Are you going to take the vaccine?

[Ymarsakar]

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Would I be allowed to incarnate on an STS controlled zone?

Counter: We don't want you here, you are infringing on our free will to farm these free range humans.

Yeah, I guess I am only here because enough free range humans are calling.

Humm, it's like accepting to become a cattle animal in order to help with their suffering.  Seems hopeless from that point of view.  Yet I have faith that the how and why it might help are taken care of without me having to be aware of it.

Think of a prison so strong that nobody outside of it can break the inmates out. So you infiltrate inside as a prisoner to break out from the inside out and lead everyone through the tunnels. But you cannot communicate in the open, because all your messages are read, so you have to go in blind and trust in the Divine Plan.

[Ohr Ein Sof]

It's related to the comment of "STS controlled institutions".

It's a vast subject, way bigger than a certain vaccine.

Like having a poll such as "Would you use money created by STS controlled institutions?"

It's in the sense that there are no vaccine offered to us coming from non STS controlled institutions.  So I cannot choose those other non existent vaccine.

Same with money.  I would prefer to buy food using a decentralized credit system, but for now it's still not an option where I live.  In fact, I would prefer to get my food from a resource based economy system, but...

It's a vast subject, way bigger than a certain vaccine.

Nothing is bigger than what is in front of us Now.

Like having a poll such as "Would you use money created by STS controlled institutions?"

Only if you wish to eat. You can't survive on eating out of trash cans very well. It would look a lot like a red ray delimma at best.

It's in the sense that there are no vaccine offered to us coming from non STS controlled institutions.  So I cannot choose those other non existent vaccine.

You could choose not to vaccinate, truthfully. They did completely skip the animal trials so we are their animal trials FYI.
It does take more than a decade to produce a vaccination generally. I mean if those two things donot make one nervous and think twice, I am not sure if anything would do the trick.

I would prefer to buy food using a decentralized credit system

You would rather be on welfare or public assistance? Because it may be going that way too. Charles Scwab said, "you will own nothing, everything you have, you will "rent" and you will be happy". Oh yeah? Says who? Charles Schwab said it! Great! Said the biggest capitalist a****** of the universe. Thanks Chuck. I like to earn my worth based on what I think my personal worth is in this 3rd density soap opera.

[Patrick]

Well then, at least we will be happy.  In the past, slaves were unhappy if I am not mistaken.  That's progress right there !

But really, I see things quite differently.  I remain very optimistic about our future.  I am not going to expand more energy countering the arguments since all our minds are already set and guest readers have all the info laying around already to make an informed decision.

[zedro]

It was a very straightforward and precise hypothetical question that is obviously being evaded and twisted into other non congruent examples. The premise was very specific and it has to do with discernement and potential direct consequences to ones health.

Comparing the question to an exchange system or other conceptual systems that are multipurpose is beyond the point. Well so much for the thought experiment lol.

[Patrick]

I'm curious what the debate and poll would look like if a thread was framed like this:

"Hypothetically speaking, would you take a vaccine created by STS controlled institutions in response to an STS controlled institutions created disease"

Ok then, I'll humor you. Yes I would. If they manufacture an illness, why not take the manufactured cure that is also provided.

[flofrog]

Lol. Patrick, you are so romantic

[STAR-ONE]

"In the future, we will eliminate the soul with medicine through vaccines that will suppress spiritual consciousness." Rudolf Steiner

[Ymarsakar]

"If they manufacture an illness, why not take the manufactured cure that is also provided."

Generally speaking, this setup is called a con, a scam, or a high level deception trick.

For example, if you were to buy a house for 100k USD, and I wanted to take advantage of that, I would attempt to convince you to sell it to me for 90k, believing the market value will skyrocket to 150k USD in a few months or years.

A regular trade would be for you to sell it to me for 110 or 120k, above market price, but still within a good amount of margin for overall profit taking. But no, I think I need it at a lower price than market, that way I win if it reaches 150k and I win if it stays at 100k. Meanwhile I collect "rent" to pay the taxes and maintenance, as I don't need to live in it. So you would be losing the rent income plus the appreciation in value, if the market booms, plus 10k off the up front cost, plus whatever interest was on your loan to buy (borrow technically from banks) that house in the first place.

Most people would logically not take that deal, as there is no benefit to them. So I just set fire (called arson) to the neighborhood and burn down the businesses 1-5 mile away. This will "lower" your property value temporarily, so that it sinks to 70k or 80k. THis makes my offer of 90k "above market value" temporarily.

