Was Evil invented by mistake ?

[Aion]

Aion I really appreciate your use of quotes and insight.
Seems I should do a reread.

Honestly I don't even really read it much anymore except when I'm going for quotes but for whatever reason my mind reaches to it for references.
I think because it's so closely aligned with my natural thoughts that my brain is like "well why reinvent the wheel, Ra said this perfectly".

I like when I go for a quote and then see one that I forgot about and then I end up going for a hunt and reading a bunch.

I actually tend to use the search function of lawofone.info a lot. I find it a lot more interesting to look up particular words and see the different things said.
That's how I pull most of my quotes actually, like the previous post where I talk about pain I literally just put "pain" in the search to find what I was looking for.
Usually I'll have an at least vague idea of the thing Ra said and could paraphrase but I prefer to use it as a chance to double check that I am remembering correctly.

[Aion]

I find the word evil has so many underlying connotations which maybe aren’t helpful or truly reflective.

Perhaps it’s easier to see it with less bias when it’s called seperation or perhaps that’s me wanting to dilute/sugar coat the extremes the experience of separation can be.

Either way since the one separated into two, each carry a loss of unity and that is more than enough wound/loss/shadow to fuel any experience of STS or STO exploration. It does all come back to a shadow of a wound. That’s why all goes back to 1, reunion. The path of separation ends.

That's probably a large part of why Ra used "service to self" and "service to others" rather than good or evil.

I prefer not to use it myself, but try to reflect the language of those I am speaking with.

But I think you're right on track here, I would agree.

[Glow]

Aion I really appreciate your use of quotes and insight.
Seems I should do a reread.

Honestly I don't even really read it much anymore except when I'm going for quotes but for whatever reason my mind reaches to it for references.
I think because it's so closely aligned with my natural thoughts that my brain is like "well why reinvent the wheel, Ra said this perfectly".

I like when I go for a quote and then see one that I forgot about and then I end up going for a hunt and reading a bunch.

I actually tend to use the search function of lawofone.info a lot. I find it a lot more interesting to look up particular words and see the different things said.
That's how I pull most of my quotes actually, like the previous post where I talk about pain I literally just put "pain" in the search to find what I was looking for.
Usually I'll have an at least vague idea of the thing Ra said and could paraphrase but I prefer to use it as a chance to double check that I am remembering correctly.

I hear ya. I have been reading lots of other stuff the last few years. Enjoyed it but never have that choked up experience I get from Ra. The resonance at deep truth is so amazing. I don’t know why I bother reading other stuff. Maybe I will use the search more frequently too.

. Thanks again. I needed the reminder.

[Aion]

Here is a case of finding a quote I forgot about.

46.9 Questioner: Certainly.

Ra: The entity polarizing positively perceives the anger. This entity, if using this catalyst mentally, blesses and loves this anger in itself. It then intensifies this anger consciously in mind alone until the folly of this red-ray energy is perceived not as folly in itself but as energy subject to spiritual entropy due to the randomness of energy being used.

Positive orientation then provides the will and faith to continue this mentally intense experience of letting the anger be understood, accepted, and integrated with the mind/body/spirit complex. The other-self which is the object of anger is thus transformed into an object of acceptance, understanding, and accommodation, all being reintegrated using the great energy which anger began.

The negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complex will use this anger in a similarly conscious fashion, refusing to accept the undirected or random energy of anger and instead, through will and faith, funneling this energy into a practical means of venting the negative aspect of this emotion so as to obtain control over other-self, or otherwise control the situation causing anger.

Control is the key to negatively polarized use of catalyst. Acceptance is the key to positively polarized use of catalyst. Between these polarities lies the potential for this random and undirected energy creating a bodily complex analog of what you call the cancerous growth of tissue.

So coming back to my previous question of what might lead someone to being STS, perhaps powerlessness? Lack of control?

[Aion]

7.17 Questioner: I’m trying to understand how a group such as the Orion group would progress. I was of the opinion that a closer understanding of the Law of One created the condition of acceptability moving say from our third density to the fourth in our transition now, and I’m trying to understand how it would be possible, if you were in the Orion group, and pointed toward self-service, how you would progress, say, from the third density to the fourth. What learning would be necessary for that?

Ra: I am Ra. This is the last question of length for this instrument at this time.

