My take on masks.

[moyal]

...Authorities telling us to wear masks while having sex.  It should not prevent the energy transfer though, so that's that at least.  

They actually advocate mastrubation as the optimal solution.

[moyal]

...Statements like "solidarity with your community," "taking seriously the responsibility for keeping your community healthy," and "strong communal ethic" seem to indicate an inclination toward communism...

Not Communism, that would demand solidarity with international (global) 'proletariat'.
'Community above all' would be more völkish / national-socialistic.

But the point is that actually the 'mask-agenda' essentially aims at social isolation.

[curio_city]

...Statements like "solidarity with your community," "taking seriously the responsibility for keeping your community healthy," and "strong communal ethic" seem to indicate an inclination toward communism...

Not Communism, that would demand solidarity with international (global) 'proletariat'.
'Community above all' would be more völkish / national-socialistic.

But the point is that actually the 'mask-agenda' essentially aims at social isolation.

I think communism can be applied very ably to a group or community (hence the root of the word), though it is often a globalist agenda / mindset. Mask mandates and adherence to them seem more likely to create feelings of "us vs. them" and a willingness on the part of mask-wearers to serve a master; the master, in this case, being the ideology and its mouthpieces. The argument I present in the original post is that mask-wearing may not be in the best interest of everyone, and given that, in whose interest do we wear them?

[Jade]

Honestly, it's my opinion that if you think masks are a sign of oppression, you're probably in the lucky minority that has never actually experienced medical/governmental/societal oppression. If wearing a mask makes you feel uncomfortable, then it's your prerogative the make the choice that brings you the most comfort. However, Ra gives us a simple metric to express the polarity of each use of catalyst:

64.16 Questioner: Let us assume that a bodily distortion occurs within a particular entity who then has a choice of seeking allopathic aid or experiencing the catalyst of the distortion and not seeking correction of the distortion. Can you comment on [the] two possibilities for this entity and his analysis of each path?

Ra: I am Ra. If the entity is polarized towards service to others, analysis properly proceeds along the lines of consideration of which path offers the most opportunity for service to others.

For the negatively polarized entity the antithesis is the case.

For the unpolarized entity the considerations are random and most likely in the direction of the distortion towards comfort.

[Spaced]

I like how, based on one post saying essentially that I think wearing a mask is nice because it shows that you care about the people in your society, I can be labelled both a communist and a fascist   . Shows how far gone political thought is these days.

I'm not a fan of authoritarianism, I'd rather people do things because it's the right thing to do and not because they are told. In my opinion, if there is a global pandemic involving a respiratory illness, the right thing to do is wear a mask. Even if you don't believe in the effecacity of the masks, or the danger of the virus, why not show some respect to those who might be at risk or may have lost a loved one to this disease? The other option is to disregard those people and cynically deny it all as a hoax, possibly increasing the risk of the disease spreading and causing more death. I've even seen people go so far as to attack retail workers or spit on them when told to wear a mask in a store. Which option shows more compassion?

As well, the observation that "individualism and personal choice... placed above the needs of society" is to a country's detriment raises some important questions. Namely, what liberties do you feel should be abrogated for the supposed good of the community? Is there any indication in the Law of One that individuals of our density should be inclined toward community over individual? Do you see "service to others" as solidarity with a community?

I think the individual should be free to do as they will so long as it does no harm to others. The only time I feel that any kind of mandate should be handed down from a position of authority is in crisis situations. In those cases it's helpful to have a unified response guided by experts rather than a free-for-all.

One of the goals of the third density experience is to form a social memory complex, which is an egalitarian social organization where everyone is acting in accord with the good of the social group. Yes, solidarity with your community is precisely service to others.

Unfortunately this all seems alien to us as we've been raised in a society that is oriented to make it easier for service to self polarized individuals to climb to the top of the social hierarchy and amass hoards of wealth at the expense of those on the bottom of the hierarchy and we've been taught that that is what freedom is.

[Diana]

I do think there are two issues at hand that seem to be getting enmeshed:

1. Wearing a mask as a STO person. This is what I do. I have absolutely no fear of the virus, but I know others do, so out of respect I wear a mask when out.

2. The corrupt STS governments and authorities in this world. This can't be ignored. There are many possible conspiracy or opportunistic dark scenarios (such as taking advantage of this new level of compliance from the public) which have emerged from this situation. I say possible. Because we get no truth from the corrupt "newstainment" media.

So, I think the question is, for someone spiritually minded, when to be involved. This is always the question. How far into the maelstrom does a person want to be caught up? And does a person want to completely ignore it all and just be an observer here? Does freedom matter to a person?

In addition, I think it's fine to have any opinion and discuss it here. I think lines get crossed when people are "absolutist."

I will repeat myself here, but I want to mention again that a person can care about freedom and people's lives at the same time.

[unity100]

newsletter

I get even crazier 'newsletters' (aka spam) coming from US sources, blabbering nonsense about covid, not limited to masks.

And they all come from the US.

Because there is no other country where you can get whatever 'research' you want produced by throwing a few million dollars at a private 'think thank'.

Its not that anybody is producing research for this anyway - they are just making it up.

While in the real world...

Statements like "solidarity with your community," "taking seriously the responsibility for keeping your community healthy," and "strong communal ethic" seem to indicate an inclination toward communism.

It is.

Just see how much communal you will get when you start sharing not only your energy, but even your own memories with your 4d smc...

Is there any indication in the Law of One that individuals of our density should be inclined toward community over individual?

Wow... If you are asking that after reading the entire material...

[AnthroHeart]

^^Unity,

Corona is a virus, not a bacteria. Will they do that petri-dish test on the spread of real Corona?

[curio_city]

Honestly, it's my opinion that if you think masks are a sign of oppression, you're probably in the lucky minority that has never actually experienced medical/governmental/societal oppression. If wearing a mask makes you feel uncomfortable, then it's your prerogative the make the choice that brings you the most comfort. However, Ra gives us a simple metric to express the polarity of each use of catalyst:

64.16 Questioner: Let us assume that a bodily distortion occurs within a particular entity who then has a choice of seeking allopathic aid or experiencing the catalyst of the distortion and not seeking correction of the distortion. Can you comment on [the] two possibilities for this entity and his analysis of each path?

