Is all the talk of "activation" just bullshit to get you to look outside yourself?

[Namaste]

well, your (genuine) reasoning made me give the hint to the Debt Chain article. For a 4th density world, giving free stuff is natural. I wish it to be so in our particular 3D world too, but that doesn't seem to be the case in this specific world. She offers a lot of freely accessible "uplifiting" information, which on it's own is sufficient for rising the collective's vibrations. The "Ascension Course" is an extra, which one can use to further work on the Self. It is a set of very practical exercises designed and guided very professionally. I really mean it when I say that it's worth the [~optional] $99.

I too have mixed feelings about the fact that we are asked to pay the course, when we can obviously have it for free at the first place. My feeling though is that the cost is placed so that the Debt Chain would be solved. Even though, $99 is quite a lot (why not $9,99), but again, it is a quality class and has it's copyright. It truly is unlike anything else I've met on the webs.

As per her genuinity, Wonderers develop distorsions, we are warned and should expect it . I perceive that she is hiding/twisting/distorting information/facts for some reasons, but again, we incarnates do it, so I'm be far from blaming her for this. On the flip-side, unlike Ra, her message is somehow more attached to our human nature. The depth is unmatchable to the LOO, but I find it complementary and mostly in harmony, the best part being that she provides practical and applicable exercises to aid us in our self-realization & mastery process. All the meditation practices and classes I've tried are in total sync with the LOO message and are leading towards an STO polarization - they all build the "WE ARE ONE" perception.

All and all, her work is enjoyable and spending time on her exercises appears more beneficial to me than reading claimed channeling of Salusa, Archangel Michael, Metatron, Pleiadeans and the rest of the gang at stevebackow.com & 2012indyinfo.com. While there probably is authentic info in these channelings, there's also a lot of sensibel STS interference too. I think I've reached a point in which my desire for actual meditative(=awareness expansion) work outgrows my desire to read others' "dream worlds". Those giving me actual and applicable tools are those who I choose to trust from here on. These for now are the LOO, Inelia, CAC and occasionally few others.

Just to note, she's not a Wanderer by definition. A Wanderer is a fourth, fifth or sixth density being responding to the call from a planet in need. Regardless of the source density, it entails lives in first, second and third density beforehand. She claims to be an entity directly from source, with no incarnations before, or will have again. That puts her outside of the octave of densities/experience, which makes my discernment bells ring, as the cosmos is fractal in nature (octave based).

If a third density being can open up to unconditional love (and expect nothing in return), and gain wisdom as to the fact the cosmos supports you abundantly, why would a being direct from source not be able to do the same? :¬)

She would have such mastery - and that simply means absolute knowingness - that by following her path/service she would be unconditionally supported by the cosmos. Hence, one doesn't need to charge money.

Jesus did not charge for teachings. Nor did Buddha or any other enlightened master. They offered information to all who had the ears/eyes for it, unconditionally.

Take for example, (in my opinion) the best spiritually enlightening material on the planet - the Ra Material. Given away entirely free by Don, Carla and Jim, in the name of unconditional service (love) to others.

To me, that speaks volumes. Offering unconditionally is brining in aspects of fourth density, rather than being ruled by third density itself. The path of evolution, in my opinion :¬)

Much love, by the way, I mean no offense to you or anyone who values her work.

[Oceania]

Ra says some are only ever in one octave and not below. also, Dolores Cannon says she has met people with no lives.

[yossarian]

well, your (genuine) reasoning made me give the hint to the Debt Chain article. For a 4th density world, giving free stuff is natural. I wish it to be so in our particular 3D world too, but that doesn't seem to be the case in this specific world. She offers a lot of freely accessible "uplifiting" information, which on it's own is sufficient for rising the collective's vibrations. The "Ascension Course" is an extra, which one can use to further work on the Self. It is a set of very practical exercises designed and guided very professionally. I really mean it when I say that it's worth the [~optional] $99.

I too have mixed feelings about the fact that we are asked to pay the course, when we can obviously have it for free at the first place. My feeling though is that the cost is placed so that the Debt Chain would be solved. Even though, $99 is quite a lot (why not $9,99), but again, it is a quality class and has it's copyright. It truly is unlike anything else I've met on the webs.

As per her genuinity, Wonderers develop distorsions, we are warned and should expect it . I perceive that she is hiding/twisting/distorting information/facts for some reasons, but again, we incarnates do it, so I'm be far from blaming her for this. On the flip-side, unlike Ra, her message is somehow more attached to our human nature. The depth is unmatchable to the LOO, but I find it complementary and mostly in harmony, the best part being that she provides practical and applicable exercises to aid us in our self-realization & mastery process. All the meditation practices and classes I've tried are in total sync with the LOO message and are leading towards an STO polarization - they all build the "WE ARE ONE" perception.

