Comparison of the two paths

[Confused]

You could learn that there's nothing to learn.

True, very true.

[Plenum]

What would an STO and STS adept have in common? What do people embarking on the paths have in common?

I will quote something from Session 80 which may shed some light ...

Ra:

It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

this is something that I have experienced in my own life. When an individual starts coming into their own power and purpose (whether STO or STS), the so-called 'sheeple' and unawakened see this as threatening. It is almost as though they recognise the Truth of their own creatorship deep down, but seeing it being expressed in someone else points to the false aspects of their own lives; they don't want to deal with this at the moment lol.

truly ironic that those who become STO adepts pass through a stage where they are regarded by others as 'separate', when what they are seeking is more unity.

[Snowflower]

I fail to understand at the most basic level. This is where my lack of comprehension lies:

The Law of One seems to me to be a gathering of all into one. If one is moving from individual toward oneness, then one is following the Law of One. This seems to flow well with STO, because the one is focused on the whole. But if one is focused on individuality, then one is not focused on oneness, but is focused rather on divisiveness. So, if one is STS, then that one is divisive and not merging toward the oneness that is the foundation of the Law of One.

I completely fail to grasp how a person who is STS is serving the Law of One.

[native]

87.11 "The answer may still not satisfy the questioner. We ask that you pursue it until you are satisfied. The fourth-density negative entity has made the choice available to each at third-density harvest. It is aware of the full array of possible methods of viewing the universe of the One Creator and it is convinced that the ignoring and non-use of the green-ray energy center will be the method most efficient in providing harvestability of fourth density. Its operations among those of third density which have not yet made this choice are designed to offer to each the opportunity to consider the self-serving polarity and its possible attractiveness."

Mostly they enjoy using others, and it's as if it's a game to them. They basically believe others don't know any better, and so it is best that they be manipulated and controlled. In the cosmic scheme of things it is a game. They use oneness as a means of separation by attempting to place all others underneath themselves. It's as if they are using others as extensions of the self for their own benefit. The hierarchical system preserves unity in that others are simply reordered, rather than viewed equally.

[Ankh]

I fail to understand at the most basic level. This is where my lack of comprehension lies:

The Law of One seems to me to be a gathering of all into one. If one is moving from individual toward oneness, then one is following the Law of One. This seems to flow well with STO, because the one is focused on the whole. But if one is focused on individuality, then one is not focused on oneness, but is focused rather on divisiveness. So, if one is STS, then that one is divisive and not merging toward the oneness that is the foundation of the Law of One.

I completely fail to grasp how a person who is STS is serving the Law of One.

Dear Snowflake, Ra said that this density is not of understanding. It means that we don't even understand our own density ourselves. Ra said that it is fourth density beings while learning the lessons of love, are those who are learning to understand this density.

But in regards to your question, Ra said that:

11.31 Questioner: I don’t know if this is a short question or not, so we can save it till next time, but my question is, why do the crusaders from Orion do this? What is their ultimate objective? This is probably too long to answer.

Ra: I am Ra. This is not too long to answer. To serve the self is to serve all. The service of the self, when seen in this perspective, requires an ever-expanding use of the energies of others for manipulation to the benefit of the self with distortion towards power.

Ra also said:

The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve others is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

[Snowflower]

Thank you for your reply, Ankh. I would like to note that my name (and it is actually one of my true names) is Snowflower, not snowflake. Although the connotation of snowflake is not all that negative, dividing it into snow and flake is something I would not choose to be identified with. (lol).

It is clear from your response and the response from Icaro, that what I fail to grasp is the essence of the Law of One.

[Ankh]

My sincere appologies, my sister Snowflower. I did not pay attention! My bad!


The path of service to self, is path which is not so to speak. This path needs and is abandoned in the middle of sixth density, as by that time, all must be seen as the Creator, if one wants to progress further. I also have difficulties to understand why would one choose this path and work hard for it, knowing that it needs to be abandoned after one point. But perhaps some beings feel that this path is more attractive for them, than the path of STO? Anyway, all is seen in the middle of sixth density as one, but until then there is an illusion that one can serve the self only, and see the self as the Creator only, and since the Law of One contains all, it can not exclude anyone.