Ra: I am Ra. If the entity is polarized towards service to others, analysis properly proceeds along the lines of consideration of which path offers the most opportunity for service to others.

For the negatively polarized entity the antithesis is the case.

For the unpolarized entity the considerations are random and most likely in the direction of the distortion towards comfort.

Can you please elaborate on what constitutes medical/governmental/societal oppression, as well as give some detail on its occurrence today?

In my original post, I ponder whether mask-wearing is really what's the best for everyone and consider some ways it may be counter to best interests; I appreciate a Ra quote that so directly supports the viewpoint as a positive one.

If Jesus were alive today, do you think he would wear a mask?

[curio_city]

newsletter

I get even crazier 'newsletters' (aka spam) coming from US sources, blabbering nonsense about covid, not limited to masks.

And they all come from the US.

Because there is no other country where you can get whatever 'research' you want produced by throwing a few million dollars at a private 'think thank'.

Its not that anybody is producing research for this anyway - they are just making it up.

While in the real world...

Statements like "solidarity with your community," "taking seriously the responsibility for keeping your community healthy," and "strong communal ethic" seem to indicate an inclination toward communism.

It is.

Just see how much communal you will get when you start sharing not only your energy, but even your own memories with your 4d smc...

Is there any indication in the Law of One that individuals of our density should be inclined toward community over individual?

Wow... If you are asking that after reading the entire material...

Thank you for your response. I think it's important here to make a distinction between 4th density and the one in which we relate our experiences. Ra was able only to approximate 4th density. One statement of 4th density that stands out to me (16.50): "[I]t is a plane wherein individual differences are pronounced although automatically harmonized by group consensus." I believe what we have in most communities is far from the combined call of a social memory complex, such that an insistence on this -- as well as on communism as a vehicle -- is not only impracticable, but it precisely embodies the elitist thought so prominently displayed by proponents of socialism and communism. A social memory complex is a side effect of a call so united that it far outweighs the individual.

As far as my question:

Is there any indication in the Law of One that individuals of our density should be inclined toward community over individual?

I think it's important here to note that in my question, I assert that the more prominent position in the Law of One would be "individuals... inclined toward... individual." That statement does not imply service to self. In fact, the way I view service to others is very much "individual toward individual." Whenever thinking of service to others, I believe others should be considered as individuals, not as part of some social memory complex with thought-sharing that does not yet exist here -- as far as I know.

[Patrick]

...
Statements like "solidarity with your community," "taking seriously the responsibility for keeping your community healthy," and "strong communal ethic" seem to indicate an inclination toward communism. As well, the observation that "individualism and personal choice... placed above the needs of society" is to a country's detriment raises some important questions. Namely, what liberties do you feel should be abrogated for the supposed good of the community? Is there any indication in the Law of One that individuals of our density should be inclined toward community over individual? Do you see "service to others" as solidarity with a community?

If we could manage to implement an RBE properly, that would solve a lot of issues.

A resource-based economy is a society without money, barter or trade, with the awareness that Humanity is One family and where technology, science and spirituality is used to it’s fullest to develop and manage the planet’s resources to provide abundance for everyone in the most sustainable way.

[Glow]

^^Unity,

Corona is a virus, not a bacteria. Will they do that petri-dish test on the spread of real Corona?

As someone who has been a lab tech. That illustration shows the microbes that are caught on the plate in the experiment. In this case the experiment is exposure by methods as labeled.

It isn’t implying this is Covid-19 on the plate but showing how our exhalent and any microbes/infectious agents carried within it has significantly diminished spread due to covering the mouth and nose of the one coughing/sneezing/singing etc.

As to earlier comments about the experts saying masks do not work then changing tune.

Originally they were speaking about people not catching the virus.
The masks as worn are not a great defence against self infection, and at the time PPE shortages meant those on the front lines needed to have all available supplies.

Now we have supplies beyond what front lines need we can wear them to protect one another, not ourselves but each other. Clear STO.

[Patrick]

If me wearing a mask makes just one other self feel better/more secure, then it's worth it.  Doesn't matter to me if it works or not in protecting against SARS-COV-2.

[Jade]

Honestly, it's my opinion that if you think masks are a sign of oppression, you're probably in the lucky minority that has never actually experienced medical/governmental/societal oppression. If wearing a mask makes you feel uncomfortable, then it's your prerogative the make the choice that brings you the most comfort. However, Ra gives us a simple metric to express the polarity of each use of catalyst:

64.16 Questioner: Let us assume that a bodily distortion occurs within a particular entity who then has a choice of seeking allopathic aid or experiencing the catalyst of the distortion and not seeking correction of the distortion. Can you comment on [the] two possibilities for this entity and his analysis of each path?

Ra: I am Ra. If the entity is polarized towards service to others, analysis properly proceeds along the lines of consideration of which path offers the most opportunity for service to others.

For the negatively polarized entity the antithesis is the case.

For the unpolarized entity the considerations are random and most likely in the direction of the distortion towards comfort.

Can you please elaborate on what constitutes medical/governmental/societal oppression, as well as give some detail on its occurrence today?

In my original post, I ponder whether mask-wearing is really what's the best for everyone and consider some ways it may be counter to best interests; I appreciate a Ra quote that so directly supports the viewpoint as a positive one.

If Jesus were alive today, do you think he would wear a mask?

Being asked to wear a mask into a public space is akin to being asked to wear shoes for public health reasons into a public space. Sure, it can be argued that going barefoot 100% of the time is "healthier" and "more natural". But nobody feels oppressed wearing shoes. How many people here who are against masks are actually being "forced" to wear them for more than an hour or two a week? To consider this oppression is absurd. You are being asked to wear a mask *when you enter a private business*, for the sake of the health of the employees who are often being forced, for low wages, to risk their health to serve you.