And if you still refuse the "deal", there might be a little fire on your own property.

This is how negative strategies work. You lose, I gain. I gain, and I gain. You lose, and you lose.

If you are still resistant to the "deal", then your home might just burn down and you collect the insurance. Meanwhile, I'll buy up the property at bottom level rates. It's got nothing on it after all, any more.

This is called "engineer the crisis and then provide the solution". The crisis is setup like a con or trick. Trick or treat! Meaning, give me something or you will get penalized.

The "crisis" is you lose. The solution is "I win".

This is how negative civilizations actually think, although how they can create a civilization is another topic. Ferengi in the Star Trek universe perhaps? Most people can grasp it, although some cannot accept it in their heart, because they rely on a different mode of deal making.

So some people can see both sides of the situation, while others can only see one side of the equation. There are extremes on either side, but the middle path requires neutrality and objective observation skills.

This is often why the ancients had a saying "get a thief to catch a thief". Why? Because only a thief can think like a thief? Perhaps.

[Patrick]

Our problem is that we try to be like the Ferengi to a certain point but not all the way. This creates confusion in people. The concept of money cannot be used positively ultimately, because it creates social stratas. Yet most people are trying to do so anyway.

In the end this planet is just not embracing STS properly. That is why 4d positive is establishing itself here. Not because we embraced positivity, but because we rejected negativity.

[Ymarsakar]

The reason for that is because the harvest is for both positive or negative. Either one is considered a success by the Council of Saturn.

However, being lukewarm, just creates a pit and bottlenecks the progress of the spirits on both sides. Because they can't go back to the Infinite Creator if they are lukewarm. They have to choose a polarity and do the work correctly for each polarity.

The reason for the STS is not to create negative harvest in general. It is to keep people in the Wheel of Karma, reincarnating as recycled batteries. And the reason for positive, is the awakening of the people to what they live under. If people did not become aware of the deception, they would still be distracted by sports games, where Red team vs Blue team fulfills the desire.

There are specific steps or tests to judge whether a person or civilization has achieved certain parts of the octave spectrum. Q'uo mentioned the initiation tests for the chakras. But this time, the entire world is going through an initiation and a test. But a test has different consequences for different answers, and not all answers are correct.

This waxxine can be considered the ultimate test. People's free will is being tested plus their decisions are being tested. People think they know what the answers are yes... but the test answers are not revealed until the test is over. Otherwise, it would be unfair as some people fail/pass the test early because they took it early. If those people then copy the answers and give it to the people still taking the test, that would invalidate the test. So the Law of Confusion and the Veil of Maya stops that from working.

The free will to know is protected. The free will not to know is protected. Yeshua sometimes said that certain things were not told to the religious authorities to avoid them using it to save themselves. They are free not to know. Not to know how to save themselves. However, during his day, even his apostles did not know for sure before and right after the crucifixion. T hey had doubts. They fled in fear of the Romans finding them. Except John and Mary. This is exemplary faith, but most of the apostles lacked it at that time. So they didn't know for sure.

If people knew for sure... it wouldn't be much of a test would it?

[David_1]

   Suppose the primary purpose of the maxxines is to reduce the population.  (This was likely one reason for creating the mirus.)  Then signs of their effects probably would not show up for three to six months.  There are quite a few examples of deaths within hours or days, but the percentage is small, so logic would say most would overlook them.
   The longer term intended effects might include sterility so that producing offspring will not be possible.  Or the effects might include sufficient DNA modifications that physical death occurs earlier than would be normal.
   Is it possible that a major goal is reducing the spiritual connection to the positive by offering fear and subjugation to those who choose not to take maxxines?
   We do not know the answers.

[Patrick]

Not being able to produce 3d babies is just going to speed up 4d.  STS wants to extract all they can until it's no longer possible.  Why would they want to bring4th faster ?

[Patrick]

For a choice to matter to the whole entity, awareness of intent is required.  If people cannot in anyway see a relationship in between taking the vaccine and any spiritual consequences, then such a choice is meaningless spiritually (if someone takes it with the intent of protecting others, the whole self will even see this as a positive action).

[STAR-ONE]

   Suppose the primary purpose of the maxxines is to reduce the population.  (This was likely one reason for creating the mirus.)  Then signs of their effects probably would not show up for three to six months.  There are quite a few examples of deaths within hours or days, but the percentage is small, so logic would say most would overlook them.
   The longer term intended effects might include sterility so that producing offspring will not be possible.  Or the effects might include sufficient DNA modifications that physical death occurs earlier than would be normal.
   Is it possible that a major goal is reducing the spiritual connection to the positive by offering fear and subjugation to those who choose not to take maxxines?
   We do not know the answers.