[Oldern]

Honestly, I might really be in a minority here, but my heart kinda breaks every time I read things as STO and STS.
I have expressed this feeling of mine several times, and I do not really understand as of yet how to prevent this from coming up over and over again in my path at this incarnation.

What I am seeing is that the concept of polarity is really like the poison that is laced into the book of every single holy material out there. You get the Bible. You get the word of Jesus, and you could be so happy for the rest of your life. But no...you have to start judging others, judging who is living "the way of Jesus". If one lives it, all lives it, at the end of the day, be it a however slow process. Then moving on, I am just reading Bhagavad-Gita, and damn, I cringe so much with every single mentioning of "spitting in Krisna's honor if you question that, or do that". Why? Why...right?

And we have Law of One. From the descriptions we get, it should be obvious that a Magnet has + and - as well, and both does essentially the same (attracts which is similar, pushes away which is different) - then STO/STS is kinda comparable to that state. If all is One, then every thing, every tangle and every action taken affects everyone else - and due to our various distortions, even helping someone can deeply and honestly HURT a random observer because he made himself a compex that literally will kill his current incarnation due to stress, cancer, heart attack or something other stress-related disease.

If I meditated instead of every post I write like this, the world might just be a better place.
But then again, if someone recognizes that he used STO/STS as an asset to judge others, thanks to this post, then I might have done something "good". But if I hurt someone, then that is not good. Therefore this post either is everything - good and bad, regardless of intentions -, or is nothing at all.

Therefore: All actions are unpolarized by their nature. It always depends on the reciever if it is percieved as "bad" or "good". Insane, huh?

[Ankh]

In other words, if one wants to serve the self, one is welcome to do that, as each is the Creator, and serving the self is serving the Creator.

[Snowflower]

But, that only works up to the middle of sixth density? After that, in order to serve the Creator, one must be in STO?

[Oldern]

But, that only works up to the middle of sixth density? After that, in order to serve the Creator, one must be in STO?

More like to finally wake up from the illusion that is the fifth density, you leave behind the concept of polarity. My - personal, biased, so I cant back it up by a Ra quote - belief is that when you become aware of the first five densities that are forming ONE possible reality of all the places, you advance further by wishing/wanting to create additional realities and help to guide/oversee them.

At that point, you struggle not against an STS entity or their presence, because every illusion is inherited with the possibility of both "polarities". At that point, you can call them STO, but I would argue that they are everything instead. All the good, all the bad, by simply allowing it to happen to everyone wishing to experience those densities.

[Liet]

"The distortion lies in the effect that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? "
yes, all is one... but some are half. (which is ones state in the 4th density personality)

"I completely fail to grasp how a person who is STS is serving the Law of One."
All energies are exist in equal ammounts.
if it is chosen to reject some of the possible energies on the inside.... those energies will coming about from the outside..
so that reshapes the intended question into "what are the colors red orange and yellow good for?"
Well, getting things started.. making sure things happend.
keeping things from going out of controll... health etz.

[Ankh]

But, that only works up to the middle of sixth density? After that, in order to serve the Creator, one must be in STO?

It works only to sixth density, because sixth density is the density of unity, where all things, and all beings are seen as one. In that understanding, those who have served the self must abandon their path, as it is a path of separation, while in sixth density *all* are seen as the One Infinite Creator. This is easy to accept for those who have been on service to others path, but difficult for those serving the self. However, if they want to continue further seeking/progression, they have to abandon their path. Ra also stated that the seeking in sixth density is without the polarity.

[Diana]

What would an STO and STS adept have in common? What do people embarking on the paths have in common? Chaotikmind said that the STS equivalent of meditation is making the mind as noisy as possible.

I think what they have in common is focus. I think it takes more focus to be STS because one has to ignore others, and that takes more energy, more focus, to keep the knowledge of others at bay.