I understand that it's easy to justify "well if I project my awareness of my own health upon others by not wearing a mask, I'm helping them understand their own bodily autonomy" but in actuality you are just scaring people who are at risk. Many people have family members who have died. Many people have to go to work at grocery stores and restaurants and go home to elderly or otherwise at risk family members. Seeing people wear a mask gives them a peace of mind that, on some level, they are protected.

Masks, just like everything else, can be a placebo. This doesn't mean they are bad. But if you think that x item is what is keeping you safe, and someone takes away that item, you will stop feeling safe. I understand the justification that wearing a mask makes some people feel like they are reinforcing the idea of "being sick", but the truth is, we don't wear masks to protect ourselves, we wear masks to protect others. COVID can be spread by people who have 0 symptoms. Just because you are healthy doesn't mean you aren't spreading the virus.

The fact that you need me to explain examples of medical, governmental, and societal oppression is just proof that actual oppression is out of your realm of understanding. Medical oppression is how women and people of color are often treated poorly and not taken seriously by medical professionals - this is documented and proven, and I've certainly experienced it. Governmental oppression is, let's say, being redlined into a school district that gets no money because funding is determined by property taxes. Societal oppression is being a person of a lower class/different race/"weaker sex" and experiencing the continued lack of respect and autonomy because of these perceived "handicaps". These are just the first examples that come to mind but the expression of oppression is endless in our current reality. There are books written on this topic so I would suggest doing your own research if this concept is out of your grasp, it will help you develop more compassion for others. Being asked to wear a noninvasive medical device for a few hours a week is not oppression. Don't you find it odd that the USA is the only country that has a huge issue with this common courtesy, but also is the only country that has a death toll as high as ours? When will enough be enough? Nobody says only being able to carry 3oz of liquid on an airplane is "oppression", yet we gave up many of our freedoms for the sake of public safety after 9/11 happened, and that was only a few thousands deaths on one bad day. IMO "masks are bad" could potentially be a psy-op by the population reduction elites. It's interesting that people think that 5G is here to kill us but refuse to wear a piece of cloth over their face when they go to the grocery store to potentially reduce the death and damage of another potential, and proven deadly, weapon against humanity.

[curio_city]

Honestly, it's my opinion that if you think masks are a sign of oppression, you're probably in the lucky minority that has never actually experienced medical/governmental/societal oppression. If wearing a mask makes you feel uncomfortable, then it's your prerogative the make the choice that brings you the most comfort. However, Ra gives us a simple metric to express the polarity of each use of catalyst:

64.16 Questioner: Let us assume that a bodily distortion occurs within a particular entity who then has a choice of seeking allopathic aid or experiencing the catalyst of the distortion and not seeking correction of the distortion. Can you comment on [the] two possibilities for this entity and his analysis of each path?

Ra: I am Ra. If the entity is polarized towards service to others, analysis properly proceeds along the lines of consideration of which path offers the most opportunity for service to others.

For the negatively polarized entity the antithesis is the case.

For the unpolarized entity the considerations are random and most likely in the direction of the distortion towards comfort.

Can you please elaborate on what constitutes medical/governmental/societal oppression, as well as give some detail on its occurrence today?

In my original post, I ponder whether mask-wearing is really what's the best for everyone and consider some ways it may be counter to best interests; I appreciate a Ra quote that so directly supports the viewpoint as a positive one.

If Jesus were alive today, do you think he would wear a mask?

Being asked to wear a mask into a public space is akin to being asked to wear shoes for public health reasons into a public space. Sure, it can be argued that going barefoot 100% of the time is "healthier" and "more natural". But nobody feels oppressed wearing shoes. How many people here who are against masks are actually being "forced" to wear them for more than an hour or two a week? To consider this oppression is absurd. You are being asked to wear a mask *when you enter a private business*, for the sake of the health of the employees who are often being forced, for low wages, to risk their health to serve you.

I understand that it's easy to justify "well if I project my awareness of my own health upon others by not wearing a mask, I'm helping them understand their own bodily autonomy" but in actuality you are just scaring people who are at risk. Many people have family members who have died. Many people have to go to work at grocery stores and restaurants and go home to elderly or otherwise at risk family members. Seeing people wear a mask gives them a peace of mind that, on some level, they are protected.

Masks, just like everything else, can be a placebo. This doesn't mean they are bad. But if you think that x item is what is keeping you safe, and someone takes away that item, you will stop feeling safe. I understand the justification that wearing a mask makes some people feel like they are reinforcing the idea of "being sick", but the truth is, we don't wear masks to protect ourselves, we wear masks to protect others. COVID can be spread by people who have 0 symptoms. Just because you are healthy doesn't mean you aren't spreading the virus.

The fact that you need me to explain examples of medical, governmental, and societal oppression is just proof that actual oppression is out of your realm of understanding. Medical oppression is how women and people of color are often treated poorly and not taken seriously by medical professionals - this is documented and proven, and I've certainly experienced it. Governmental oppression is, let's say, being redlined into a school district that gets no money because funding is determined by property taxes. Societal oppression is being a person of a lower class/different race/"weaker sex" and experiencing the continued lack of respect and autonomy because of these perceived "handicaps". These are just the first examples that come to mind but the expression of oppression is endless in our current reality. There are books written on this topic so I would suggest doing your own research if this concept is out of your grasp, it will help you develop more compassion for others. Being asked to wear a noninvasive medical device for a few hours a week is not oppression. Don't you find it odd that the USA is the only country that has a huge issue with this common courtesy, but also is the only country that has a death toll as high as ours? When will enough be enough? Nobody says only being able to carry 3oz of liquid on an airplane is "oppression", yet we gave up many of our freedoms for the sake of public safety after 9/11 happened, and that was only a few thousands deaths on one bad day. IMO "masks are bad" could potentially be a psy-op by the population reduction elites. It's interesting that people think that 5G is here to kill us but refuse to wear a piece of cloth over their face when they go to the grocery store to potentially reduce the death and damage of another potential, and proven deadly, weapon against humanity.