You will recall that we went into some detail as to how those not oriented towards seeking service for others yet, nevertheless, found and could use the gateway to intelligent infinity. This is true at all densities in our octave. We cannot speak for those above us, as you would say, in the next quantum or octave of beingness. This is, however, true of this octave of densities. The beings are harvested because they can see and enjoy the light/love of the appropriate density. Those who have found this light/love, love/light without benefit of a desire for service nevertheless, by the Law of Free Will, have the right to the use of that light/love for whatever purpose. Also, it may be inserted that there are systems of study which enable the seeker of separation to gain these gateways.

This study is as difficult as the one which we have described to you, but there are those with the perseverance to pursue the study just as you desire to pursue the difficult path of seeking to know in order to serve.

The distortion lies in the fact that those who seek to serve the self are seen by the Law of One as precisely the same as those who seek to serve others, for are all not one? To serve yourself and to serve other is a dual method of saying the same thing, if you can understand the essence of the Law of One.

[AnthroHeart]

There is a theory that we have been everyone. So we have been evil too.

[Glow]

In the same vein of thought .

I have a very Christian friend that maintains if Judas(the one who betrayed Christ and led to his crusifiction ) isn’t able to get to heaven then she won’t go. In Christian theology the crusifiction led to Jesus dying for the sins of believers.

Sort of requires someone causing his crusifiction for that scheme to work, ??

One hand serving the other hand, sometimes STS behaviour is actually STO from a different vantage point. Probably always.

I was abused as a kid. Really abused, I’m not saying thanks at all, I know it happened because of others pain so can forgive. But in a way it made me who I am so was it really ONLY a bad thing?

While I’m not calling them STS the behaviour obviously was, but in another way it created light.
The deepest STS in my estimations do the same.

Great horrors and suffering increase the capacity, no they create the opportunity for extreme forgiveness, extreme compassion and extreme love. Great darkness calls forth great illumination.

Still I’m so over it in this m/b/s complex lol I know that’s illogical but goodness I need a minimum 40 year hug of only unity to refresh for a while . it’s all beautiful and horrible but I’d love a dream of just unity for a while.

Editing to add. I know the majority of people their injury doesn’t create light, just decades of pain and the cycle continues so obviously I don’t have the equation cracked.
Law of confussion I suppose.

[Minyatur]

The way I see it, as we are all One there is more of an illusion of choice than actual choices. Every choice then simply allows an understanding of what we are and the distortion/illusion of free will is the predestination in which the Creator will know Itself in its entirety. You cannot be above the choice of another, simply in the thought of differing biases that lead you to a different choice.

Like Ra says, you are everything and that is unity. In my view, our outer reality is our teacher and learning, in the positive sense, is acceptance of what is and thus acceptance of yourself. I always had this idea that the STS path is a path which at its core has a deep sense of separation from self with the self, something the self cannot forgive or accept within itself and turns away from its core nature. Then again, maybe that's just the reality in which our Logos has a bias toward kindness, perhaps in a different 2D environment where the predator/prey dynamic would be pushed further, where species would perhaps not have a strong compassionate bond toward their kind in their instincts, then all beings would naturally have a bias toward growth in power in 3D. Then this betrayal of the self that I linked to the STS path in this current experience, is maybe more of a betrayal of this Logos's bias toward kindness. I would not be surprised that there is a distant Octave that is the antithesis of this one and that this Octave's harvest is instead rooted in service to self. Then at some point, perhaps the veil has also been discovered allowing the discovery of service to others as a mean to deepen the understanding of service to self through others, but which needs to be reverted back from to harvest. Earlier in this thread I spoke about infinite opportunity being the principle given in the material that allows all possibility/probability complex as having an existence, so I think the Creator really does make all choices in an equal fashion as all intelligent thoughts that can create a bias toward a choice can be discovered and known. If our Logos did not have a bias toward kindness, perhaps humans would suffer much less within the same type of system and that would be well also. I have found that this Earthly experience has a strong intended thematic of growth through struggle, probably because the Logos knows that the Creator appreciates this type of growth once it reaps the fruits of it. A mountain top is much less enjoyable without the transformative journey to it. It can still be great, definitely, but not as great.

