The Law of Free Will in 3rd Density

[lamchxp]

In 27.10, Ra makes a baffling note about the 3D experience in this illusion being both the PRODUCT of the distortion, The Law of Free Will, AND the distortion itself! Any thoughts on this? Has Ra referenced this idea in further detail anywhere else in the LOO? [see session snippet below]



27.9 QUESTIONER: Then am I correct then in assuming that the Creator will know Itself—the Creator then grants for this knowing the concept of freedom, total freedom of choice in the ways of knowing? Am I correct? 

RA: I am Ra. This is quite correct. 

27.10 QUESTIONER This then being the first distortion of the Law of One, which I am assuming is the Law of Intelligent Infinity, from all other— correction, all other distortions which are the total experience of the creation spring from this. Is this correct? 

RA I am Ra. This is both correct and incorrect. In your illusion all experience springs from the Law of Free Will, or the Way of Confusion. In another sense, which we are learning, the experiences are this distortion. 

27.11 QUESTIONER I will have to think about that and ask questions on it in the next session, so I will go on to what you have given me as the Second Distortion which is the distortion of Love. Is this correct? 

RA I am Ra. This is correct.

[Sacred Fool]

In a simple sense, both your question and my response would seem to be steeped in the Way of Confusion, don't you think?

Moving into it more deeply, if we, as the Creatrix, are operating in a context of unknowing and confusion, then are we not extruding this distortion into space and time?

We are operating here as if there are many of us, not One.  Is this not free will and confusion personified?  If so, what do we do with this perspective?  I suppose it could be a prod for us to more carefully balance our thoughts and actions with the buried awareness of the Oneness.  Perhaps that's the point of balancing the personality?

[flow]

 ...In another sense, which we are learning, the experiences are this distortion...

Ra is talking here about their own sixth density experience.

[Dtris]

Flow is spot on.

Sometimes Ra drops hints at concepts that are well beyond 3rd Density Understanding. My approach is to say "cool" and forget about it. I would rather spend my time working on things at my level, you reach the stars from the ground up after all.

[IndigoSalvia]

Thank you for asking this question. 

Bear with me here: I am thinking out loud as I explore this. Last night, I came to a similar question in this post: https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=19502

Specifically, do we (3D beings) have the "right" to infringe upon other 2D beings' free will? (Or, 3D beings', for that matter.) 

Generally, when does the Law of Free Will begin "applying" in the great spiritual journey? Is it invoked externally, or internally? 

Adherence to the L of FW plays out frequently in discussions about the 4D and 5D STS beings which continually greet the L/L team for the purpose of taking their light, or extinguishing it altogether. My ideas about L of FW have been informed by these Q&A about psychic attacks. 

It seems that L of FW is central to the many daily choices we make re STS or STO. For instance, taking another 3D being's life is generally unacceptable. But, more subtle forms of infringing upon others' free will are acceptable. 

Since intellectually learning about Law of One's L of FW, I am more aware of it in my own daily walk; whereas, before it was intuitive, and unreliable when interacting with other-selves. 

I am more frequently, consciously considering how my expressions (words, thoughts, and deeds) may preserve or infringe upon others' free will. 

In my neophyte experience, I am exploring and growing into observance of the L of FW (as I do with my other distortions), step by step and choice by choice. 

Where I am today: We all have this L of FW distortion operating within us already, and we refine it as we journey.

[lamchxp]

In a simple sense, both your question and my response would seem to be steeped in the Way of Confusion, don't you think?

Moving into it more deeply, if we, as the Creatrix, are operating in a context of unknowing and confusion, then are we not extruding this distortion into space and time?

We are operating here as if there are many of us, not One.  Is this not free will and confusion personified?  If so, what do we do with this perspective?  I suppose it could be a prod for us to more carefully balance our thoughts and actions with the buried awareness of the Oneness.  Perhaps that's the point of balancing the personality?

Beautifully perceived and worded. Thank you for your insight 

[lamchxp]

Flow is spot on.