I see a lot of reference in your post to "feeling safe." It reminds me of Cancel Culture and the idea of "safe zones" on campuses that are really just freedom from challenge so long as members serve the reigning ideology. The concept of feeling safe is very different than actually being safe, and both are very different than being prepared. I do not feel an obligation to adhere to others' ideas of what makes them safe more than my own ideas of how best to prepare others. In fact, it is others' ideas of and drives toward perceived safety that can so often lead them astray.

All experiences are challenges just as all challenges are experiences. Keeping people safe from challenges must not be in their best interests, as it keeps them from the much needed experiences of life. I want others to be challenged so they can succeed, and I want others to succeed so that they can be prepared for whatever is to come. Safety is subjective and true safety should not be considered a given, so how much better it is to be prepared.

I believe in living the Law of One, so I also believe in the metaphor of this experience. I believe individuals synthesize their experiences, and our ultimate responsibility is to take full ownership of all our experiences through all our existence. I have experienced what I would call discrimination and harassment in my workplace; I have received such poor medical care that the cures prescribed caused lasting damage; I and my children have endured trauma in hospitals due to malpractice; I have had cops follow me and pull me over, seemingly ready to draw their weapons, due to some ambiguously perceived threat; I have navigated the hell that is crushing poverty; I have been rejected in employment and other efforts too many times to count. I take responsibility for it all, and I have a strong gratitude for how my experiences have prepared and continue to prepare me.

Maybe my exact experiences cannot be transferred to another; however, maybe they can promote in me an ability to discern effective ways to serve others.

[Patrick]

...our ultimate responsibility is to take full ownership of all our experiences through all our existence ... I take responsibility for it all, and I have a strong gratitude for how my experiences have, and continue to, prepare me ... maybe they can promote in me an ability to discern effective ways to serve others.

Well said.  I have a question.  When you say "to prepare me", what do you believe you are preparing for ?  Do you mean preparing you to serve others effectively ?

[Diana]

If everyone doesn't mind me speculating, I would like to do so without being chastised for being an American idiot.

Can you please elaborate on what constitutes medical/governmental/societal oppression, as well as give some detail on its occurrence today?

Being asked to wear a mask into a public space is akin to being asked to wear shoes for public health reasons into a public space. Sure, it can be argued that going barefoot 100% of the time is "healthier" and "more natural". But nobody feels oppressed wearing shoes.

In a way this is a comparison that makes sense, since wearing shoes was implemented due to tuberculosis and people spitting on sidewalks. However, there is more at issue here than the elementary idea of covering a part of the body for health reasons.

How many people here who are against masks are actually being "forced" to wear them for more than an hour or two a week? To consider this oppression is absurd. You are being asked to wear a mask *when you enter a private business*, for the sake of the health of the employees who are often being forced, for low wages, to risk their health to serve you.

This is a good point. I'll preface by repeating that I wear a mask for the sake of others when out, and I have no problem doing so. (This does not in any way change the idea that this whole business is suspect.)

I can't help but wonder if this doesn't play right into the oppression. What I mean by this is that for centuries the poor/proletariat/peasants/disenfranchised have been kept down by various means by STS factions of society. So now we see this situation, which has already caused division worldwide, where low-wage workers are forced into this situation because they can't afford to lose their jobs. Whether or not the virus is what the official narrative says it is or not, this is yet another way to keep this portion of society down.

If there is any truth in this speculation, then there is a bigger picture—one that spans centuries and is part of an ongoing oppression. If we are to evolve into a 4th density society, then one of the attributes would be transparency. It's obvious that all governments are furtive and corrupt to some extent. Do we continue to let these corrupt institutions keep us in the box they maintain for their own purposes? As a Wanderer, one may not care about such an Earthly societal concern, but when one is lied to, does one just roll over and accept it? I suppose one could, if one doesn't want to be involved. Frankly, I don't care to get involved (yet), but on the other hand, I'm not just going to swallow any BS that's handed out by a corrupt media and government with buffoons who make no sense.

I understand that it's easy to justify "well if I project my awareness of my own health upon others by not wearing a mask, I'm helping them understand their own bodily autonomy" but in actuality you are just scaring people who are at risk. Many people have family members who have died. Many people have to go to work at grocery stores and restaurants and go home to elderly or otherwise at risk family members. Seeing people wear a mask gives them a peace of mind that, on some level, they are protected.

Yes, this is a good point. The mind creates the body, so to speak to paraphrase Ra, so it matters what people think. It's why I wear a mask. To make others feel safer is the only reason.

... but the truth is, we don't wear masks to protect ourselves, we wear masks to protect others. COVID can be spread by people who have 0 symptoms. Just because you are healthy doesn't mean you aren't spreading the virus.

On the surface, this sounds sensible. It only works, however, if you agree with the official narratives.

The fact that you need me to explain examples of medical, governmental, and societal oppression is just proof that actual oppression is out of your realm of understanding.

I was wondering the same thing and I was going to ask you to explain it as well. Not because I am a privileged person, but because I just didn't understand your meaning. I couldn't tell by your statement who was being oppressed and why.

To be honest, my take on allopathic medicine is that, beyond certain acute care cases, the whole system is oppressing us all. As an example, last year my mother was in a hospital because her doctor prescribed a med which caused seizures (or as they termed it, tremors). After months of BS that almost killed her several times (to the point that we had to have someone stay in the room overnight with her to ward off meds and procedures we expressly forbade (the staff would just do things anyway without looking at charts or even the board on the wall), they finally took her off the med we kept insisting was the problem—not because they admitted it was the cause, but furtively like it was an arbitrary decision. She got better. It was evident that they (I mean the doctors) had to cover their asses. It was an eye-opening experience for me. I already did not align with allopathic practices, but this was far worse than I had imagined. There were a few intelligent, thinking people there in the form of nurses, but still, they would do things like feed her pancakes and syrup with a muffin for breakfast and she is diabetic; then when her blood sugar spiked they would give her a shot of insulin; so we had to be there to stop that too. It was a farce of epic proportions.

