, 4th, 5th or 6th density. You already did the work to get to that point, you wander because you want to serve those planets experiencing sorrow and you see opportunity for self growth. So falling out of balance to the point of repeating a cycle- consider the internal reality that would have to exist for that to happen.

[Namaste]

Wanderers fall under all 3D 'rules', because they incarnate as 3D entities.

Less than 51% STO? Repeat the cycle and wait for harvest (unless you contact intelligent infinity and decide to leave sooner).

Hence 'the great risk' that Ra states about Wanderers. There would be no risk if it was a single incarnation. The armour of light does not mean you're invulnerable to karma, it means that your instincts will push you in the ways of STO.

Simple :¬)

[Gurulemj]

This is an interesting topic and I think an important one. It is easy to be hard on ourselves when we have such high expectations and acute awareness and still fall short of the mark. Maybe we remember a time/place when things 'felt right' and we sense that things could be better/different than they are, and hold ourselves accountable when we need not and only focus on unconditional love and forgiveness? I feel that there is not a lot if any past life karma I am working through, but quite a lot from this lifetime and from the morphic fields of both side of my family including Catholicism, WWII service, and alcoholism. I constantly worry that through my own mistakes and struggles especially with addiction that I have lost my STO polarization and will not graduate. However, studying the Law of One has helped me to keep a broader perspective and work through the lower chakra blockages, and I have seen changes in my family as well as myself as I forgive and clean Hoponopono style (I love you, I am sorry, please forgive me, thank you...). If we only have to be 51% STO to graduate, then I have faith that if our intention is pure and we are constantly striving in the right direction, then through Grace and the forgiveness of the unconditionally love accessed in the heart, and trust that everything is as it should be because that is how it is, then we will hopefully be just fine and have front row seats for the best show in this part of the galaxy (hopefully within the next two years). I would appreciate any feedback or comments on this insight! Thank you

[Matt1]

Wanderer or not, once we are in 3rd density, we are of 3rd density and have to do the work of an entity of this vibrational complex. The way i see it, we won't be given an easy ticket out just because of a previous higher density incarnation. We have the benefit of remembering here and putting that knowledge to good use.

In my understanding you have only 3 options.

Option 1 is opening the gateway to intelligent infinity through the activation and balancing of the 6 rays, leading into the 7th.

Option 2 The harvest at the end of a 25,000 Year Cycle, logically i assume that if your ready after a period of 25000 you will be able to move on with your learning, however i think many positive entities will likely reincarnate for the reminder of the 50,000 years.

Option 3 Is the reincarnation onto another 3rd density world for more learning until polarity is reached.

Regardless of what option is picked all will likely be really awesome, wonderful new experiences. Its wins all round.

[Minyatur]

Regardless of what option is picked all will likely be really awesome, wonderful new experiences. Its wins all round.

Creation and existence in a nutshell : Infinite epic adventures

[Matt1]

I also believe that unless we make peace and find love in the moment of 3rd density then we will never be ready to move onto another density. I would go as far to say that lusting for an higher incarnation in 4th density could be considered to be fairly distorted and even unhelpful. Logically it would make more sense of the balanced entity to NOT want to leave 3rd density as they have found such love and peace within it, yet still the call brings them to move on in evolution , thus what may seem as folly is growth and that is the archetype of the fool, the choice.

[AnthroHeart]

I think we'll understand it more when the veil is gone. Repeating a full cycle might be seen as favorable. If we repeat 3D it's because we choose to. It's not a punishment.

[Billy]

If I have to repeat 3rd density with an illusion and veil as dense as the current one, I am going to eat my foot or perhaps even my feet.

[Infinite Unity]

Wanderer or not, once we are in 3rd density, we are of 3rd density and have to do the work of an entity of this vibrational complex. The way i see it, we won't be given an easy ticket out just because of a previous higher density incarnation. We have the benefit of remembering here and putting that knowledge to good use.

In my understanding you have only 3 options.

Option 1 is opening the gateway to intelligent infinity through the activation and balancing of the 6 rays, leading into the 7th.

Option 2 The harvest at the end of a 25,000 Year Cycle, logically i assume that if your ready after a period of 25000 you will be able to move on with your learning, however i think many positive entities will likely reincarnate for the reminder of the 50,000 years.

Option 3 Is the reincarnation onto another 3rd density world for more learning until polarity is reached.

Regardless of what option is picked all will likely be really awesome, wonderful new experiences. Its wins all round.

I agree here, I don't think a wanderer would take an easy ticket. As a wanderer coming here there would be great differentials in the degrees in which the wanderer could basically choose is own experience. In my honest opinion a lot of wanderers will be leading hard incarnations/experiences. Especially at a time such as harvest. The reason for this logically would be more catalyst equals more growth. In my honest view this is true, however to an Infinite being what counting is there? Did you not just see someone who needed help lifting his weight? did you not see this world slipping to darkness and come rushing in? My point is, the infinite subtle expression of the creator is not defined by calculating gains or losses. It is uncalculatable. It is an unity connected/sustained through Love. It is. I am. We Our.

[Infinite Unity]

Love is driven my free will, free will by desire. a desire to what? Love?

[AnthroHeart]

Love is driven my free will, free will by desire. a desire to what? Love?

I don't think free will is driven. It just is.

[Infinite Unity]

lol driven is semantics, Free will and desire are actually one and the same.

[Minyatur]

Love is driven my free will, free will by desire. a desire to what? Love?

To know ourselves as per the first distortion of Free Will.

[AnthroHeart]

Here's what Guy Needler has to say about karma.




According to him there are so many ways to accumulate karma. But he doesn't really give a way to clear it.

[Infinite Unity]

Its a game you designed, you like challenges look around. You designed it to be hard and fun. Love is worth the long trek back.

[Nicholas]

Here's what Guy Needler has to say about karma.




According to him there are so many ways to accumulate karma. But he doesn't really give a way to clear it.

Gemini, imagine the most ferocious moment you have ever felt in your life. Really bring that experience back into your mind. 

My last memory for example was learning to work with a 'hot head'. As a bricklayer, I work on a construction site. This person mentioned gets extremely angry at the slightest of mistakes from other workers. He would shout and scream at anyone who 'messed up' in his eyes. His temper at work was winding me up and I grew increasingly angry at his attempt to frighten other workers with his temper. One day he screamed at me and my hatred  for his intimidating ways boiled over. I marched towards him with a raised finger and as I entered his space, I received a head butt. A bit of old fashioned fisty cuffs proceeded and we were eventually separated. 

I still work with this chap and the main reason is this. I forgave myself for getting angry at him. I forgave him for trying to frighten me. I forgave him for attacking me and I forgave myself for retaliating. 

My energy does not resonate with him in any way, yet we can still shake hands and he even tapped me on the shoulder recently, as if to say "thanks for not judging me". 

I have received a lot of love in my working community simply by not judging anyone. That is not to say I no longer get caught up in them! So the mental act of 'non judgement' lies at the heart of staying karma free. By that I mean not getting emotionally entangled in our day to day disagreements. And if we do, knowing we can opt out at any moment is an immensely powerful realisation!