Sometimes Ra drops hints at concepts that are well beyond 3rd Density Understanding. My approach is to say "cool" and forget about it. I would rather spend my time working on things at my level, you reach the stars from the ground up after all.

Ahh. So you and Flow are saying that Ra is implicating a learning that is happening/progressing specifically at their own level and not one that is happening at ours? I see. Perhaps so. =]

[Sacred Fool]

Beautifully perceived and worded. Thank you for your insight 

...said the blind man......to his deaf wife.

[Sacred Fool]

 ...In another sense, which we are learning, the experiences are this distortion...

Ra is talking here about their own sixth density experience.

I also believe this to be true, and yet it this does not take away from previous statement, necessarily.  One might suppose that the etiolated lessons which Ra are learning are similar to some of the ones we are learning, a key difference being that they are using an extremely fine toothed comb to search through the catalyst while our efforts are many times more coarse than theirs.  Whereas we are roughing out the sculpture of inner Divinity, they are polishing it with very fine grit.  After all, we are working with the same raw materials, right?  If all is One, then the lessons of our essential being are similar to their lessons of essential beingness, no?

[Diana]

I also believe this to be true, and yet it this does not take away from previous statement, necessarily.  One might suppose that the etiolated lessons which Ra are learning are similar to some of the ones we are learning, a key difference being that they are using an extremely fine toothed comb to search through the catalyst while our efforts are many times more coarse than theirs.  Whereas we are roughing out the sculpture of inner Divinity, they are polishing it with very fine grit.  After all, we are working with the same raw materials, right?  If all is One, then the lessons of our essential being are similar to their lessons of essential beingness, no?

Great analogy and insight Sacred Fool.

[flow]

 ...In another sense, which we are learning, the experiences are this distortion...

Ra is talking here about their own sixth density experience.

...  If all is One, then the lessons of our essential being are similar to their lessons of essential beingness, no?

imho, yes and no. yes - because all is One. no - because higher densities are the mystery we do not plumb in a slightest, covered and secured by the veil of forgetting. we got no idea what millions and millions of years of evolution of going back to the One Infinite Creator is like. it is good we are here in third density, limited by our third density goal of making a choicr, otherwise the inconceivability of existence would just crush us. intelligent infinity is not comprehensible by human third density mind. ad Ra said: " understanding is not of third density "

[Sacred Fool]

In this particular case, I think there is more to learn more from the similarities than from the differences.  For example, Ra says that 6D wanderers come here, not only to help out, but to refine the lessons they are learning in 6D because progress can be made more quickly here than there.  I agree that much time can be wasted by trying to think all that through in detail, and yet it does appear that there is important overlap in the self-discover they are delving into and our own.  Whether or not that is important to any particular person is another question.

[Diana]

imho, yes and no. yes - because all is One. no - because higher densities are the mystery we do not plumb in a slightest, covered and secured by the veil of forgetting. we got no idea what millions and millions of years of evolution of going back to the One Infinite Creator is like. it is good we are here in third density, limited by our third density goal of making a choicr, otherwise the inconceivability of existence would just crush us. intelligent infinity is not comprehensible by human third density mind. ad Ra said: " understanding is not of third density "

Regarding the above bolded, I agree with this from my own experience and I think it is literally true. It is something like electrical current overloading a system. When I contemplate certain things, such as, Where is the universe? I can feel that crushing.

On the other hand, in the presentation of the Archetypes according to Ra, there are 3 cycles of study: mind, body, spirit plus the final "Choice." The spirit, according to Ra, is a shuttle to intelligent infinity, and the adept is endeavoring to access conscious and effective use of intelligent energy. This suggests that we may not know all, but we may get flashes of insight (the Potentiator of the Spirit), and we may travel the labyrinthine paths of 3D seeking to discern truth from falsity and at least glimpse the reflected truth as the moonlight reflects the sunlight (the Experience of the Spirit).

80.10 ▶ Questioner: Now, the fifteenth archetype, which is the Matrix of the Spirit, has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.