Medical oppression is how women and people of color are often treated poorly and not taken seriously by medical professionals - this is documented and proven, and I've certainly experienced it. Governmental oppression is, let's say, being redlined into a school district that gets no money because funding is determined by property taxes. Societal oppression is being a person of a lower class/different race/"weaker sex" and experiencing the continued lack of respect and autonomy because of these perceived "handicaps".

This country's government is deplorable. US presidents can be in office for 4 years (and I won't even go into what that office might really consist of and how a politician gets to that point), and receive huge benefits for the rest of their lives, but a homeless person can't get benefits because of not having an address. It is beyond imagining that we live in such a society.

The bias you mention I think derives from the general state of the human mindset. We are still in a time where racism, tribalism, nationalism, sexism, and xenophobia are alive—supported by a corrupt media and government and the forces behind these that encourage it, in my opinion. On top of that our government doesn't protect those who really need it, because it's too busy protecting itself (earmarks, lobbying, campaign funds for "favors," greed).

These are just the first examples that come to mind but the expression of oppression is endless in our current reality. There are books written on this topic so I would suggest doing your own research if this concept is out of your grasp, it will help you develop more compassion for others. Being asked to wear a noninvasive medical device for a few hours a week is not oppression. Don't you find it odd that the USA is the only country that has a huge issue with this common courtesy, but also is the only country that has a death toll as high as ours? When will enough be enough? Nobody says only being able to carry 3oz of liquid on an airplane is "oppression", yet we gave up many of our freedoms for the sake of public safety after 9/11 happened, and that was only a few thousands deaths on one bad day. IMO "masks are bad" could potentially be a psy-op by the population reduction elites. It's interesting that people think that 5G is here to kill us but refuse to wear a piece of cloth over their face when they go to the grocery store to potentially reduce the death and damage of another potential, and proven deadly, weapon against humanity.

The bolded above is part of why so many people are questioning the official narrative. I don't think it's as simple as it may seem on the surface. I, for one, am willing to wear a mask for the sake of others (whether it really works or not), but I am concerned about a corrupt government continuing to erode freedoms. 911 is a good example. Do you think the official narrative was true? If not, then why was it okay to violate rights? And I don't mean something silly like 3 oz. containers on flights. I mean the Patriot Act, which was supposed to expire at the end of 2005 but was reinstated.

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I would like to add another speculation. I don't go out much (never have really), but when I go to the grocery store, I find the experience unsettling (I usually go to Albertsons, Frys or Sprouts). Aside form any protective or health considerations, it is emotionally and mentally disturbing. Not to see a person's face in its entirety seems to create a weird vibe, like we are all suspect of each other. I see people looking at other people with suspicion or something like it their eyes. I can't pinpoint it but it feels very isolating and separating. It's not true of every person, but the general feel is divisive. This all may sound very obvious. But in any case, I have to wonder about the ultimate psychological effects.

As a thinking person, I do not consider it to be uncaring to speculate on the possible long-term, covert, or opportunistic aspects of the Covid-19 global fallout.

[Patrick]

 
We collectively decides what happens, not the Elite.  Whatever their shenanigans are, it cannot have any grasp on us without our consent.  We can even go much further than that and make something good out of it.

I decided that whatever I do, I do it with Love.  I wear a mask with Love.  Whatever the intent of the Elites are, it becomes rerouted to being an act of love, compassion and caring.

The narrative that the Elites wanted to tell using Covid then instead becomes one of Love.  A story of sharing resources and acceptance in these hard times.

The physical mask becomes a symbol that reminds us that we are all wearing metaphysical masks when we incarnate here.  Behind it lies the True Self.

I expect that when the time comes where we can remove our physical masks, many people might rediscover this.  And can then apply themselves in removing the other "mask" that was put on for playing the part during the incarnation.

We can collectively decide that the story of the masks is just this.  Thus transmuting the work of the Elites into one full of Love and Light that will in fact help usher us forward faster into the next dawn of our collective evolution.

[Jade]

I see a lot of reference in your post to "feeling safe." It reminds me of Cancel Culture and the idea of "safe zones" on campuses that are really just freedom from challenge so long as members serve the reigning ideology. The concept of feeling safe is very different than actually being safe, and both are very different than being prepared. I do not feel an obligation to adhere to others' ideas of what makes them safe more than my own ideas of how best to prepare others. In fact, it is others' ideas of and drives toward perceived safety that can so often lead them astray.

Do you understand the concept of a social memory complex? The concept of not harming others? Compassion? Because all of these things go into making others "feel safe". If you act upon your own will to the detriment of others' peace of mind or feelings of safety, you aren't contributing to the foundation of 4th density energies. In fact, I think you are confused because you are putting such a high value on your own safety that you deny changing your behavior for others. It is the concept of "sacrifice" for the harmony of the group that is paramount to 4th density, to feeling and expressing compassion.

It's so funny how people who have certain "ideologies" always make concepts *about* ideology by using buzzwords like "safe spaces" because I promoted the idea of taking care of each other in a compassionate way. I really never understood what was wrong about creating spaces where people couldn't use toxic or abusive language against others. You actually didn't address anything I said but went off on a tangent about safe spaces. I was addressing the issue that people often claim that wearing masks is a threat to their own safety, i.e. their body autonomy and freedom to feel "healthy". In your OP you literally said wearing a mask is a weapon. It's interesting how quickly people are to project their own insecurities upon others. Anti-maskers fear the government, pro-maskers fear the potential of debilitating disease. It's all fear-based, and acting as if you are above it is hypocritical as you have clearly stated your motivations.

[Diana]

 
We collectively decides what happens, not the Elite.  Whatever their shenanigans are, it cannot have any grasp on us without our consent.  We can even go much further than that and make something good out of it.

I decided that whatever I do, I do it with Love.  I wear a mask with Love.  Whatever the intent of the Elites are, it becomes rerouted to being an act of love, compassion and caring.

The narrative that the Elites wanted to tell using Covid then instead becomes one of Love.  A story of sharing resources and acceptance in these hard times.

The physical mask becomes a symbol that reminds us that we are all wearing metaphysical masks when we incarnate here.  Behind it lies the True Self.