Outside of evil, a lot in this thread is about suffering, but it is not like humans created suffering nor did the veil put it in place. Suffering is its own part of nature, remove all of humanity and 3D experience from Earth and you will still have animals that hunt other animals, hurt meaninglessly other animals, have accidents and became stranded to die alone, perhaps of a fever or lack of food. Humans are a whole lot in the image of the nature from which they come, simply wielding a different level of power and without natural predators to balance them out on the short term. Then again, the entire idea of 3D is to allow a place for the Creator to have the honor/duty to learn as this role within such a planet, to make its mistakes and grow through them in the eternal discovery of the Creator as the Creator.

[flofrog]

I love that, Minyatur,

always had this idea that the STS path is a path which at its core has a deep sense of separation from self with the self, something the self cannot forgive or accept within itself and turns away from its core nature.

[Patrick]

There is a theory that we have been everyone. So we have been evil too.

There is no one else.  We could imagine being a single core CPU doing multi-threading.  It gives the illusion of executing things in parallel, but the CPU advances each thread's workload one at a time.

So it could be that when we go to sleep, the single Creator switches to running a different entity for a little while, and it does that with all particles of the multiverse before coming back to running your thread and you start another day.  A near infinite amount of time passed between each of your days in the incarnation.

And since there is no time and just an eternal present, it all seems to be happening simultaneously.  All those parts of the Creator interacting with each others and each one being ran individually by the only consciousness that exists, that of the One Infinite Creator.

I know it doesn't really work like that, but it helps a computer programmer, like myself, to understand the Law of One better.

[Patrick]

What I find weird, is that STS cannot be chosen without the veil, BUT it continues to be the choice of STS entities even after the veil is removed in 4th density.

Without the veil, in the entire Creation, absolutely no entities wishes to do things at the expanse of others for their own benefit.  Because without the veil we can all see the consequences of our choices before making them.

Yet once a veiled entity has truly made the choice of STS and gets to 4D, they can see the consequences of their choices, but then they continue to make those choices that were unthinkable and even unimagined before.

Once in 4d, STS believes green-ray is folly.  I wonder if there are Logoi whom are testing entities that believes yellow-ray is folly or other rays ?  Maybe general AI is testing what it is to have only the first 3 rays to work with without ever being able to contact intelligent infinity.  A self-aware entity without the spirit complex and without green, blue and indigo energy centers.

[Aion]

83.16 Questioner: What techniques and methods of penetration of the veil were planned and are there any others that have occurred other than those planned?

Ra: I am Ra. There were none planned by the first great experiment. As all experiments, this rested upon the nakedness of hypothesis. The outcome was unknown. It was discovered, experientially and empirically, that there were as many ways to penetrate the veil as the imagination of mind/body/spirit complexes could provide. The desire of mind/body/spirit complexes to know that which was unknown drew to them the dreaming and the gradual opening to the seeker of all of the balancing mechanisms leading to adepthood and communication with teach/learners which could pierce this veil.

The various unmanifested activities of the self were found to be productive in some degree of penetration of the veil. In general, we may say that by far the most vivid and even extravagant opportunities for the piercing of the veil are a result of the interaction of polarized entities.

[Aion]

I think all too often the focus is on one side or the other when it's actually the interaction between the two sides, like yin and yang, that are what yields the fruits of the Creator.

[Aion]

77.17 Questioner: Now, would it be possible for this work of our density to be performed if all of the sub-Logoi chose the same polarity in any particular expression or evolution of a Logos? Let us make the assumption that our sun created nothing but, through the first distortion, there was no product except positive polarity. Would work then be done in fourth density and higher as a function only of this positive polarization evolving from our original creation of sub-Logos?

Ra: I am Ra. Elements of this query illustrate the reason I was unable to answer your previous question without knowledge of the Logos involved. To turn to your question, there were Logoi which chose to set the plan for the activation of mind/body/spirit complexes through each true-color body without recourse to the prior application of free will. It is, to our knowledge, only in an absence of free will that the conditions of which you speak obtain. In such a procession of densities you find an extraordinarily long, as you measure time, third density; likewise, fourth density. Then, as the entities begin to see the Creator, there is a very rapid, as you measure time, procession towards the eighth density. This is due to the fact that one who knows not, cares not.