I will say yes the orion negatives are trying to take as many entities as possible towards negative 4th density, remember Ra said that at one point (I don't know where sorry) that if a planet was conquered by the orion group and who would therefore be part of the empire, then free will would be restored and a massive landing (with their ships for example) would be possible.

Remember that their main objectives are: enslavement and enslavement of others ... Now, this is precisely the plans of the new world order with the old schwab in mind.

Make no mistake my friends, their Machiavellian plans are well underway and nothing seems to stop them for the moment hence my questioning on the confederation oriented positively and their hypothetical come to the aid. You are of course free to believe it, to take the vaccine ect, to believe in this pseudo pandemic, to think that the 5g, the curfews and the closing of businesses and mass unemployment are just bullshit and conspiracy theories, I have enough knowledge to tell me that all this stinks for miles and that we are going to go through difficult times.

[STAR-ONE]

==> https://guyboulianne.com/2021/03/09/proj...rnational/

"I hope the reader will have understood that the global coup d'état carried out by the globalist elites and their minions, i.e. the puppet politicians, has been set like clockwork and is being executed with precision. of a silversmith. The strategy consists of a few steps: unleash an endless bacteriological war; restrict the comings and goings of the population; remove identity and silence each individual; cause the closure and bankruptcy of small and medium-sized enterprises; to ruin people and make them beg for their bread; eliminate part of the population through a eugenic operation; inoculating nano-technological particles into each individual through compulsory vaccination; deploy 5G, robotics, electronic surveillance and artificial intelligence technologies; impose a vaccination record without which no one will be able to buy, sell or travel; imprison dissidents and recalcitrants in camps designed for this purpose; offer a universal basic income to docile citizens according to a “meritocratic” scheme.

One of the last steps will be to establish the "social credit" system as it already exists in China and which will lock individuals into a digital matrix from which they cannot escape, which will infallibly lead humanity as a whole. whole to its total enslavement."

[David_1]

The negative plans as STAR-ONE wrote above.
I strongly suspect they will not be successful.

[STAR-ONE]

The negative plans as STAR-ONE wrote above.
I strongly suspect they will not be successful.

How are you going to stay out of this? do you see or whatever, movements / actions / personality of power that intends to stop all this? Do you think the members of the Confederacy will infringe on free will and come to our aid? I hope so with all my heart, but for the moment it's a question of being realistic and preparing for all of this!

[Ohr Ein Sof]

Our problem is that we try to be like the Ferengi to a certain point but not all the way. This creates confusion in people. The concept of money cannot be used positively ultimately, because it creates social stratas. Yet most people are trying to do so anyway.

In the end this planet is just not embracing STS properly. That is why 4d positive is establishing itself here. Not because we embraced positivity, but because we rejected negativity.

There is little we can do about the spiritual misalignment with money and its consequences when misused. But like any means of energetic systems, they can be used for the highest good (money in particular) and in determining what is best for the individual using it while here in 3rd density; the great soap opera of the entire universe.
We are here...we are with STS individuals who use money to ensnare us, they use ideology to do so, they will use medicine to do so. Like many have said, we are responsible for our individual discernment on such matters. A balanced approach to me IS NOT... well they manufactured the virus, therefore let us partake in their manufactured cure. That just seems naive to me.
By the way, we can be skeptical of their engineered poetics orchestrated for humanity by the STS polarizing individuals. It is ok to question to the enth degree.
And if we continue to speak about it and share varying opinions and observations, then not all has been said, discussed or covered as of yet. The thread dies once that happens.
I understand your willingness to bow out of the discussion, as according to yourself, you have given all that can be given in terms of service. And I thank you for your service of which you have provided and of your perspective on an issue with great concerns to many.

[Patrick]

There is no doubt that I am naïve.  Even a fool.  Yet I like it this way.  I threw my cards in the air ten years ago.  Now I trust the Universe.  Nothing fear-based is getting to me much.  I believe in Love's plan and am doing my best to be the most useful instrument for the One.

From this perspective, I also look at things from an evidence-based point of view and mix it all up into compassionate-wisdom.  I came to the conclusions that I already shared multiple times.

The narrative of all the popular conspiracies of the moment are actually pushed by the STS elites.  I don't know how they managed to convince those who are our most critical thinkers, but they did.  Their false flag operation is being gobbled up quite well.  Their goal is to slow down social reforms that does not work in their favor.