I disagree with Chaotikmind. The STS adept would be even better at meditation as a sharper and stronger focus would have to be maintained. The heart opens naturally (in response to outer stimuli such as a suffering child or animal), so the STS individual would have to stay focused on his/hers/ one-pointed path. It's easier for the STO individual because the heart opens naturally, and the STO individual can jump into this natural current that the opening of the heart is.

[AnthroHeart]

So sixth density lessons to learn is that everything is one. What about seventh density? Any lessons learned in seventh?

[Ankh]

So sixth density lessons to learn is that everything is one. What about seventh density? Any lessons learned in seventh?

I think that in sixth density there is an honor/responsibility to teach/learn the Law of One, if it makes any difference

The following is about seventh density:

There is past, present, and future in third density. In an overview such as an entity may have, removed from the space/time continuum, it may be seen that in the cycle of completion there exists only the present. We, ourselves, seek to learn this understanding. At the seventh level or dimension, we shall, if our humble efforts are sufficient, become one with all, thus having no memory, no identity, no past or future, but existing in the all.

Questioner: Does this mean that you would have awareness of all that is?

Ra: I am Ra. This is partially correct. It is our understanding that it would not be our awareness, but simply awareness of the Creator. In the Creator is all that there is. Therefore, this knowledge would be available.

[AnthroHeart]

Wow, one has to really let go of fear in order to lose their identity.
I've had experiences where the ego is put aside, and that can be frightening.
But in 7th density, you're so close to Creator already, that probably all you know is love.

[Ankh]

What is an identity? I don't know...

---

I've been thinking about what you've said, Wolf. And in my case it would be memories... To let go of memories... That would be difficult. The bad ones, the good ones. Doesn't matter.

I've talked about it once with a good friend of mine, about 7D. And she said something in the lines with "woaw! It would like a gold fish swiming in the bowl, and not remembering anything, but everything is new." It made me laugh, but I think that since the present now moment is the only "reality" so to speak, and everything else is an illusion, I think that this understanding is what is required for sixth density beings in order to graduate to 7D. (And now I am derailing this thread )

[Diana]

What is an identity? I don't know...

I believe it would be seeing one's self as an individual, with certain aspects, traits, or perceived personality. It is associated with the mind, and thinking. It is a part of self, but not the whole self; and identity would also be transitory as it is part of physical existence and attached to a body.

Identity can also be formed from various unsuitable sources such as playing a role in a dysfunctional family as a child, and continuing to blindly play out that role as an adult. To function in a physical body as an individual, identity can be useful, but it would be best put in perspective as a small part of self, and also cleared of any aspects not serving the higher self, or spirit.

[AnthroHeart]

That's going to be a bit sad if we have to repeat 3D in the next octave.

[Liet]

That's going to be a bit sad if we have to repeat 3D in the next octave.

how so? you wont remember that you've ben there before.....

[Ankh]

I believe it would be seeing one's self as an individual, with certain aspects, traits, or perceived personality. It is associated with the mind, and thinking. It is a part of self, but not the whole self; and identity would also be transitory as it is part of physical existence and attached to a body.

Identity can also be formed from various unsuitable sources such as playing a role in a dysfunctional family as a child, and continuing to blindly play out that role as an adult. To function in a physical body as an individual, identity can be useful, but it would be best put in perspective as a small part of self, and also cleared of any aspects not serving the higher self, or spirit.

Ra teaches that the mind contains all things, and whatever the distortions one experience are there to be understood and then balanced. Especially in 6D I think it applies in high degree. And even being in 3D, if we take your example above, one can come from a dysfunctional family as a child, and then blindly play out that role as an adult, or one can create a most harmonious family, and be a so called "rebel" in that case, or one can end up somewhere in between. I believe that we are very powerful beings, if we put that side on, and can create practically anything of ourselves and our environment. We are microcosm of the intelligent infinity. So I believe that one can think that one has a certain personality, and thus acting from that mindset, but it is not so, in my limited understanding.

That's going to be a bit sad if we have to repeat 3D in the next octave.