All and all, her work is enjoyable and spending time on her exercises appears more beneficial to me than reading claimed channeling of Salusa, Archangel Michael, Metatron, Pleiadeans and the rest of the gang at stevebackow.com & 2012indyinfo.com. While there probably is authentic info in these channelings, there's also a lot of sensibel STS interference too. I think I've reached a point in which my desire for actual meditative(=awareness expansion) work outgrows my desire to read others' "dream worlds". Those giving me actual and applicable tools are those who I choose to trust from here on. These for now are the LOO, Inelia, CAC and occasionally few others.

Just to note, she's not a Wanderer by definition. A Wanderer is a fourth, fifth or sixth density being responding to the call from a planet in need. Regardless of the source density, it entails lives in first, second and third density beforehand. She claims to be an entity directly from source, with no incarnations before, or will have again. That puts her outside of the octave of densities/experience, which makes my discernment bells ring, as the cosmos is fractal in nature (octave based).

If a third density being can open up to unconditional love (and expect nothing in return), and gain wisdom as to the fact the cosmos supports you abundantly, why would a being direct from source not be able to do the same? :¬)

She would have such mastery - and that simply means absolute knowingness - that by following her path/service she would be unconditionally supported by the cosmos. Hence, one doesn't need to charge money.

Jesus did not charge for teachings. Nor did Buddha or any other enlightened master. They offered information to all who had the ears/eyes for it, unconditionally.

Take for example, (in my opinion) the best spiritually enlightening material on the planet - the Ra Material. Given away entirely free by Don, Carla and Jim, in the name of unconditional service (love) to others.

To me, that speaks volumes. Offering unconditionally is brining in aspects of fourth density, rather than being ruled by third density itself. The path of evolution, in my opinion :¬)

Much love, by the way, I mean no offense to you or anyone who values her work.

Those are popular avatars, but how do you know there aren't hundreds or even millions of other avatars who live normal lives?

I mean, if it was normal for people like Inelia to exist, then by definition you would not know about it because most of them stay quiet. She said that there are thousands like her alive right now but that most of them never tell anyone, they just do their jobs behind the scenes.

I agree with you that the comments about the debt chain are full of holes. Her comments raise more questions than they answer. However isn't it possible that this is due to miscommunication issues? Jesus and Buddha and others said many things that were incomplete, confusing, or seemed to have caused more harm than good.

Even with people who most of us agree are avatars, we can't just blindly trust everything they say, because they clearly have said some stuff we can't agree with! But when you consider how hard it must be to put timeless and eternal concepts into human language, it makes sense that stuff is misunderstood.

Ra said that for every concept they introduced, hundreds of misunderstood concepts were generated in the minds of the audiences. Surely this applies to Jesus and Buddha and so on as well.

Inelia's comments on the debt chain, to me, seem like hastily written and poorly fleshed out comments. They raise more questions than they answer. She said herself that she makes mistakes, she isn't The One Infinite Creator, she is a creation like all of us who happens to have a tremendous amount psychic ability (according to her).

In her course she says the highest level of consciousness she has attained is Oneness, and implies that there are higher levels which she has not experienced.

[native]

They offered information to all who had the ears/eyes for it, unconditionally.

I agree that ideally another system could be worked out. It's hard to do.

For the sake of being argumentative and applying standards equally, what about Bashar? You seem to be a fan of his, yet he charges for many things. I find his information to be generic.

I just think it's worth mentioning that in one hand because Bashar resonates with you, it seems that you are less critical, yet when it comes to Inelia (less resonance), issues arise.

So the question becomes, when should we be critical and why? Is the better approach to simply take it all with a grain of salt, rather than separating into 'good' and 'bad'?

As I see it, Inelia could be genuine. During this transitional period, it's possible such methods are used to incarnate those types of beings. Jesus was an aware wanderer, yet he basically spoke from the perspective that he came directly from the source..which is what Inelia is saying. I'm not equating Inelia with Jesus ..just throwing some analytical thinking out there. It's possible she's just a highly aware wanderer, and is being restricted from knowing her past, or simply chooses to avoid that label by preaching oneness. It's too early to tell with her.

[Namaste]

I agree with many points, yossy.

Jesus is used as an example as he 'remembered more than most Wanderers do', and meditated to connect to intelligent infinity to see if it was his time to leave, just like Inelia claims.

I think the main point is this: someone with such a connection that claims to have had the conscious choice to leave this planet but to stay around until 2017, and yet to charge for material, doesn't click with me personally.