I expect that when the time comes where we can remove our physical masks, many people might rediscover this.  And can then apply themselves in removing the other "mask" that was put on for playing the part during the incarnation.

We can collectively decide that the story of the masks is just this.  Thus transmuting the work of the Elites into one full of Love and Light that will in fact help usher us forward faster into the next dawn of our collective evolution.

Beautiful sentiments, Patrick. 

I will guess that you are not homeless, you're obviously male, I think you are white from a photo you posted, and I will also guess you are okay financially (not worried about food and shelter). From that position it is easy to say what you have said. There are SO many people on this planet who are oppressed (this is to say nothing of other life forms and the planet itself). So to say that the elite's control is "shenanigans" is rather dismissive. Say that to a starving person, and that you will love their pain away but it may take hundreds of years.

I'm sorry to sound harsh, but I don't think it's a great idea to minimize the suffering on this planet.

And let's not forget that consent is a complicated affair. There are the oppressed who have little in the way of choice due to economic oppression; there are the many in the sinkhole of indifference; there are many who are brainwashed by the media. This is the reality we are in. 

Perhaps you are right, and love/light will be the answer—eventually. I hope so. 

[AnthroHeart]

Diana, when I tune into the suffering of the planet energetically and feel it, I can sort of hold that and help raise the vibration slowly.
Do you think that's a good use of my time?
Slowly healing the hurt of the planet within?

[Diana]

Diana, when I tune into the suffering of the planet energetically and feel it, I can sort of hold that and help raise the vibration slowly.
Do you think that's a good use of my time?
Slowly healing the hurt of the planet within?

Absolutely. I would never discourage you from that. 

I did not mean to diminish such activity with what I said in response to Patrick. 

[Jade]

If there is any truth in this speculation, then there is a bigger picture—one that spans centuries and is part of an ongoing oppression. If we are to evolve into a 4th density society, then one of the attributes would be transparency. It's obvious that all governments are furtive and corrupt to some extent. Do we continue to let these corrupt institutions keep us in the box they maintain for their own purposes? As a Wanderer, one may not care about such an Earthly societal concern, but when one is lied to, does one just roll over and accept it? I suppose one could, if one doesn't want to be involved. Frankly, I don't care to get involved (yet), but on the other hand, I'm not just going to swallow any BS that's handed out by a corrupt media and government with buffoons who make no sense.

What do you think you are being lied to about specifically? The government is always lying to us. I don't trust them. I do trust germ theory, however, and I see that the US has death counts that dwarf other countries based upon our lack of basic action to protect us from this virus. Do you think every other government lied to its people as well?

The fact that you need me to explain examples of medical, governmental, and societal oppression is just proof that actual oppression is out of your realm of understanding.

I was wondering the same thing and I was going to ask you to explain it as well. Not because I am a privileged person, but because I just didn't understand your meaning. I couldn't tell by your statement who was being oppressed and why.

To be honest, my take on allopathic medicine is that, beyond certain acute care cases, the whole system is oppressing us all. As an example, last year my mother was in a hospital because her doctor prescribed a med which caused seizures (or as they termed it, tremors). After months of BS that almost killed her several times (to the point that we had to have someone stay in the room overnight with her to ward off meds and procedures we expressly forbade (the staff would just do things anyway without looking at charts or even the board on the wall), they finally took her off the med we kept insisting was the problem—not because they admitted it was the cause, but furtively like it was an arbitrary decision. She got better. It was evident that they (I mean the doctors) had to cover their asses. It was an eye-opening experience for me. I already did not align with allopathic practices, but this was far worse than I had imagined. There were a few intelligent, thinking people there in the form of nurses, but still, they would do things like feed her pancakes and syrup with a muffin for breakfast and she is diabetic; then when her blood sugar spiked they would give her a shot of insulin; so we had to be there to stop that too. It was a farce of epic proportions.

I don't trust allopathic medicine, either. But I'm not telling everyone they should get a vaccine, because I don't support that either. I am just baffled that people draw the line at wearing a mask that prevents the spread of germs. We are all reasonable about staying home and not spreading the cold or the flu when we get it, and these things are deadly and don't do the same kind of permanent damage that COVID does. Like I said, maybe it's a placebo. But Ra says that in our society, the training of allopathic doctors is how we train "healers", so on some level we have to accept that this is the will of the collective, and to see the positive alongside the negative.

The government takes my money (taxes) and spends a lot of it on weaponry and animal agriculture. This oppression is far more troublesome to me than being asked to wear a mask in a public building.

These are just the first examples that come to mind but the expression of oppression is endless in our current reality. There are books written on this topic so I would suggest doing your own research if this concept is out of your grasp, it will help you develop more compassion for others. Being asked to wear a noninvasive medical device for a few hours a week is not oppression. Don't you find it odd that the USA is the only country that has a huge issue with this common courtesy, but also is the only country that has a death toll as high as ours? When will enough be enough? Nobody says only being able to carry 3oz of liquid on an airplane is "oppression", yet we gave up many of our freedoms for the sake of public safety after 9/11 happened, and that was only a few thousands deaths on one bad day. IMO "masks are bad" could potentially be a psy-op by the population reduction elites. It's interesting that people think that 5G is here to kill us but refuse to wear a piece of cloth over their face when they go to the grocery store to potentially reduce the death and damage of another potential, and proven deadly, weapon against humanity.

The bolded above is part of why so many people are questioning the official narrative. I don't think it's as simple as it may seem on the surface. I, for one, am willing to wear a mask for the sake of others (whether it really works or not), but I am concerned about a corrupt government continuing to erode freedoms. 911 is a good example. Do you think the official narrative was true? If not, then why was it okay to violate rights? And I don't mean something silly like 3 oz. containers on flights. I mean the Patriot Act, which was supposed to expire at the end of 2005 but was reinstated.

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I would like to add another speculation. I don't go out much (never have really), but when I go to the grocery store, I find the experience unsettling (I usually go to Albertsons, Frys or Sprouts). Aside form any protective or health considerations, it is emotionally and mentally disturbing. Not to see a person's face in its entirety seems to create a weird vibe, like we are all suspect of each other. I see people looking at other people with suspicion or something like it their eyes. I can't pinpoint it but it feels very isolating and separating. It's not true of every person, but the general feel is divisive. This all may sound very obvious. But in any case, I have to wonder about the ultimate psychological effects.