They are somewhat successful, as we can see by all the people whom are becoming afraid of socialism. But since there is no stopping positive 4d from instreaming, there is no stopping the social reforms that goes with it.

In summary, I believe pretty much the contrary, like 180 degrees, of what many here believes regarding the arrow of causality for what we observe happening in our world right now.

I am a fool in love with optimism, but all the crazy positive things I predicted since the '80s came to pass.  My friends of old are still reeling from some of it when they think back.  This crisis is not going to be any different, mark my foolish words, this WILL all end up positively for humanity.

[Diana]

For a choice to matter to the whole entity, awareness of intent is required.  If people cannot in anyway see a relationship in between taking the vaccine and any spiritual consequences, then such a choice is meaningless spiritually (if someone takes it with the intent of protecting others, the whole self will even see this as a positive action).

I agree. However, the self's beliefs and the self's intentions must be aligned to have the full effect. My point of view only here.

If a person wants to be of service in this situation, and the intent is to protect others (and let's not forget that the self is an other as well, or there is separation between self and others), then that intention will have a polarizing effect; but if the person, in the back of his/her mind, has doubts about the effectiveness of the vaccine whatever those doubts are, then there is a conflict with the intention making it less powerful. This concept is true in life in general, whereby ingrained and subconscious belief systems conflict with our conscious thoughts and actions.

This is why individual discernment is so important in my view. Part of the transition we are looking at here from 3D to 4D involves transparency. Transparency manifests first and foremost between the conscious and the unconscious mind. It is the path of the Adept to "marry" these two parts of self, to align them, to remove the barriers between them. This is demonstrated in the Archetypes. This is part of my interpretation, below, of the Significator of the Spirit:

[Diana]

There is no doubt that I am naïve.  Even a fool.  Yet I like it this way.  I threw my cards in the air ten years ago.  Now I trust the Universe.  Nothing fear-based is getting to me much.  I believe in Love's plan and am doing my best to be the most useful instrument for the One.

From this perspective, I also look at things from an evidence-based point of view and mix it all up into compassionate-wisdom. 

That's awesome. 

We do not need to convince each other that the information presented is the correct information. It's enough to present it. Although for people who are activists, then action would be part of their path. I find different points of view and interpretations of events and situations interesting. Ultimately, I must, as we all must, follow the path we forge for ourselves, after we realize that we are indeed forging our own paths, whether by omission or conscious decisions.

[flofrog]

I am like Patrick. For whatever obscure reason to me, I have this completely ingrained optimism in me like steel that it will end up positively for humanity and our planet. So weird and yet so strong.

[Ymarsakar]

Almost every single individual offering their input here has been partially correct.

As many psychics and other sources have remarked on, there are positive human/ET influences and negative ones.

"The negative plans as STAR-ONE wrote above.
I strongly suspect they will not be successful.

How are you going to stay out of this? do you see or whatever, movements / actions / personality of power that intends to stop all this? Do you think the members of the Confederacy will infringe on free will and come to our aid? I hope so with all my heart, but for the moment it's a question of being realistic and preparing for all of this!"

David and Star one are both correct.

Diana, Flofrog, and Patrick are all correct.

The one that is most correct is Diana, because she has the neutral "see both sides" standing pov.

Star asks an appropriate question. If the situation is as dire as this, what hope is there?

That depends on the pov. Recently I was made aware that Marvel Studios made Infinity War and End Game. Well, we are in the End Game, and it looks like there are just a few of us up against the finger snapper that can wipe out half of the universe, heh?

I don't know how intentional it was, but it was perfect for 2019, because that was just one year from 2020.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfR-YrFgM4U

This is quite an interesting conflict. With many ups and downs. All the white and black wizards, all the allied and enemy fleets, all the heroes and villains.

Of course I am referring to Earth not a movie.

So yes, I see a lot of different factions and powers at work here, Star. As a hint, you can take a look at the opposition. Whatever power they have, is reflected in our side as well, otherwise it would be uneven. They just are not very visible at this time or place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbIjdaD_HV4 This video explains what unity consciousness is and where people are at. So there are people who see part of the puzzle, but not the whole puzzle.

"The narrative of all the popular conspiracies of the moment are actually pushed by the STS elites. I don't know how they managed to convince those who are our most critical thinkers, but they did. Their false flag operation is being gobbled up quite well. Their goal is to slow down social reforms that does not work in their favor.

They are somewhat successful, as we can see by all the people whom are becoming afraid of socialism. But since there is no stopping positive 4d from instreaming, there is no stopping the social reforms that goes with it."

