Quote:14.16 Questioner: There was no harvest? What about 25,000 years ago? Was there a harvest then?

Ra: I am Ra. A harvesting began taking place in the latter portion, as you measure time/space, of the second cycle, with individuals finding the gateway to intelligent infinity. The harvest of that time, though extremely small, were those entities of extreme distortion towards service to the entities which now were to repeat the major cycle. These entities, therefore, remained in third density although they could, at any moment/present nexus, leave this density through use of intelligent infinity.

(07-14-2015, 03:45 PM)Viewer Wrote: 2 Rhetorical Questions:

1. What is your pre-incarnative agreement?

2. Did you fulfill the agreement?

(07-14-2015, 09:04 AM)Jeremy Wrote: Anyone know if Ra or subsequent channeled entities have mention what happens once the wanderer repeats third density? If they go through the 75,000 year cycle or even 25,000 year mid cycle harvest and become harvestable,  do they then graduate back to their original home density or do they have to repeat all the densities again?

Quote:12.29 Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved? Could you give us an example?

Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.

Quote:34.5 Questioner: If an entity develops what is called a karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalyst that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.

(07-14-2015, 04:06 PM)Bring4th_Plenum Wrote:

(07-14-2015, 09:04 AM)Jeremy Wrote: Anyone know if Ra or subsequent channeled entities have mention what happens once the wanderer repeats third density? If they go through the 75,000 year cycle or even 25,000 year mid cycle harvest and become harvestable,  do they then graduate back to their original home density or do they have to repeat all the densities again?

my feeling is that if one does develop that mysterious condition called "karma" by being deliberately and knowingly unloving, then that becomes a 'tie' or a bond to some aspect of this density.

I honestly don't know how much karma it would take to rope one back here, and prevent one from moving on, once the mission had been executed.

'Consciously unloving' would be doing knowing harm.  That is, you know that what you are going to say or do is going to hurt/injure the other person, and you do it anyway.  Poisoning a relative to gain their fortune would be consciously unloving.  Tripping a person with your foot when you know they are going to fall would be consciously unloving.  Beating someone to get them to comply to your wishes would be consciously unloving.

Quote:12.29 Questioner: What could one of these entities do to become karmically involved? Could you give us an example?

Ra: I am Ra. An entity which acts in a consciously unloving manner in action with other beings can become karmically involved.

But karma can be alleviated at any time.  It just takes a conscious recognition of what was done, and the swallowing of pride and ego to admit that one was wrong.

Quote:34.5 Questioner: If an entity develops what is called a karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalyst that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.

The point about commiting to 'never again make that error' is a deep one.  It shows a true understanding, and not just a temporary apology to just smooth things over temporarily.  It is a soul-level understanding that what was harmful was truly hurtful to oneself, let alone the other-self.  The deepest level of forgiveness and karmic alleviation involves the understanding that what you did to the other person, you effectively did to yourself, and you hurt yourself to an equal degree to the other self.  Physically, and outwardly, that might seem like a nonsensical position to argue.  Hey, mentally and emotionally, you may hurt, but if you physically damaged another person, how can you honestly say you felt it as much as the other-self?  But believe me, the remorse that comes with true forgiveness hits you like a cement block when you fully comprehend the nature of the karmic action/words.

To answer your queston Jeremy, I thnk all that needs to be done if one accumulates 3d karma as a Wanderer that is enough to tie you here, is to untie that karmic knot.  Then you are free to return back home.  You don't need to repeat the other stuff, because that has already been experienced and learnt.

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the other point possibly relevant to this discussion is that Ra mentioned that some Wanderers would choose an 'armor of light' over their spirit complex, so that they would be less subject to negative/Orion influence.  

" There is just as much chance of such influence to a Wanderer entity as to a mind/body/spirit complex of this planetary sphere. The only difference occurs in the spirit complex which, if it wishes, has an armor of light, if you will, which enables it to recognize more clearly that which is not as it would appropriately be desired by the mind/body/spirit complex. This is not more than a bias and cannot be called an understanding."

I don't know if this would prevent the action of karma.  I think everyone is prone to negative thoughts/actions that have the potential to be karmic.

This 'armoring' would be more about preventing/blocking external tampering by neggies.

If I can make a personal confession, I think I might have this kind of armoring.  I have been subject to a vast amount of negative influence/attitudes from our physical 3d society, but I can't for the life of me recall negative entities messing with me.  Not in the way that others have reported.  There may have been the one incident - but that was very fleeting, and there was some aspect of invitation in the way my mind was turned at the time.  But apart from that; no manipulated dreams, no sense that there are external thoughts being 'injected' or stimulated by a malevolent source.  I consider myself quite blessed to have travelled so far, and yet not be messed with by neggies.  

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the above quote could also be interpreted as meaning that such an individual with an armor of light would somehow recognise things that are counter to it's deepest desires of polarity, and not act on those things.  Sort of like a warning light when possible karmic action was in play.

(07-27-2015, 08:02 AM)Matt1 Wrote: Regardless of what option is picked all will likely be really awesome, wonderful new experiences. Its wins all round.

(07-27-2015, 08:02 AM)Matt1 Wrote: Wanderer or not, once we are in 3rd density, we are of 3rd density and have to do the work of an entity of this vibrational complex. The way i see it, we won't be given an easy ticket out just because of a previous higher density incarnation. We have the benefit of remembering here and putting that knowledge to good use.

In my understanding you have only 3 options.

Option 1 is opening the gateway to intelligent infinity through the activation and balancing of the 6 rays, leading into the 7th.

Option 2 The harvest at the end of a 25,000 Year Cycle, logically i assume that if your ready after a period of 25000 you will be able to move on with your learning, however i think many positive entities will likely reincarnate for the reminder of the 50,000 years.

Option 3 Is the reincarnation onto another 3rd density world for more learning until polarity is reached.

Regardless of what option is picked all will likely be really awesome, wonderful new experiences. Its wins all round.

(08-08-2015, 08:31 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: Love is driven my free will, free will by desire. a desire to what? Love?

(08-08-2015, 08:31 PM)Infinite Unity Wrote: Love is driven my free will, free will by desire. a desire to what? Love?

(08-08-2015, 09:01 PM)IndigoGeminiWolf Wrote: Here's what Guy Needler has to say about karma.




According to him there are so many ways to accumulate karma. But he doesn't really give a way to clear it.