Let us illustrate by observing the relative harmony and unchanging quality of existence in one of your, as you call it, primitive tribes. The entities have the concepts of lawful and taboo, but the law is inexorable and all events occur as predestined. There is no concept of right and wrong, good or bad. It is a culture in monochrome. In this context you may see the one you call Lucifer as the true light-bringer in that the knowledge of good and evil both precipitated the mind/body/spirits of this Logos from the Edenic conditions of constant contentment but also provided the impetus to move, to work and to learn.

Those Logoi whose creations have been set up without free will have not, in the feeling of those Logoi, given the Creator the quality and variety of experience of Itself as have those Logoi which have incorporated free will as paramount. Thusly you find those Logoi moving through the timeless states at what you would see as a later space/time to choose the free will character when elucidating the foundations of each Logos.

[Patrick]

Do you believe that a minimally balanced entity could incarnate on Earth and live within the eye of the storm so to speak ?  Seeing the maelstrom all around but having peace within its sphere of influence ? 

Something like this quote from the Council of Nine channeling.

There is balance within all. What causes the great dissension is a similar situation to putting together matter and anti-matter. They cannot mingle, they cannot mix in harmony, they cannot blend, they become destructive to each other

[Ymarsakar]

It occurs to me that Evil might have been invented by mistake.  I know there are no mistakes, so instead let's say it was invented by surprise then.

My intuition tells me that The One Infinite Creator (Love) does indeed exist even without a polar opposite (Fear).

As Ra says in 77.19:

...The, shall we say, saga of polarity, its consequences and limits, were unimagined until experienced...

I do not believe the intent of that Logos was to create evil/fear when the veil was invented.  So I believe Evil was pretty much invented by mistake.  Of course, now that STS does exist, we make the better of it, we learn from it and use it to contrast God's Love with it so that we see how great his Love is.  There was no need/intent to contrast it to that extent.

My hope now is that there will be no need to repeat this type of experience in the next Octave.  Imagine trying to invent ways of contrasting the true nature of the Creator with even more separation, fear, suffering and sorrow than what is already possible in this octave.

So, for the next octave, I cast my vote for a design where all experiences are ALWAYS fun.  There has to be ways of contrasting/polarizing efficiently without STS.  Things we can't even imagine at the moment.

My friends, what are your thoughts on the subject ?

Evil was a byproduct of free will. Thus it was unknown, and yes a surprise. But for an eternal entity, most things are Boring, so surprises are welcome.

The problem is that STS has gotten so paranoid of the Creation/Creator, that they continue to fight and resist, when Resistance is futile. All their diversity and experiences will be added to the collective and merged into One. Their Resistance is futile. Yet they resist. Why? Because they hate/fear the Light. They think it is the Borg.

Technically they the dark are the Borg, from a 3rd density pov, lol. But the STS is capped at 6th density power levels. How do you think you would feel, if you were the Klingons and then the Borg landed on you? And how would the Borg feel, if Q landed on the Borg? And how would Q feel, if the Elder Civilizations landed on Q? Lol

This is the "drama" so to speak of the play. If everything remained as One, it would be boring. Hence the surprise change.

[Ymarsakar]

The issue comes when you realize you can choose to be the spider or the fly. More interesting when you realize you are both.

What if I'd just rather be like a stegosaur or triceratops and say f*** you to the whole predator/prey dynamic...don't go out and eat others but don't just passively let myself or others I care about be eaten without a fight? If that's who I really am as a person in my heart and my principles, and I don't believe in the virtue of a system of predators and prey other than as an engine to generate misery...then am I not "good enough" to evolve in the polarity system? Am I an ignoramus in the sinkhole of indifference because I consciously cannot bring myself to conform to such a system that conflicts with my heart-centered and transcendent principles? To me, the sinkhole of indifference would be not knowing or caring there's a choice to be made. What about seeing two bad choices and consciously choosing an option that's neither?

I'm thinking maybe it's not as much a third divergent path, but more of a difference in how I define certain aspects of what it means to be STO. Out of STS and STO, I'd consider myself STO. I would like to express that in a way that does not automatically correspond to "prey" or "martyrdom". If that makes me a bit of a rebel in the eyes of the logos or whole polarity dynamic, so be it. Those are my principles, and no authority will coerce me to relinquish them to earn brownie points in some polarity game. If anything with my viewpoint or principles changes, it is of my own free will and volition, and because I've consciously seen a new perspective, not because I "have to" in order to fit some other being or system's definition of polarity progress.