Usually, the conspiracies come from the STS, the attempt to put them into the light comes from channelers and psychics and the Confederation sources such as iamraw and Q'uo. The narrative is then superimposed from above, to distract people or to lower their vibrations, but much of the narrative has also been clarified by positive light workers, unified consciousness observers, and other factions at work like the Golden Dawn or other occult organizations.

Neither socialism nor capitalism will be necessary in 4.5 density, because both are incomplete systems born of an STS civilization and world. In order to enter into 4.4 or 4.5, people have to give up their old traditions and institutions. That's not baggage that you can take with you. This is just the human mind trying to come up with rationalizations, reasons, or excuses but intuition is intuition. It is not based on evidence because it does not need evidence.

When the Confederation, even Q'uo', answers multiple times that there is an organized intent to reduce the population, this is not a "theory". America making UFOs in Mexico, is not a "theory". A theory is an attempt to explain or rationalize an observed phenomenon or set of data. So the theory would be "America has UFOs because something crashed". A theory would be "Q'uo is incorrect or hiding something". That would be the theory.

Personally, I and "we", appreciate all those who are awakened, whether partially or not. They are useful. Their energies are used for the Divine Plan, even if they don't know how and are often distracted by this world's shenanigans. The Confederation are limited in what they can do due to the Galactic Codex or prime directive guidance spiritually, but there are many incarnated here, including those of Ra's collective, that can exercise our free will to do many things.

The dark says: They have the freedom not to know

The light says : They have the freedom to know

Well, we got a problem here. Who is going to win? For those that want to know what this story is, I recommend looking at the Hero's Journey. https://thesimpletarot.com/tarot-heros-journey/ Tarot included.

[ScottK]

   Is it possible that a major goal is reducing the spiritual connection to the positive by offering fear and subjugation to those who choose not to take maxxines?
   We do not know the answers.

No, not fear and subjugation. Watch this youtube.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lzIC-oH_P6c

This is similar to when the CIA got into drug trafficking. They started trafficking drugs in the Vietnam war to give the Vietcong a huge supply of drugs so they would get hooked on drugs and would be ineffective fighters. Of course, the dark side of the CIA started giving drugs to our side, to get them hooked on drugs and create a brand new, endless dark money source.

Funvax was designed to be given to fundamentalist muslims to stop terrorist acts, but has now been used on our population.

[Ymarsakar]

https://phibetaiota.net/2020/02/arthur-f...term=Email

The details about the history of "virus" and diseases, is coming out into the open. This should be welcomed. Information that was quarantined from us, except through psychic channeling and telepathy, is now coming out in the news.

This is part of humanity's Hero Journey plot. Wouldn't it be boring otherwise? Skipping to the end where the Confederation arrives, isn't that just a deus ex machina plot?

[Louisabell]

I wonder what would make an organisation classed as STS in third density. Are we talking about a pharmaceutical company? Would everyone who works there have to be STS polarised, or would there just have to be over a certain percentage? And what about the shareholders? Would anyone invested in these companies also be included in this STS organisation? Corporations do work on a hierarchy, as is customary to maximise productivity, but could it be called strictly a STS hierarchy if participation (employment) is voluntary and based on a (relative) meritocracy, considering people are hired based on their experience and demonstrated skills?

Ra gives a description of how a true STS organisation operates below:

87.8 Questioner: A reflection of this could be seen in our density in many of those leaders that instigate war and have followers who support, in total conviction that the direction of conquest is correct. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. Any organization which demands obedience without question upon the basis of relative power is functioning according to the above-described plan.

How can scientific research be conducted if one must be obedient without questioning the chain of command? One must learn to think for one’s self.

I suppose I ask these questions because I see a lot of assumptions being made in this thread that entire corporations or governments are automatically STS organisations, which I don’t think can be accurate at all in a third density experience. For sure, some people are tempted to class themselves as being within the ‘elite’, and therefore separate from others, conducting their affairs from this perspective. And maybe a small percentage of these people will take this perspective “all the way” (if you know what I mean). But I wonder if it is also a “knee-jerk” reaction to then create a sort of self-stylised elitism in our own minds as a form of retaliation, where we believe we know much better, that we are the harbingers of the real truth, giving us defences from those “bad” elites “out there”.