It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

It is innate in humans at least to want to know. This seeking after knowledge is a drive that cannot be completely quashed, though it can be repressed as has been, and continues to be, done by those seeking to control. This is one reason why it's important to unplug from the media and its narratives. Thinking without the various media influences will connect one more easily with truth and clear insights.

The veil being in place gives STS beings a great advantage in that the realization of how much we don't know, and possibly can't know, about our existence—which all 3D beings may be deeply or unconsciously aware of—makes it easier to insert false narratives, because people just give up. I say don't give up. Trudge on no matter how impossible things may seem to be. This sounds counter to acceptance or yet another paradox. I don't accept limits and controls, and this is my right as a being in a universe that is built upon free will.

[flow]

again - yes and no.
just because a third density adept was able to get in contact with intelligent infinity and penetrate the veil of forgetting does not mean he/she become sixth density entity. we can not bypass grades in our evolution of going back to the One Infinite Creator. as Q'uo said "it is inappropriate to move more quickly than one's feet may walk". densities are there for a reason. even though for a Wanderer third density experience may be just a lesson of a higher density learning process, this learning is happening precisely because there is the dense veil and heavy chemical body which give 100 times more intense catalyst.

in my really humble opinion, even if one is a Wanderer, it can be detracting to think one can ponder sixth density lessons being incarnated as a third density being. think of it most Wanderes are not even Jesus-like, all forgiving and being capable of "miracles". Jehoshua was fourth density Wanderer. and yet most people believe whatever their rational mind whispers them. most spiritual traditions say it is indispensable to be able to quiet your rational mind, to halt the endless train of thoughts and remain in inner stillness and quiescense, because that undistracted state is the essential foundation for spiritual development. Q'uo stress the same. so whatever true insights about true nature of things we get they don't come from reasoning, reading books or other logic-based intellectual efforts. that is why thinking about higher densities experiences by means of our third density thought process yield no true understanding) i don't think veil gives advantage to STS beings. it may look that way from an STS point of view, but the fruits of third density learning are reaped not in this life. in a way, the less we know - the more we learn while here. it is our Choice what to believe and to have faith or not.

[Sacred Fool]

...most spiritual traditions say it is indispensable to be able to quiet your rational mind, to halt the endless train of thoughts and remain in inner stillness and quiescense, because that undistracted state is the essential foundation for spiritual development. Q'uo stress the same. so whatever true insights about true nature of things we get they don't come from reasoning, reading books or other logic-based intellectual efforts. that is why thinking about higher densities experiences by means of our third density thought process yield no true understanding)...

 
Yes.  And you might be missing something here.

The point there, as I view it, is that there are avenues of knowing beyond rational cognition.  That is, the point of settling the rational mind is to become more aware of the more subtle organs of awareness and understanding.  Therefore, it is not that understanding is of no use, it is that deeper understanding is more useful than superficial understanding.  And that applies to 6D as much as it does here, so far as I can tell.  That's why there is a 7D.

If an entity travels here from 6D to balance the forces of love, power and wisdom, then it seems askew--to me--to argue that there is no point in trying to understand what these lessons might be and in trying to gain more insight into the relationships of these things.  One level of doing so would be reading books and channeled material, another would be seeking insight through meditation and dreaming.

Speaking personally, there are elements of these themes (love, power, wisdom) which have dominated my present incarnation, and studying these has been a fruitful endeavour.  I recommend it as an useful pastime.

[MonadicSpectrum]

In 27.10, Ra makes a baffling note about the 3D experience in this illusion being both the PRODUCT of the distortion, The Law of Free Will, AND the distortion itself! Any thoughts on this? Has Ra referenced this idea in further detail anywhere else in the LOO? [see session snippet below]

I think it's important to recognize that Ra calls Free Will a distortion meaning that Ra believes Free Will does not exist in truth.

Next, if we accept Free Will as a distortion of truth rather than being true itself, how are we to define Free Will? Personally, I define Free Will as the experience of choosing the future among a set of seeming possibilities. For example, I may believe it is possible for me to eat dinner next or go for a walk. Then, I choose to go for a walk and a walk manifests itself. In order for Free Will to exist, I must not know everything that will happen in the future. If I know everything that will happen, I cannot make a choice. Simultaneously, for Free Will to exist, I must know some things that will happen. Thus, we can further define Free Will as the spectrum of experience between knowing nothing about the future and knowing everything about the future. There is no Free Will at the poles of knowing.