The post about debt is a means to justify said charging, but more importantly advocates that sharing via unconditional love is a negative act. Big, big no for me.

Like I said, this is my personal opinion, if other people find her inspirational and helpful in their seeking, that's absolutely great :¬)

[yossarian]

Yeah, she's saying giving stuff away for free is karmically enslaving. Something isn't right there.

[native]

I haven't listened to her much. Her meditation on money was odd.

[Tenet Nosce]

Only 35 years of observation. Same as anybody else.

I believe the truth of the matter would be that there are currently incarnated a brilliant display of souls with all manner of unique and extensive experiences from which to draw from with respect to what they discern to be an accurate representation of "human nature". But I am sure there are those for which this is their first post-ape experience on earth as well.

Ra spoke in depth about archetypes. Do you think that there are souls here outside of this influence?

There are souls here who originated beyond the sphere of this particular Solar Logos, if this is what you were asking. Perhaps Ra didn't mention these souls because they were not directly asked. Or perhaps because such souls preferred to remain undercover in the early eighties.

3DMonkey- We appear to keep bumping heads on the same point from different angles. But I think you are aware of this already? You seem to keep falling back on "human nature" or "that's just the way it is" or "people are people" or "we're all just cosmic clowns anyway" or some other such justification for distorted social behaviors.

I've attempted to converse with you on this topic from several different angles, and it would appear that you have thoroughly dug in your heels in this particular stance. I wonder why?

Since this is a Law of One forum, I will attempt one more time to frame this in terms of what Ra said.

Humanity was genetically and socially manipulated toward bellicosity by beings who hailed from outside our Solar System. Bellicosity is not "human nature". Nor is it "normal" behavior by any manner of galactic standard. The belief system which encourages humans to accept that "they just can't help themselves" but to abuse, murder, and rape one another is part of the manipulation.

Beyond this, the antithesis of bellicosity, whereupon humans hold each other to such restrictive standards of social conduct because it is believed "natural and proper" to take offense at the slightest deviation from pleasantries and political correctness, is also part of the manipulation.

Thus, to get back to your previous comment, no I don't think it is "normal" or "natural" for human beings to be so mistrustful of one another. This is a learned behavior. A baby pops out of the womb completely trusting, as you well know.

Despite your handle, what constitutes Humanity is actually much more than glorified monkeys jumping around in 3D cages, hopelessly lost for all eternity, and utterly helpless to rise above their own biological programming.

This would appear to me to be one of the core messages of the Law of One.

Yes, we are all human. We all have our foibles. And yes, no matter where we came from, each of us passed through the doorway of "The Fool" in order to be here. As for the archetypes, not one of us is free from their influence, but we are not wholly restricted by them either.

The Law of One teaches that the archetypes themselves are evolving. What better place for a future Creator to experience how this current set of archetypes fell short of the desired result, then here/now in early 21st century Earth?

Live, laugh, love. Drink and be merry. Enjoy the ride. And all of that jazz. But not to the point of forgetting who you really are, or what your true purpose is.

We are spiritual beings having a human experience. Though we are free to see the opposite of this (as human beings having a spiritual experience), it does not actually make it true. It is not just a "matter of perception" and totally subjective.

One of those views is true. The other is an illusion designed to remind us of what is true.

[3DMonkey]

I think we are a human experience, and everything, infinitely everything, redirects to that point. I think taking the 'spiritual being comes first' approach is an expression of the human experience. I think Gemini Wolf brings us fantastic tales of how beings "outside our solar system" come to reside with us on this planet. I think Pickle explains very well how higher density beings find their way into our m/b/s complexes. Of course, Ra provides the most in depth analysis of our human experience. All in all, we humans created all that you and I discuss.

[Tenet Nosce]

I think taking the 'spiritual being comes first' approach is an expression of the human experience.

I see. So then, what you call the "human experience" is actually an objective reality, and every other reality is subjective relative to that?

I think Gemini Wolf brings us fantastic tales of how beings "outside our solar system" come to reside with us on this planet. I think Pickle explains very well how higher density beings find their way into our m/b/s complexes. Of course, Ra provides the most in depth analysis of our human experience.

Gemini Wolf, Pickle, Ra, and I, do not appear to be bumping heads. Why do you suppose that is?

All in all, we humans created all that you and I discuss.

Then who created us?

[AnthroHeart]

Awesome 3D. Didn't know I had such an impact with you.
Yeah, I don't know where these beings come from.
But they sure are fun.

[3DMonkey]

I think taking the 'spiritual being comes first' approach is an expression of the human experience.

I see. So then, what you call the "human experience" is actually an objective reality, and every other reality is subjective relative to that?