As a thinking person, I do not consider it to be uncaring to speculate on the possible long-term, covert, or opportunistic aspects of the Covid-19 global fallout.

The three ounces of liquid was an arbitrary example that was meant to call to mind ALL of the freedoms we have given up in the name of protecting each other. I agree that thinking people should consider the effects of this. However, if we had properly responded in the US as other countries had, we wouldn't be experiencing this extremely drawn out, forced mask wearing. We had an opportunity to slow the spread immensely, as other countries did, as a collective effort to protect each other. This is a worldwide pandemic, it doesn't just affect the US, so looking at it through the lens of US government lies or individual liberties or whatever is very short sighted. Do you think that every other country is just full of sheep who will listen to every command of their government, even if it's in their best interests? Or are American's just so easily brainwashed that we are some of the very few who think that wearing a mask is an oppressive front to our personal liberties?

How we choose to react to this catalyst is upon each of us. It doesn't scare me to only see half of someone's face. What I notice is how much people go out of their way to be kinder or show that they are smiling with their eyes to compensate for the lack of smiles. What I see is people willing to make the (very, very small) sacrifice of wearing a mask to make others feel safe and protected (as you do). Wearing a mask isn't about affirming our own safety, it's about protecting others, and many anti-maskers seem to miss this. What I see is people who are endeavoring to protect the weaker and more vulnerable among us, vs those who are willing to sacrifice the "less than 1%" who will die, so that they can sit at a bar and breathe freely upon each other or go shopping at Costco and pretend that things are "back to normal". What I see is that people who are anti-mask are often in denial, afraid of the reality we have created with our poor choices and poor stewardship of the planet, realizing that their actions could affect others but instead preferring to double down on their individual liberty in the face of being asked to make a sacrifice for the collective wellbeing. What I see is people who refuse to wear a mask are projecting their fears and inability to cope with difficulties upon those who are wearing masks. I'm not afraid, even though I'm technically immunocompromised. I want to take actions that are conducive to healing this sick world we've been contributing to, and to not bury my head in the sand because I'm overwhelmed in the face of all of the difficulties that have presented themselves to deal with. I want to have a positive and constructive effect on my reality, and I want to sacrifice my own personal will in favor of that of the One Infinite Creator who sees all as One. I'm not afraid of being coerced by the government to do things against my will, because I'm aware of the nuance in the situation and I still choose to wear a mask. I understand the motivations of those who refuse to wear the mask, but the motivations are inconsistent and I've yet to see a cohesive argument against mask wearing that wasn't projection of one's own fears of being controlled by others. I trust in the autonomy of my choice and I don't believe that because I'm wearing a mask, that I will submit to mandatory vaccines or chip implants or whatever it is that anti-maskers think is the direct next step. So, my point of view is unique, and nuanced, and I want to understand both sides, but until someone paints a clear picture of why not wearing a mask is objectively better than wearing one, I'm going to challenge them to attempt a rational and non-contradictory explanation. But "I'm afraid of the government so I'm not gonna be afraid of a disease!" is really illogical circular reasoning. This is collective bodily catalyst for the planet and we should react by attempting to address and heal the ailments of the body, in my opinion. Being paranoid about the government's motivations is not a helpful distortion.

[41.14]In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.

The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.

Thus true color orange is that which it is, without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.

[Patrick]

...I will guess that you are not homeless, you're obviously male, I think you are white from a photo you posted...

Yes and that has always been the case in this incarnation.

...and I will also guess you are okay financially (not worried about food and shelter)...

That too.  I did not know starvation in this lifetime, only poverty to a level where my parents could not afford stuff like cars or even a bed or a room for me in the family apartment. I just slept on the sofa in the living room.  But I never knew homelessness or starvation and I did not even know we were poor at the time.  I did not feel poor anyway.  I had so much love from my parents.  When I was a bit older, they slept in the living room and I had the bedroom all to myself.

...From that position it is easy to say what you have said...

It has not always been easy for me to talk about love openly.  But in this case yes that was very easy and I stand firm behind what I said.  Or at least behind the sentiment that was intended.  It came directly from the heart.

If my other selves are so much under the heals of the Elites that they can no longer see love in any moments, then ins't a heartfelt inspiration the proper thing to offer?

The abundance I have at this time enables me the great luxury to ponder these things and help channel our Logos' love and inspiration.  There has to be someone that does it.  Since I feel that I can, then I do.

...There are SO many people on this planet who are oppressed (this is to say nothing of other life forms and the planet itself). So to say that the elite's control is "shenanigans" is rather dismissive...

YES !  It is that simple.  We should just dismiss their shenanigans for what it is !  Can't you see how simple it is to let Love win ?  

...Say that to a starving person, and that you will love their pain away but it may take hundreds of years...

If a starving person were to come within my sphere of experience, I hope I could tell them of my Love without using any words.  Feeding someone who is starving is how I wish I would say: "I love you".  Might just be a romantic notion on my part.

...
I'm sorry to sound harsh, but I don't think it's a great idea to minimize the suffering on this planet.

And let's not forget that consent is a complicated affair. There are the oppressed who have little in the way of choice due to economic oppression; there are the many in the sinkhole of indifference; there are many who are brainwashed by the media. This is the reality we are in
...

It's perfectly ok to express yourself in anyway you wish.  Minimizing the sufferings was not my intent.  Minimizing the perception of power the Elites has on us was my intent.  They have NO power over us except the power we let them have to challenge us with the only purpose of giving us opportunities to overcome those challenges.

Whatever our situation is on this planet, we always have the opportunity to answer with Love what comes to us.

...
Perhaps you are right, and love/light will be the answer—eventually. I hope so. 

I believe that until we answer them with Love and Light, they will continue to challenge us.  Because this is why they are here after all.  It's their purpose.