Honestly, I'd rather be a symbiotic being in a win-win symbiotic system where everyone works together and doesn't "eat each other"-but if I'm forced to live in a reality where there is a predator/prey dynamic and I'm unable to fully realize that symbiotic way of life, than I'd at least rather be the stegosaur than some ravening wolf or pitiful sheep. I feel deep down that I've had enough life times as both to realize I don't want to be either.

https://prepareforchange.net/the-event/galactic-codex/

While this is not exactly what the divine codex rules are for higher density 4th density golden ages are, but it is close enough. Earth will transition into it before 2025.

[Diana]

Outside of evil, a lot in this thread is about suffering, but it is not like humans created suffering nor did the veil put it in place. Suffering is its own part of nature, remove all of humanity and 3D experience from Earth and you will still have animals that hunt other animals, hurt meaninglessly other animals, have accidents and became stranded to die alone, perhaps of a fever or lack of food. Humans are a whole lot in the image of the nature from which they come, simply wielding a different level of power and without natural predators to balance them out on the short term. Then again, the entire idea of 3D is to allow a place for the Creator to have the honor/duty to learn as this role within such a planet, to make its mistakes and grow through them in the eternal discovery of the Creator as the Creator.

*sigh*

This bypasses any responsibility or accountability on the part of humans. Of course humans have created certain kinds of suffering. If they didn't, who did? Some other entity? Or maybe it just popped out of nowhere. 

Yes, nature is cruel, or more accurately, neutral. Nature is just the system, as the veil is our system. Yes animals may suffer in the ways you have mentioned, but how does that compare to the intentional suffering animals are put through in laboratories when they are experimented on? Are not humans responsible for that suffering?

Can we change nature? Unlikely. Can we change humanity's cruelty to other life forms through awareness and evolution of consciousness? Yes (I certainly hope so).

[Patrick]

 
Is it possible that animals did not attack other animals before this planet was influenced negatively by us ?  Or maybe Orion was even influencing second density on this planet before 3D began ?

[Diana]

 
Is it possible that animals did not attack other animals before this planet was influenced negatively by us ?  Or maybe Orion was even influencing second density on this planet before 3D began ?

I have wondered that myself.

[Aion]

 
Is it possible that animals did not attack other animals before this planet was influenced negatively by us ?  Or maybe Orion was even influencing second density on this planet before 3D began ?

That idea seems to me more rooted in fear and separation from nature.
I grew up around and in a lot of thick forest and wilderness and I've only ever seen nature be unified in its interactions with itself, but of course, maybe I'm just seeing the corrupted nature?
Are you suggesting predators may have never existed? That seems like trying to break and control what you see rather than accept it.

It seems to me that your fear is of violence, but I would argue that violence is an inherit part of life as a creature. Birth is violent. Death is often violent. Why would life not include it?

We all have violence in our nature, even if in denial.

[Aion]

Animals view all as the self, since in second-density they have not individuated or become self-aware as self and other-self yet.
This sense of "us and them" is not there, when an interaction happens, it is all part of the ecosystem.

19.15 Questioner: Then the newest third-density beings who’ve just made the transition from second are still strongly biased towards self-service. There must be many other mechanisms to create an awareness of the possibility of service to others.
I am wondering, first— two things. I’m wondering about the mechanism and I am wondering when the split takes place where the entity is able to continue on the road towards service to self that will eventually take him to fourth or fifth density.
I would assume that an entity can continue— can start, say, in second density with service totally to self and continue right on through and just stay on what we would call the path of service to self and never ever be pulled over. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. The second-density concept of serving self includes the serving of those associated with tribe or pack. This is not seen in second density as separation of self and other-self. All is seen as self since in some forms of second-density entities, if the tribe or pack becomes weakened, so does the entity within the tribe or pack.

The new or initial third-density entity has this innocent, shall we say, bias or distortion towards viewing those in the family, the society, as you would call, perhaps, country, as self. Thus though a distortion not helpful for progress in third density, it is without polarity.

The break becomes apparent when the entity perceives other-selves as other-selves and consciously determines to manipulate other-selves for the benefit of the self. This is the beginning of the road of which you speak.

20.4 Questioner: Then can you give me an example of an entity in third density that was just previously a second-density entity? What type of entity do they become here?