I don't want to answer that. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

All in all, we humans created all that you and I discuss.

Then who created us?

Light and "Love"

[AnthroHeart]

Gemini Wolf, Pickle, Ra, and I, do not appear to be bumping heads. Why do you suppose that is?

Fascinating observation. I'm not sure. I do feel a certain amount of anthroness in others, and so I tend to adore creation.

[Tenet Nosce]

I think taking the 'spiritual being comes first' approach is an expression of the human experience.

I see. So then, what you call the "human experience" is actually an objective reality, and every other reality is subjective relative to that?

I don't want to answer that. I'm not sure I understand what you mean.

What I mean is it appears you are saying that the consensus reality that we know as the "human experience" is an objective reality, from which firm conclusions can be drawn about what is true.

All in all, we humans created all that you and I discuss.

Then who created us?

Light and "Love"

I see. And so it is the nature of "light and love" to rape and murder and steal? Do you also suppose a "light and love" being would throw a temper tantrum because another failed to follow the "proper protocols" of communication? Or perhaps it is an expression of "light and love" to demonstrate mistrust toward other-selves?

[3DMonkey]

"objectively true reality" is still too subjective a statement for me to give my perspective without a miscommunication.

Light and love are the essence of energy. Intelligent Energy, right? We are all light and love beings. We don't do anything without it. We can't be without it.

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Gemini Wolf, Pickle, Ra, and I, do not appear to be bumping heads. Why do you suppose that is?

From my stand point, you and I don't appear to be bumping heads. You see something I do not.

[Tenet Nosce]

"objectively true reality" is still too subjective a statement for me to give my perspective without a miscommunication.

By all means, if there is some objective truth you feel able to communicate on this topic, feel free to do so in whatever means you feel necessary.

Light and love are the essence of energy. Intelligent Energy, right? We are all light and love beings. We don't do anything without it. We can't be without it.

Yes! And so... when light and love beings meet each other on the street they nod and smile and acknowledge the other's existence. They do not recoil in fear. That is not "natural" for love and light beings.

[3DMonkey]

All beings are love and light. Love and Light are kind of like saying a cake is sugar and flour. "love and light" isn't a positive density denomination.

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I don't know what "objective truth" means.

[Tenet Nosce]

Love and Light are kind of like saying a cake is sugar and flour.

The taste of the cake is sweet due to the sugar and the form of the cake is spongy due to the flour. One does not put salsa upon a tortilla and declare it to be cake.

I don't know what "objective truth" means.

Allow me to offer you an objective truth.

All beings are love and light.

Love. Light. Consciousness. These three things exist. They do not exist because we perceive them to exist. They exist because they are what is so. Our perception exists because of them.

A blind man may not perceive the sunlight, yet it still exists. Moreover, were it not for the sunlight, the blind man could not himself exist.

A bellicose man may not perceive the Creator's love, yet it still exists. Moreover, were it not for the Creator's love, the bellicose man could not himself exist.

[3DMonkey]

hahaha. Salsas and tortillas are not cake. Let me try again, light is to our body as water is to the ocean, or as air is to the wind. You have to give some slack because air and water are light too.


"all beings are love and light" is subjective. In my eyes anyway.

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I think consciousness is our creation, only existing via our ability to perceive. Can't have one without the other.

[Tenet Nosce]

In my eyes anyway.

Special message at 1:11

[3DMonkey]

I don't think my red blood cells call "light" light. It is there, but for it to be "light" it must be perceived as "light". A blind man only knows "light" by the rising of temperature at noon, or the conversion of light to energy that nourishes his body through a tomato. "Light" is not "light" to something that has not the human capacity for defining "light".

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We don't know we have an objective body because we are our subjective perception that perceives the body.

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I suppose I would say that I don't believe objectivity is perceptible by subjectivity, and for all I know, we are only subjectivity- inescapably.

[Tenet Nosce]

I don't think my red blood cells call "light" light.

Light is information and energy. To a red blood cell this is represented by oxygen. The red blood cell instinctively understands that oxygen is good, because oxygen is its' source of life. A red blood cell does not reject oxygen out of "free will" and declare its' preference for nitrogen.

The natural behavior of the red blood cell is to absorb oxygen wherever it is encountered and to release oxygen to wherever there is a need. It does this by responding to calls from other cells.

In a healthy body, the red blood cells deliver oxygen only to those cells which it recognizes as self. To a red blood cell, love is the process by which it recognizes other cells as self, and it is geometrically represented through the structure of its cell membrane as the shape of a torus.

A red blood cell neither hordes oxygen for itself, nor indiscriminately delivers oxygen to cells that are working at cross-purposes to the body.