Digging further, we can say that Free Will is an illusion or distortion because there *does* exist a future that will happen and if I examine the limit of learning to infinity, I can eventually learn to predict everything that will happen exactly. If everything can be predicted, then it is not actually chosen by anyone; it just is what it is. Free Will is a subjective experience in an objective reality that knows it not. It is only through the subjective divide with objectivity that Free Will came to be a distortion to experience. But it's equally valid to say that the One Infinite Creator did not choose this divide nor choose for Free Will to exist in distortion but always knew that it would occur.

Reality itself is unchanging and constant leaving no room for Free Will to change it but the introduction of the interpretation allowed for the experience of change and Free Will even if it doesn't actually exist beyond a distorted perception. But if you experience Free Will, I recommend choosing to enjoy it as much as possible.

39.6 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me— can you interpret a transmission from “The Nine,” where they say “CH is a principle which is the revealing principle of knowledge and law?” Can you tell me what that principle is?

Ra: I am Ra. The principle so veiled in that statement is but the simple principle of the constant or Creator and the transient or the incarnate being and the yearning existing between the two, one for the other, in love and light amidst the distortions of free will acting upon the illusion-bound entity.

[Sacred Fool]

I think it's important to recognize that Ra calls Free Will a distortion meaning that Ra believes Free Will does not exist in truth.

I read it a little differently.  Ra speaks in 1.0 about the Original Thought and later about how in that thought there is only unity.  What breaks apart the unity?  The first thing is free will.  That makes it the first distortion, not of truth, but of All, because in complete unity there is is no dichotomy of truth/falsehood.  Truth/falsehood and past/present/future are artifacts of the illusion.  Free will is the first means of that which created becoming conscious of itself in apparent separation from Oneness.  This is to say, free will would appear to be of greater primal importance than time and specific ideation.

[MonadicSpectrum]

I think it's important to recognize that Ra calls Free Will a distortion meaning that Ra believes Free Will does not exist in truth.

I read it a little differently.  Ra speaks in 1.0 about the Original Thought and later about how in that thought there is only unity.  What breaks apart the unity?  The first thing is free will.  That makes it the first distortion, not of truth, but of All, because in complete unity there is is no dichotomy of truth/falsehood.  Truth/falsehood and past/present/future are artifacts of the illusion.  Free will is the first means of that which created becoming conscious of itself in apparent separation from Oneness.  This is to say, free will would appear to be of greater primal importance than time and specific ideation.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I define Unity and the All as true and distortions, illusions, and separations as false. Do you hold different definitions of the words? Perhaps you see experiences of distortions, illusions, and separations as possibly being true in the sense that it is true we experience them for a finite period of time?

[flow]

And you might be missing something here.

of course i am

...Therefore, it is not that understanding is of no use, it is that deeper understanding is more useful than superficial understanding...

sure

...And that applies to 6D as much as it does here, so far as I can tell.  That's why there is a 7D.

ok, look, this is a good example of what i was saying.
you can not tell anything about 6D, let alone 7D for that matter.
you talk about sixth density because you've read about it in Ra material. it is not the result of your direct meditative insight or of contacting intelligent infinity. it is a knowledge from a book. i don't wanna sound patronizing or dismissive or anything negative of the sort, but you have no direct idea what six density is like, what a catalyst of the six density is like, what experience of the six density is like. we can only rely on what Ra, Tealonn or other six density members of Confederation share with us. we can not experience six density directly. therefore, our "understanding" is second-hand and incomplete, therefore we can not even call it true understanding, it is just crumbles of information.