In my experience, after working with some people in high positions of power in both the academic and private sectors, I found many of those people to be less elitist and more of the hyper-productive workaholic sort. They lose themselves in their work, either for the escapism in it or the love of it. And what a gift these people offer the rest of us, keeping our complex civilisation-maintaining systems running day and night! I’ve done work experience in a medical lab, the great scientific minds at work there were a marvel to behold. It’s just so hard for me to dismiss D&D departments at pharmaceutical companies as being STS in nature...

And even with the reality of there being elites in this world, Ra specifies that even these people justify their actions by trying to do “what they believe is best” for the rest of us.

50.6 Questioner: Could you give an example of negative polarization sharing love of self? It would seem to me that that would deplete negative polarization. Could you expand on that concept?

Ra: I am Ra. We may not use examples of known beings due to the infringement this would cause. Thus we must be general.

The negatively oriented being will be one who feels that it has found power that gives meaning to its existence precisely as the positive polarization does feel. This negative entity will strive to offer these understandings to other-selves, most usually by the process of forming the elite, the disciples, and teaching the need and rightness of the enslavement of other-selves for their own good. These other-selves are conceived to be dependent upon the self and in need of the guidance and the wisdom of the self.

You could interpret the above as simply that negatives think enslavement is a good thing, but I believe it is more nuanced than that. I believe a big missing piece at the heart of the negative path is faith in the Creator and faith that we are all on a path back home to the Creator. Truly the negative has decided to walk away from their guiding star, from their higher self, and is going their own way. They can only project their own reality onto others, and so, when they look out they see a sea of confused entities moving towards more and more entropy. And so, they must step in and take the place of what (for them) is missing. The world is but a mirror to the self. Sometimes what they do is helpful, sometimes it is very bad. We must use our own discernment.

There is no doubt that I am naïve.  Even a fool.  Yet I like it this way.  I threw my cards in the air ten years ago.  Now I trust the Universe.  Nothing fear-based is getting to me much.  I believe in Love's plan and am doing my best to be the most useful instrument for the One.

And what greater freedom is there on offer in third density? With faith, there is nothing that can touch you. The only true power that STS has is getting in between the self’s relationship to the Creator, and even that is an illusion, for there is no greater love than that shared between the Creator and his/her created.  

[Agua]

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[Patrick]

...And, sorry, I do not polarize positively when I rape a woman because I tell myself „she wa ts it“ or „needs it“...

It's not what I understand intent to be.  What you described is someone lying to themselves.  The intent I am talking about works in reverse.  You first set your intention, then you let go of how it's going to manifest and it will come to you.

So for this example, the person would first set the intent to serve women positively in what they need/want most, then it will come to you how to act.  I would be very surprised if that act is rape.  But we never know.

In any case, it is by the fruits of your actions that you see if your actions were really aligned with your intent.  If the woman is not happy with what you did, then you know you fell for your little-self's whims instead of really acting on your intent on behalf of the Universe.

[Agua]

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[zedro]

I wonder what would make an organisation classed as STS in third density. Are we talking about a pharmaceutical company? Would everyone who works there have to be STS polarised, or would there just have to be over a certain percentage? And what about the shareholders? Would anyone invested in these companies also be included in this STS organisation? .........

......

How can scientific research be conducted if one must be obedient without questioning the chain of command? One must learn to think for one’s self.

I suppose I ask these questions because I see a lot of assumptions being made in this thread that entire corporations or governments are automatically STS organisations, which I don’t think can be accurate at all in a third density experience.

It doesn't matter really, what is relevant is what's at the top, the controllers who have the intent, who understand the over arching plan. Those within the system can certainly be STO, which is perfect, because it legitimizes the operation, can potentially depolarize them (thru karmic circumstances) and unknowingly promotes the agenda in good faith. But the consequences of the deception is all the same, and multi-tiered to those working within and without.

The Manhattan project (first A bomb) was designed and created with very few people knowing what they were working on, and certainly were not aware of the intent and implications. If Oppenheimer was traumatized (allegedly) by his creation, imagine all those engineers and technicians who had no idea what they were working on, and as far as they knew at the time, they were helping to stop the war, a most Noble cause one would think. This is how most military advanced industrial projects work, most are so compartmentalized that they have very little clue on what they are ultimately participating in. Alot of them are very patriotic, and believe they are on the side of righteousness and God/Jesus (some just want to feed their families and don't care otherwise). Now whether this makes those people STS or STO directional is besides the point, the important part is the wizards behind the curtain, and how they are controlling and impacting society. But on the individual level, you can still be a participant (edit: not meaning complicit) in a STS system (or STS civilisation) and still be STO. However not understanding your role in such can have karmic implications, which only your higher self(ves) will understand.