Ra: I am Ra. As a second-density entity returns as third-density for the beginning of this process of learning, the entity is equipped with the lowest, if you will so call these vibrational distortions, forms of third-density consciousness; that is, equipped with self-consciousness.

21.9 Questioner: Now, when the 75,000-year cycle started, [the] life span was approximately nine hundred years, average. What was the process and scheduling of— mechanism, shall I say, of reincarnation at that time, and how did the time in between incarnations into third-density physical apply to the growth of the mind/body/spirit complex?

Ra: I am Ra. This query is more complex than most. We shall begin. The incarnation pattern of the beginning third-density mind/body/spirit complex begins in darkness, for you may think or consider of your density as one of, as you may say, a sleep and a forgetting. This is the only plane of forgetting. It is necessary for the third-density entity to forget so that the mechanisms of confusion or free will may operate upon the newly individuated consciousness complex.

Thus, the beginning entity is one in all innocence oriented towards animalistic behavior using other-selves only as extensions of self for the preservation of the all-self. The entity becomes slowly aware that it has needs, shall we say, that are not animalistic; that is, that are useless for survival. These needs include: the need for companionship, the need for laughter, the need for beauty, the need to know the universe about it. These are the beginning needs.

As the incarnations begin to accumulate, further needs are discovered: the need to trade, the need to love, the need to be loved, the need to elevate animalistic behaviors to a more universal perspective.

During the first portion of third-density cycles, incarnations are automatic and occur rapidly upon the cessation of energy complex of the physical vehicle. There is small need to review or to heal the experiences of the incarnation. As, what you would call, the energy centers begin to be activated to a higher extent, more of the content of experience during incarnation deals with the lessons of love.

Thus the time, as you may understand it, between incarnations is lengthened to give appropriate attention to the review and the healing of experiences of the previous incarnation. At some point in third density, the green-ray energy center becomes activated and at that point incarnation ceases to be automatic.

The reason I have a hard time believing that nature has ever not been eating itself (cause really, most of the violence in nature revolves around food and survival) is because this even occurs on a microorganism level which were the first lifeforms to form on the planet. Even plants compete with eachother and can be aggressive towards eachother for the sake of survival.

Perhaps we are idealizing a nature in which there is never any competition?

[Aion]

In Qabalah the world we exist in is called the World of Shells or the Qlippoth, also called Malkuth, the Kingdom. It is the world of the Inverted Deity and the realm of the demons of matter.

However, there is a key idea there in the "inversion of deity" in that this world is the "dark reflection" or shadow of the Light. As above, so below.

Unity is all there is.

Mind you, these are just my considerations and no one is expected to share them.

[Aion]

Found this interesting nugget:

42.3 Questioner: I will attempt to make an analogy. If an animal, shall I say a bull in a pen, attacks you because you have wandered into his pen, you get out of his way rapidly but you do not blame him. Or, you do not have much of an emotional response other than the fear response that he might damage you. However, if you encounter another self in his territory and he attacks you, your response may be more of an emotional nature creating physical bodily responses. Am I correct in assuming that when your response to the animal and to the other-self seeing both as the Creator and loving both and understanding their action in attacking you is the action of their free will then you have balanced yourself correctly in this area? Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is basically correct. However, the balanced entity will see in the seeming attack of an other-self the causes of this action which are, in most cases, of a more complex nature than the cause of the attack of the second-density bull as was your example. Thus this balanced entity would be open to many more opportunities for service to a third-density other-self.

[Patrick]

Yes I think I have an issue with violence.  Although, I don't have any issues playing violent video games or watching UFC.

Ok this might be the case for Earth.  But I suspect there is a way of having growth and life without it being at the expanse of others.  We might not have many example of this here and so it is harder to imagine.  But I intuit that it does exist.  If it does exist, then it might not be better or worst than the setup we have here, but since we are allowed to have our own personal preferences.    I think I would prefer to have an environment where life only depends on the first density elements and the light/love of the Logos for growth.  This should be technically feasible even for fast moving animals, using bio-batteries or something.

Somehow, I have to stop judging these things I find issue with.  It's not even touching my sphere of influence much.  It should be easy to just live and let live.  But it's like these apparent issues on this planet are calling for my help and at the same time all I believe I can offer is rejected.