...If an entity travels here from 6D...

that is very big "If".
thinking of oneself as Wanderer may lead one into a trap of false spiritual security. one may think, "oh, i am a wanderer, so upon cessation of my chemical body i will just go to my home density, i am safe". but Wanderes are not safe, as Ra mentioned.
another trap of thinking of oneself as Wanderer is that you either actually may not be one at all or you may be a fourth or a fifth density wanderer.
in other words, there is no "wandermeter" to check if one is a wanderer or not and - if yes - then what density one came from. this whole idea of thinking of oneself as a wanderer may very well be just wishful thinking.

..to balance the forces of love, power and wisdom...

Ra have never said anything about balancing power with love and wisdom.

..then it seems askew--to me--to argue that there is no point in trying to understand what these lessons might be and in trying to gain more insight into the relationships of these things.

it seems askew, sure, but where did i argue there is no point in trying to understand?

i was trying to convey 2 things:
1. there is no way a third density being can understand sixth density lessons, or any other higher density.
2. Ra said explicitly about third density understanding

I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

[Sacred Fool]

Perhaps you see experiences of distortions, illusions, and separations as possibly being true in the sense that it is true we experience them for a finite period of time?

That's a tad complex.  Q'uo often speaks about a spiritual seeker as being a seeker of truth.  So, in that sense I would say "yes" to the above question.  They also speak about us as being a vibration and the Original Thought as being a vibration, and that as one advances, one's vibration more closely resembles that Original Vibration.  This might be difficult to pick up on at first, but I find it a clearer model than the word "truth."

When I first heard people talk this way (prior to ever reading the Ra Material), I found it perplexing because you can neither see it nor hear it.  It is perceived through a finer sensory system, one could say.  But eventually I began to cotton on to it.  You could maybe call it psychic, but I wouldn't know how to define that either.  It's maybe like immersing yourself in a new language and just picking it up as you need to as you go along.  It begins  as something subjective, but like a language, you can refine it and learn to use it skillfully.

So my personal idea of what truth is has something to do with a thing's quality of vibration.  For example, perhaps you can pick up on my sincerity here and feel that I'm not just fooling around--at this particular moment.  It's a lot like that, but more deeply involved.  Truth is not about fact, I would say, but about the degree of gravitas and purity and love involved.  As another example, that's why some people find the Ra Material so satisfying, despite its being so dense and challenging to the intellect.

[Sacred Fool]

And you might be missing something here.

of course i am   You have a lot company in this respect, myself included, to be sure.

...And that applies to 6D as much as it does here, so far as I can tell.  That's why there is a 7D.

ok, look, this is a good example of what i was saying.
you can not tell anything about 6D, let alone 7D for that matter.
you talk about sixth density because you've read about it in Ra material. it is not the result of your direct meditative insight or of contacting intelligent infinity. it is a knowledge from a book. i don't wanna sound patronizing or dismissive or anything negative of the sort, but you have no direct idea what six density is like, what a catalyst of the six density is like, what experience of the six density is like. we can only rely on what Ra, Tealonn or other six density members of Confederation share with us. we can not experience six density directly. therefore, our "understanding" is second-hand and incomplete, therefore we can not even call it true understanding, it is just crumbles of information.  Yes, and the spiritual lessons overlap.  Look at Ra's naivete, for instance.  They are learning to be more discerning of the darker inclinations of humanoid creatures while we are learning to be more discerning of whole hearted love.  

"Crumbs of information?"  Maybe.  Or maybe learning to operate from one's deepest self--even in 3D--is not so dramatically different from the way they operate?  You can decide that for yourself; I see a similarity.

...If an entity travels here from 6D...

that is very big "If".
thinking of oneself as Wanderer may lead one into a trap of false spiritual security. one may think, "oh, i am a wanderer, so upon cessation of my chemical body i will just go to my home density, i am safe". but Wanderes are not safe, as Ra mentioned.
another trap of thinking of oneself as Wanderer is that you either actually may not be one at all or you may be a fourth or a fifth density wanderer.
in other words, there is no "wandermeter" to check if one is a wanderer or not and - if yes - then what density one came from. this whole idea of thinking of oneself as a wanderer may very well be just wishful thinking. 