Yes, but imagine that 7D beings are capable of stuff like creating Higher Self. Then they move on and graduate to the next density, which merges into 1D of the next octave. Can you imagine the awesomeness of the next octave when their 1D is our 8D?

[zenmaster]

I've had experiences where the ego is put aside, and that can be frightening.

That fear is necessarily from the ego, so it was not put aside.

[Ecz]

I've had experiences where the ego is put aside, and that can be frightening.

Since beginning my study of the Law of One I've tried looking at the idea of "Ego" as an obsolete construct in my mind to see if the balancing of bodily energy centers would be an endeavor to effectively replace my struggle with "Ego." I use the following excerpt as justification:

1.15 Questioner: Am I correct to assume that one of the blockages of the mind/body/spirit complex might be, shall we say, ego, and this could be balanced using a worthiness/unworthiness balance. Am I correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect.
Questioner: Can you tell me how you balance the ego?
Ra: I am Ra. We cannot work with this concept as it is misapplied and understanding cannot come from it.
Questioner: How does an individual go about balancing himself? What is the first step?
Ra: I am Ra. The steps are only one; that is, an understanding of the energy centers which make up the mind/body/spirit complex. This understanding may be briefly summarized as follows. The first balancing is of the Malkuth, or Earth, vibratory energy complex, called the red-ray complex. An understanding and acceptance of this energy is fundamental. The next energy complex, which may be blocked is the emotional, or personal complex, also known as the orange-ray complex. This blockage will often demonstrate itself as personal eccentricities or distortions with regard to self- conscious understanding or acceptance of self.

The third blockage resembles most closely that which you have called ego. It is the yellow-ray or solar plexus center. Blockages in this center will often manifest as distortions toward power manipulation and other social behaviors concerning those close and those associated with the mind/body/spirit complex. Those with blockages in these first three energy centers, or nexi, will have continuing difficulties in ability to further their seeking of the Law of One.

The center of heart, or green-ray, is the center from which third-density beings may springboard, shall we say, to infinite intelligence. Blockages in this area may manifest as difficulties in expressing what you may call universal love or compassion.

The blue-ray center of energy streaming is the center which, for the first time, is outgoing as well as inpouring. Those blocked in this area may have difficulty in grasping the spirit/mind complexes of its own entity and further difficulty in expressing such understandings of self. Entities blocked in this area may have difficulties in accepting communication from other mind/body/spirit complexes.

The next center is the pineal or indigo-ray center. Those blocked in this center may experience a lessening of the influx of intelligent energy due to manifestations which appear as unworthiness. This is that of which you spoke. As you can see, this is but one of many distortions due to the several points of energy influx into the mind/body/spirit complex. The indigo-ray balancing is quite central to the type of work which revolves about the spirit complex, which has its influx then into the transformation or transmutation of third density to fourth density, it being the energy center receiving the least distorted outpourings of love/light from intelligent energy and also the potential for the key to the gateway of intelligent infinity.

The remaining center of energy influx is simply the total expression of the entity’s vibratory complex of mind, body, and spirit. It is as it will be, “balanced” or “imbalanced” has no meaning at this energy level, for it gives and takes in its own balance. Whatever the distortion may be, it cannot be manipulated as can the others and, therefore, has no particular importance in viewing the balancing of an entity.

This is a new idea for me, as I am very new to the Ra Material but so far has provided progress in the way of states attained during meditation. However, these results have been haphazard at best and extremely difficult to gain any consistency with which leaves the possibility of a sort of "Placebo" effect open for me.

Speaking off logic alone, the Ego worked well as an introduction to the balancing of energy centers without me understanding that is what was going on. An allegory of the workings of the self if you will that serves well as an introduction to personal work.

I'll be interested to hear the thoughts of others on this as there are many here with extremely impressive experience and intelligence to draw from

[Aureus]

What is an identity? I don't know...

My thoughts: The infinite Creator is ALL, yet the ALL experiences itself separate. Thus the identity is each point of view in separateness.