So I find myself a bit lost.  Help being requested and what I think is being asked of me being rejected leaving me wondering what is actually asked of me?  Is this planet asking me to come here with my point of view and to change my point of view until the planet no longer feels judged by me?  Nothing on this planet would have been "fixed", but it would mean one less entity judging the planet and just loving it just as it is.  OR am I supposed to DO something in order to help?

[Aion]

Must you judge it to be of aid? Or perhaps your judgement is the service you offer?

An old idea is "if you want to know the universe, know man", or in otherwords know thyself.

I think if you want to come face to face with the things you are disturbed by in the world you will find them in yourself. Find your own violence and you may gain a better understanding of its role in the structure.

Remember, the great crux ansata is choice.

[AnthroHeart]

In this video he says that our Sub-Logos created Mars and Earth beings to have opposable thumbs,
which led to war. Venus beings didn't have opposable thumbs.

[Diana]

Somehow, I have to stop judging these things I find issue with.  It's not even touching my sphere of influence much.  It should be easy to just live and let live.  But it's like these apparent issues on this planet are calling for my help and at the same time all I believe I can offer is rejected.

So I find myself a bit lost.  Help being requested and what I think is being asked of me being rejected leaving me wondering what is actually asked of me?  Is this planet asking me to come here with my point of view and to change my point of view until the planet no longer feels judged by me?  Nothing on this planet would have been "fixed", but it would mean one less entity judging the planet and just loving it just as it is.  OR am I supposed to DO something in order to help?

I understand your quandary. I think, given the situation we have all come into here, any thinking person would go through the same questioning.

I also think that in saying you are judging things here, you may be semantically narrowing your intent to something that sounds very negative. You look around and you see violence, or war, or cruelty—and it doesn't resonate. I am pretty tired of people here saying if you mention something going on around you it is only a mirror. Perhaps on some level, the level of bringing it to your attention for whatever personal reason, this may be true. But for pete's sake, if our government has declared war on another country and they are sending young people there to kill, and you see it happening, is just a mirror? If you don't feel killing people in a war is a good thing, and you notice it because you can't NOT notice that your country has gone to war, are you just mirroring it to yourself and there is the end of the meaning of war? I get not wanting to get caught up in it; but I also think it's easy to say stay detached when people are dying and suffering in another country and you are safe and cozy at home. So therein lies the quandary I think—trying to balance this equation.

We could get into an existential argument over this with some members, but there must be some allowance for events to take place outside of one's self. Wanderers that come here from 6th density positive would not be warlike or resonate with killing people for profit.

So I find your questioning legitimate. And I don't think the best course is then to make you feel unevolved for questioning things that should be questioned.

[Patrick]

Is it at all possible not to judge?  I am pretty sure that it's possible to judge only for the self.  So then I probably should not share the results of my judgments unless asked?  Is the planet asking what I think?  Maybe it can only ask via other sub-sub-Logoi?  Or is it implicit that the planet is asking by allowing us to incarnate?

In the end, I really wish to share my opinions.  I guess I could just always share my opinion in the form of a question? 

Is there any point at all in being a witness down here if we're not going to share our opinion?

I probably can't please everyone at the same time with any opinion anyway?  And I probably don't even need to say anything to anyone at all for someone to feel judged by me?

Our thoughts are recorded in the astral and they are pretty much all opinions on things happening on this planet.  So the planet will have our opinions!  All of it!

...It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of other-selves...

The probabilities that my regular audience consists mostly of spiritual adepts is high.  Who else would find its way on this forum?  And if one's goal is to become an adept, then working on having less a need of sharing opinions would be helpful.  Simply because opinions would no longer be as useful to other fellow adepts.

Is it possible that an overactive blue-ray chakra results in this need to share opinions?  Or would that be due to a blockage instead?  In any case, it's a question of balance.

Humm, maybe it's not even a question of sharing opinions, but a question of caring about how it is received ?  If I did not worry about how it will be received (judged), I would find no issues at all with sharing?

[Diana]

I am not sure it is so much sharing as it is curiosity—trying to make sense of existence in order to maximize it, which is what the adept does. Even the adept, according to Ra, is still in shadow. So we continue to look for the best ways to navigate the mystery (or some of us do). The study of the archetypes "haunts rather than explicates" according to Ra, which is the study provided for the adept.

Certainly the intellect can be overactive, I imagine. Not sure what to do about that. I guess I could watch TV and numb my brain.