Yes, I see potential drawbacks, do you see potential advantages to understanding one's purpose for incarnating here?  Personally, I see an advantage to being open minded about what one's home density might be, but if one sees that the themes of one's life experiences correlate with themes a wanderer would wish to explore here in this Vale of Tears, why not respond accordingly and search oneself for internal understanding along these lines?

..to balance the forces of love, power and wisdom...

Ra have never said anything about balancing power with love and wisdom.  Quo often speaks about power being a theme for wanderers along with love and wisdom.  I can look up some relevant passages if you would like.

..then it seems askew--to me--to argue that there is no point in trying to understand what these lessons might be and in trying to gain more insight into the relationships of these things.

it seems askew, sure, but where did i argue there is no point in trying to understand?

i was trying to convey 2 things:
1. there is no way a third density being can understand sixth density lessons, or any other higher density.
2. Ra said explicitly about third density understanding

I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

That's true in the sense that here we can only really understand things within the context of our own being and don't have the objectivity of one who, for example, has completed their incantation and crossed over to time/space.  On the other hand, the whole point here, as I read it, is to come to the deepest understanding we can within this difficult context and act as best we can in accord with the deepest vibration of self we can sniff out among all the distractions.  The goal of the most devoted, according to Ra, is not to use the mind to figure out the best way to get along in the illusion, but is to move out from the shadows into the pure light of that which our understanding cannot reach, but which we can reach through recognition of our own inherent vibration of Divinity.  Does that ring true, according to your understanding?

[flow]

...I can look up some relevant passages if you would like.

yes, please, that would be nice.

...The goal of the most devoted, according to Ra, is not to use the mind to figure out the best way to get along in the illusion, but is to move out from the shadows into the pure light of that which our understanding cannot reach, but which we can reach through recognition of our own inherent vibration of Divinity. Does that ring true, according to your understanding?

yes, while i am not sure i am getting the meaning of your usage of words correctly, but it seems so.

[lamchxp]

Thank you all for your grace

[MonadicSpectrum]

Ra have never said anything about balancing power with love and wisdom.

These quotes come to mind.

75.32 ▶ Questioner: The three aspects of the magical personality are stated to be power, love, and wisdom. Is this correct and are these the only primary aspects of the magical personality?

Ra: I am Ra. The three aspects of the magical personality, power, love, and wisdom, are so called in order that attention be paid to each aspect in developing the basic tool of the adept; that is, its self. It is by no means a personality of three aspects. It is a being of unity, being of sixth density and equivalent to what you call your higher self and, at the same time, is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.
The three aspects are given that the neophyte not abuse the tools of its trade but rather approach those tools balanced in the center of love and wisdom and thus seeking power in order to serve.

https://www.lawofone.info/s/75#32

This is indeed an appropriate technique. In this particular group there is an additional aid in that each entity manifests one of these qualities in a manner which approaches the archetype. Thusly visualization may be personalized and much love and support within the group generated.

https://www.lawofone.info/s/75#39 (Carla -> Love, Don -> Wisdom, Jim -> Power) - I believe it was the unity of Love, Wisdom, and Power that brought about the Ra contact.

We may note that the great forte of the scribe is summed in the inadequate sound vibration complex, power. The flow of power, just as the flow of love or wisdom, is enabled not by the chary** conserver of its use but by the constant user. The physical manifestation of power being either constructive or destructive strenuous activity, the power-filled entity must needs exercise that manifestation. This entity experiences a distortion in the direction of an excess of stored energy. It is well to know the self and to guard and use those attributes which the self has provided for its learning and its service.

https://www.lawofone.info/s/99#5

[flofrog]

Thank you so much lamchxp for starting this wonderful thread.

I would quote again Sacred Fool

The goal of the most devoted, according to Ra, is not to use the mind to figure out the best way to get along in the illusion, but is to move out from the shadows into the pure light of that which our understanding cannot reach, but which we can reach through recognition of our own inherent vibration of Divinity.  Does that ring true, according to your understanding?

That was quite beautifully said.  Even though, Sacred Fool, ' said the blind man... to his deaf wife..."