Meaning, YOU are infinite. Although your current human experience convinces you that you are but human. Does that make sense?

(Not until you've moved on to the highest point of view can you see the perfect whole created from seemingly imperfect parts.)

Or perhaps the identity is simply BEING. As you climb the densities, and integrate all experience as a part of yourself, you will grow in identity, or quality/quantity of beingness.

Haha exciting question

[Zaxon]

It is not surprising that a STO entity would view a STS social-memory complex as chaotic, given its tendency to disintegrate and reintegrate. However, this perception comes from a misunderstanding of STS entities. While STS entities are capable of forming social-memory complexes, this is not our desired or preferred state of existence. STS entities form social-memory complexes when it is necessary and beneficial to the self to do so. A thing that occurs when there is either existential threat, or to a achieve a mutual objective that cannot be achieved alone. As soon as the objective or threat is eliminated the STS social-memory complex loses focus and tends towards entropy as the association has outlived its utility.

The STS distortion towards power is a byproduct of the fundamental distortion/desire towards independence, separateness, and freedom. Things that can only be achieved by becoming as strong as the strongest force that threatens your selfhood an independence. This is the source of what you might refer to as the "distortion towards power." It is also this distortion that causes the top down structure of what you refer to as the Orion Group. Only the most powerful entity in the group will be capable of marshaling the energies of the individual STS entities to form a social-memory complex, as each STS's desire for for either separateness or control causes entropy that must be overcome by a stronger ordering force. Entities capable of marshaling this much power and control will typically be either high fourth density or above. I believe the threat or objective would have to be significant for a fifth density or higher STS entity to involve itself in such an undertaking, as it faces few threats, and its main objective is unity with the Creator and understanding of self. In this respect the higher orders of STS entities will be extraordinarily detached and other-selves will have lost most of their utility, as there are few things that cannot be accomplished by the self. Therefore, the character of the Orion Group will often fluctuate, being dependent upon the mastering personality/entity. I believe the "negative" manifestations of STS are largely a result of high fourth density entities who yet enjoy power for power's sake.

-Zaxon

[Liet]

-Zaxon

Due to some theorycrafting, i've "known" that negative entities would be gradualy more plesant to deal with, the further along the densities they go (glad to get it confirmed by an outside source)

[kycahi]

I mainly guess at things regarding STS entities, so feel free to correct me, Zax. I can imagine 4thD STSers forming a social memory complex to gain more power than they would have separately. Perhaps a 5thD STS entity or complex would lead them into it for that reason. While STSers like separation, I can imagine that a desire for power could nudge them to try a complex. If it disappoints, they can dissolve that and become separate again.

[Zaxon]

Kycahi,

There are many reasons STS entities might find it beneficial to form a social-memory complex. Those who would most benefit from the experience would be third and fourth density beings, who achieve perfection and understanding of self principally through their interactions with other-selves. STS entities have a different perspective towards adversity than do STO entities. STO entities seek to eliminate both, and success is viewed as their absence. An STS entity recognizes adversity as the Creator's greatest teacher, and uses it to sharpen the self into a fine point of infinite intelligence. The Orion Group consists principally of fourth density STS entities who have the most to learn from one another. In this respect, the social-memory complex is akin to the Spartan Agoge. As each self moves through the crucible of adversity, by mastery and perfection of self, they ascend towards the top of the hierarchy and towards the higher densities. When there is no more to be learned from the other-selves, an entity will find less use for social-memory complexes save for specific objectives. I believe there are few fifth and sixth density entities who would bother with such things. Even power loses its utility when there ceases to be anything to gain from its exercise.

This differs from the STO social-memory complex, which emphasizes complete integration of self into the collective. That being said, I believe the conflict between the STO and STS entities at the fourth level of density is imperative to the development of both.

-Zaxon

[drifting pages]

When one is in the realm of thought, where does self and other begin, this concept is alien to me.

When you are at a higher vibration state, you and reality are the same and the concept of self versus other is obsolete, you are reality, you are all that is.

You are consciousness, you are state of being.... the details vary....