(10-25-2021, 08:01 PM)lamchxp Wrote:  ...In another sense, which we are learning, the experiences are this distortion...

(10-26-2021, 01:53 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: In a simple sense, both your question and my response would seem to be steeped in the Way of Confusion, don't you think?

Moving into it more deeply, if we, as the Creatrix, are operating in a context of unknowing and confusion, then are we not extruding this distortion into space and time?

We are operating here as if there are many of us, not One.  Is this not free will and confusion personified?  If so, what do we do with this perspective?  I suppose it could be a prod for us to more carefully balance our thoughts and actions with the buried awareness of the Oneness.  Perhaps that's the point of balancing the personality?

(10-27-2021, 09:47 AM)Dtris Wrote: Flow is spot on.

Sometimes Ra drops hints at concepts that are well beyond 3rd Density Understanding. My approach is to say "cool" and forget about it. I would rather spend my time working on things at my level, you reach the stars from the ground up after all.

(10-27-2021, 01:51 PM)lamchxp Wrote: Beautifully perceived and worded. Thank you for your insight 

(10-26-2021, 09:03 AM)flow Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 08:01 PM)lamchxp Wrote:  ...In another sense, which we are learning, the experiences are this distortion...

Ra is talking here about their own sixth density experience.

(10-28-2021, 02:38 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: I also believe this to be true, and yet it this does not take away from previous statement, necessarily.  One might suppose that the etiolated lessons which Ra are learning are similar to some of the ones we are learning, a key difference being that they are using an extremely fine toothed comb to search through the catalyst while our efforts are many times more coarse than theirs.  Whereas we are roughing out the sculpture of inner Divinity, they are polishing it with very fine grit.  After all, we are working with the same raw materials, right?  If all is One, then the lessons of our essential being are similar to their lessons of essential beingness, no?

(10-28-2021, 02:38 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(10-26-2021, 09:03 AM)flow Wrote:

(10-25-2021, 08:01 PM)lamchxp Wrote:  ...In another sense, which we are learning, the experiences are this distortion...

Ra is talking here about their own sixth density experience.

...  If all is One, then the lessons of our essential being are similar to their lessons of essential beingness, no?

(10-28-2021, 12:55 PM)flow Wrote: imho, yes and no. yes - because all is One. no - because higher densities are the mystery we do not plumb in a slightest, covered and secured by the veil of forgetting. we got no idea what millions and millions of years of evolution of going back to the One Infinite Creator is like. it is good we are here in third density, limited by our third density goal of making a choicr, otherwise the inconceivability of existence would just crush us. intelligent infinity is not comprehensible by human third density mind. ad Ra said: " understanding is not of third density "

Quote:80.10 ▶ Questioner: Now, the fifteenth archetype, which is the Matrix of the Spirit, has been called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?

Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery. Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.

It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the nature is often not.

(10-30-2021, 01:47 AM)flow Wrote: ...most spiritual traditions say it is indispensable to be able to quiet your rational mind, to halt the endless train of thoughts and remain in inner stillness and quiescense, because that undistracted state is the essential foundation for spiritual development. Q'uo stress the same. so whatever true insights about true nature of things we get they don't come from reasoning, reading books or other logic-based intellectual efforts. that is why thinking about higher densities experiences by means of our third density thought process yield no true understanding)...

(10-25-2021, 08:01 PM)lamchxp Wrote: In 27.10, Ra makes a baffling note about the 3D experience in this illusion being both the PRODUCT of the distortion, The Law of Free Will, AND the distortion itself! Any thoughts on this? Has Ra referenced this idea in further detail anywhere else in the LOO? [see session snippet below]

Quote:39.6 Questioner: Thank you. Can you tell me— can you interpret a transmission from “The Nine,” where they say “CH is a principle which is the revealing principle of knowledge and law?” Can you tell me what that principle is?

Ra: I am Ra. The principle so veiled in that statement is but the simple principle of the constant or Creator and the transient or the incarnate being and the yearning existing between the two, one for the other, in love and light amidst the distortions of free will acting upon the illusion-bound entity.

(10-30-2021, 07:36 PM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: I think it's important to recognize that Ra calls Free Will a distortion meaning that Ra believes Free Will does not exist in truth.

(10-30-2021, 08:56 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(10-30-2021, 07:36 PM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: I think it's important to recognize that Ra calls Free Will a distortion meaning that Ra believes Free Will does not exist in truth.

I read it a little differently.  Ra speaks in 1.0 about the Original Thought and later about how in that thought there is only unity.  What breaks apart the unity?  The first thing is free will.  That makes it the first distortion, not of truth, but of All, because in complete unity there is is no dichotomy of truth/falsehood.  Truth/falsehood and past/present/future are artifacts of the illusion.  Free will is the first means of that which created becoming conscious of itself in apparent separation from Oneness.  This is to say, free will would appear to be of greater primal importance than time and specific ideation.

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: And you might be missing something here.

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ...Therefore, it is not that understanding is of no use, it is that deeper understanding is more useful than superficial understanding...

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ...And that applies to 6D as much as it does here, so far as I can tell.  That's why there is a 7D.

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ...If an entity travels here from 6D...

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ..to balance the forces of love, power and wisdom...

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ..then it seems askew--to me--to argue that there is no point in trying to understand what these lessons might be and in trying to gain more insight into the relationships of these things.