When a red blood cell can no longer maintain its true toroidal form, it can no longer accurately identify which others to release the oxygen to, and thus perform its' natural function. When this happens, the red blood cell is targeted for destruction by the spleen as it no longer has a purpose to exist.

[3DMonkey]

I don't think my red blood cells call "light" light.

Light is information and energy. To a red blood cell this is represented by oxygen. The red blood cell instinctively understands that oxygen is good, because oxygen is its' source of life. A red blood cell does not reject oxygen out of "free will" and declare its' preference for nitrogen.

The natural behavior of the red blood cell is to release oxygen to wherever there is a need. It does this by responding to calls from other cells.

Let me try some more to explain my view.

The red blood cell does all this because it is a red blood cell. It doesn't reject oxygen because the "light" that formed it formed it to be a red blood cell and if it chose nitrogen it would be something else, some other something formed of "light".

In the same way, we are human. If we weren't human, then we wouldn't be human. The "light" (subjective understanding of light, mind you) has formed us in a way so as to be human, and by being human we are human so we express light in a human way and we process as humans. This is who we are. When we do something that is not human, like death, then we are no longer human and we no longer have a human formation of light with which to register what humans register. We are something different after that, some other something formed of "light". But it isn't "light" anymore, because the reference of light is entirely human.

[Parsons]

Only 35 years of observation. Same as anybody else.

I believe the truth of the matter would be that there are currently incarnated a brilliant display of souls with all manner of unique and extensive experiences from which to draw from with respect to what they discern to be an accurate representation of "human nature". But I am sure there are those for which this is their first post-ape experience on earth as well.

Interesting... I have always had this feeling that this was my first experience (I have had no past life memories to date), or that I was somehow very alien to the people I grew up with, my family... everyone. I would imagine that (very very high likelihood, using logic and what intuition I have) since I was born in 1985, that during this time period and especially just before there were many cries that us Wanderers answered.
Which would support much of the arguments that were made in the latter part of this thread... I am quite the innocent person in many reguards. The bullshit orange-ray posturing where people are constantly tip-toeing around other's feelings when communicating seems completely new and alien to me.
Also, murder, physical violence, etc, are alien to me. I just dont get why people want to do this, or think they have a right to take another life. (other than self-defense, with avoidance thereof at all costs)

[Tenet Nosce]

Interesting... I have always had this feeling that this was my first experience (I have had no past life memories to date), or that I was somehow very alien to the people I grew up with, my family... everyone. I would imagine that (very very high likelihood, using logic and what intuition I have) since I was born in 1985, that during this time period and especially just before there were many cries that us Wanderers answered.
Which would support much of the arguments that were made in the latter part of this thread... I am quite the innocent person in many reguards. The bullshit orange-ray posturing where people are constantly tip-toeing around other's feelings when communicating seems completely new and alien to me.
Also, murder, physical violence, etc, are alien to me. I just dont get why people want to do this, or think they have a right to take another life. (other than self-defense, with avoidance thereof at all costs)

Hi DuncanIdahoTPF,

You may be interested to know there are literally hundreds of documented cases of regression therapy where people expressed pretty much the same thing you are talking about. Some of the more poignant examples are in Dolores Cannon's The Three Waves of Volunteers and The New Earth.

Yes, it is well worth the money. (Why should everything be free? ) But if money is really tight there is a preview available on Amazon.com which corroborates almost everything you just wrote about.

[Oceania]

85! wow, you're younger than me.

[Tenet Nosce]

Let me try some more to explain my view.

Ah. OK well that clarifies a difference of opinion. I see humanity kind of as the red blood cells of Creation. There is a pretty good characterization of this concept by P.D. Ouspensky. (I think.) *shuffling and grumbling* BRB

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[3DMonkey]

3s again.

"we can see..."

[zenmaster]

What is your solution/approach to the vagaries of intuition?

I do have a personal approach regarding this. It involves balancing a rational faculty with the intuitive perception, and using honesty to determine what is known/not known with regards to any necessary evaluation.

How do you personally reach the greater polarizations?

Same way as anyone, merely become conscious of the tremendous amount of catalyst available. At some level, you're already whole, so you find out where the current disparity exists between potential wholeness and catalyst and you just acknowledge it. A 'distortion' is thereby removed. You have just done 'balancing' work. You just put that 'tiny candle' on it. That's all it takes to 'polarize'. In other words, 'health' is that wholeness.

[Tenet Nosce]

Just finished:

Paid $3 at the used book store. It was all the "activation" I needed.

Also, in a "random coincidence" flash there just so happened to be a set of the Law of One recently arrived on a cart right in front of the counter!