Quote:I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

(10-30-2021, 09:33 PM)MonadicSpectrum Wrote: Perhaps you see experiences of distortions, illusions, and separations as possibly being true in the sense that it is true we experience them for a finite period of time?

(10-31-2021, 12:15 AM)flow Wrote:

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: And you might be missing something here.

of course i am   You have a lot company in this respect, myself included, to be sure.

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ...And that applies to 6D as much as it does here, so far as I can tell.  That's why there is a 7D.

ok, look, this is a good example of what i was saying.
you can not tell anything about 6D, let alone 7D for that matter.
you talk about sixth density because you've read about it in Ra material. it is not the result of your direct meditative insight or of contacting intelligent infinity. it is a knowledge from a book. i don't wanna sound patronizing or dismissive or anything negative of the sort, but you have no direct idea what six density is like, what a catalyst of the six density is like, what experience of the six density is like. we can only rely on what Ra, Tealonn or other six density members of Confederation share with us. we can not experience six density directly. therefore, our "understanding" is second-hand and incomplete, therefore we can not even call it true understanding, it is just crumbles of information.  Yes, and the spiritual lessons overlap.  Look at Ra's naivete, for instance.  They are learning to be more discerning of the darker inclinations of humanoid creatures while we are learning to be more discerning of whole hearted love.  

"Crumbs of information?"  Maybe.  Or maybe learning to operate from one's deepest self--even in 3D--is not so dramatically different from the way they operate?  You can decide that for yourself; I see a similarity.

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ...If an entity travels here from 6D...

that is very big "If".
thinking of oneself as Wanderer may lead one into a trap of false spiritual security. one may think, "oh, i am a wanderer, so upon cessation of my chemical body i will just go to my home density, i am safe". but Wanderes are not safe, as Ra mentioned.
another trap of thinking of oneself as Wanderer is that you either actually may not be one at all or you may be a fourth or a fifth density wanderer.
in other words, there is no "wandermeter" to check if one is a wanderer or not and - if yes - then what density one came from. this whole idea of thinking of oneself as a wanderer may very well be just wishful thinking. 

Yes, I see potential drawbacks, do you see potential advantages to understanding one's purpose for incarnating here?  Personally, I see an advantage to being open minded about what one's home density might be, but if one sees that the themes of one's life experiences correlate with themes a wanderer would wish to explore here in this Vale of Tears, why not respond accordingly and search oneself for internal understanding along these lines?

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ..to balance the forces of love, power and wisdom...

Ra have never said anything about balancing power with love and wisdom.  Quo often speaks about power being a theme for wanderers along with love and wisdom.  I can look up some relevant passages if you would like.

(10-30-2021, 01:39 PM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ..then it seems askew--to me--to argue that there is no point in trying to understand what these lessons might be and in trying to gain more insight into the relationships of these things.

it seems askew, sure, but where did i argue there is no point in trying to understand?

i was trying to convey 2 things:
1. there is no way a third density being can understand sixth density lessons, or any other higher density.
2. Ra said explicitly about third density understanding

Quote:I am Ra. It is absolutely necessary that an entity consciously realize it does not understand in order for it to be harvestable. Understanding is not of this density.

(10-31-2021, 02:19 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ...I can look up some relevant passages if you would like.

(10-31-2021, 02:19 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: ...The goal of the most devoted, according to Ra, is not to use the mind to figure out the best way to get along in the illusion, but is to move out from the shadows into the pure light of that which our understanding cannot reach, but which we can reach through recognition of our own inherent vibration of Divinity. Does that ring true, according to your understanding?

Quote:Ra have never said anything about balancing power with love and wisdom.

Quote:75.32 ▶ Questioner: The three aspects of the magical personality are stated to be power, love, and wisdom. Is this correct and are these the only primary aspects of the magical personality?

Ra: I am Ra. The three aspects of the magical personality, power, love, and wisdom, are so called in order that attention be paid to each aspect in developing the basic tool of the adept; that is, its self. It is by no means a personality of three aspects. It is a being of unity, being of sixth density and equivalent to what you call your higher self and, at the same time, is a personality enormously rich in variety of experience and subtlety of emotion.
The three aspects are given that the neophyte not abuse the tools of its trade but rather approach those tools balanced in the center of love and wisdom and thus seeking power in order to serve.

Quote:This is indeed an appropriate technique. In this particular group there is an additional aid in that each entity manifests one of these qualities in a manner which approaches the archetype. Thusly visualization may be personalized and much love and support within the group generated.

Quote:We may note that the great forte of the scribe is summed in the inadequate sound vibration complex, power. The flow of power, just as the flow of love or wisdom, is enabled not by the chary** conserver of its use but by the constant user. The physical manifestation of power being either constructive or destructive strenuous activity, the power-filled entity must needs exercise that manifestation. This entity experiences a distortion in the direction of an excess of stored energy. It is well to know the self and to guard and use those attributes which the self has provided for its learning and its service.

Quote:The goal of the most devoted, according to Ra, is not to use the mind to figure out the best way to get along in the illusion, but is to move out from the shadows into the pure light of that which our understanding cannot reach, but which we can reach through recognition of our own inherent vibration of Divinity.  Does that ring true, according to your understanding?