[Diana]

...I'm not just going to swallow any BS that's handed out by a corrupt media and government with buffoons who make no sense.

What do you think you are being lied to about specifically? The government is always lying to us. I don't trust them. I do trust germ theory, however, and I see that the US has death counts that dwarf other countries based upon our lack of basic action to protect us from this virus. Do you think every other government lied to its people as well?

I was speaking generally there. I don't know what I'm being lied to about. I can only guess. I normally don't pay much attention to the human drama of politics.

If I may explain my thoughts: Almost everything is technically hearsay. Do you know what is actually happening anywhere outside of your physical location? In Europe? In Asia? All we have is what we are told. And this includes statistics. So, I must believe the statistics in order to agree with what you say. I don't—there is too much conflicting information. That is not to say you aren't right. I DON"T KNOW.

Yes I think all governments lie to its people. It's a working theory anyway—since almost all information is hearsay.

I don't trust allopathic medicine, either. But I'm not telling everyone they should get a vaccine, because I don't support that either. I am just baffled that people draw the line at wearing a mask that prevents the spread of germs. We are all reasonable about staying home and not spreading the cold or the flu when we get it, and these things are deadly and don't do the same kind of permanent damage that COVID does. Like I said, maybe it's a placebo. But Ra says that in our society, the training of allopathic doctors is how we train "healers", so on some level we have to accept that this is the will of the collective, and to see the positive alongside the negative.

As far as the permanent damage Covid-19 does, even that is not clear whether the damage is done from the virus or from medical treatment. I'm not that informed, but there seems to be controversy regarding that.

As far as accepting the collective idea of allopathic medicine being the healing modality of this time—I do, for others who believe in it. I would never undermine someone's belief in something they think is healing them. But I don't think it is a system of healing in general. I certainly hope it evolves into a system of healing from the current system that profits from sickness.

The government takes my money (taxes) and spends a lot of it on weaponry and animal agriculture. This oppression is far more troublesome to me than being asked to wear a mask in a public building.

I agree. And I think there are many people who are latching onto the mask aspect and running with it, when there are deeper issues to consider.

The three ounces of liquid was an arbitrary example that was meant to call to mind ALL of the freedoms we have given up in the name of protecting each other. I agree that thinking people should consider the effects of this. However, if we had properly responded in the US as other countries had, we wouldn't be experiencing this extremely drawn out, forced mask wearing. We had an opportunity to slow the spread immensely, as other countries did, as a collective effort to protect each other. This is a worldwide pandemic, it doesn't just affect the US, so looking at it through the lens of US government lies or individual liberties or whatever is very short sighted.

I don't know that I am short-sighted. I'm just bringing up points to consider, and trying to navigate this morass.

Again, the above about slowing the virus is questionable and relies on statistics. They may be correct. But since the onset of this global pandemic, not much in the way of response has made any sense to me.

Do you think that every other country is just full of sheep who will listen to every command of their government, even if it's in their best interests? Or are American's just so easily brainwashed that we are some of the very few who think that wearing a mask is an oppressive front to our personal liberties?

I don't think in such absolute, extreme, and black-and-white ways.

How we choose to react to this catalyst is upon each of us. It doesn't scare me to only see half of someone's face. What I notice is how much people go out of their way to be kinder or show that they are smiling with their eyes to compensate for the lack of smiles. What I see is people willing to make the (very, very small) sacrifice of wearing a mask to make others feel safe and protected (as you do). Wearing a mask isn't about affirming our own safety, it's about protecting others, and many anti-maskers seem to miss this. What I see is people who are endeavoring to protect the weaker and more vulnerable among us, vs those who are willing to sacrifice the "less than 1%" who will die, so that they can sit at a bar and breathe freely upon each other or go shopping at Costco and pretend that things are "back to normal". What I see is that people who are anti-mask are often in denial, afraid of the reality we have created with our poor choices and poor stewardship of the planet, realizing that their actions could affect others but instead preferring to double down on their individual liberty in the face of being asked to make a sacrifice for the collective wellbeing. What I see is people who refuse to wear a mask are projecting their fears and inability to cope with difficulties upon those who are wearing masks.

That was quite a speech, but it I find it to be judgmental (not intentionally I think), idealistic, and one-dimensional. I agree with much of it. But the attitudes of people are a mixed bag and I don't think they can be so pigeonholed. On Nextdoor Neighbor I see a wide range of reasons and attitudes from people.

I'm not afraid, even though I'm technically immunocompromised. I want to take actions that are conducive to healing this sick world we've been contributing to, and to not bury my head in the sand because I'm overwhelmed in the face of all of the difficulties that have presented themselves to deal with. I want to have a positive and constructive effect on my reality, and I want to sacrifice my own personal will in favor of that of the One Infinite Creator who sees all as One. I'm not afraid of being coerced by the government to do things against my will, because I'm aware of the nuance in the situation and I still choose to wear a mask. I understand the motivations of those who refuse to wear the mask, but the motivations are inconsistent and I've yet to see a cohesive argument against mask wearing that wasn't projection of one's own fears of being controlled by others. I trust in the autonomy of my choice and I don't believe that because I'm wearing a mask, that I will submit to mandatory vaccines or chip implants or whatever it is that anti-maskers think is the direct next step. So, my point of view is unique, and nuanced, and I want to understand both sides, but until someone paints a clear picture of why not wearing a mask is objectively better than wearing one, I'm going to challenge them to attempt a rational and non-contradictory explanation. But "I'm afraid of the government so I'm not gonna be afraid of a disease!" is really illogical circular reasoning. This is collective bodily catalyst for the planet and we should react by attempting to address and heal the ailments of the body, in my opinion. Being paranoid about the government's motivations is not a helpful distortion.

For some people this may apply. But not everyone who questions the mask is afraid and paranoid—of anything. How about just practical concern? Or intelligent questioning?

As far as WEARING a mask, I do think this is a confused issue. Personally I wear one. But there are many people taking "sides," and like many societal issues the "sides" often miss the deeper points at issue. Which of course works well if something is going on at the same time that is trying to be covered up or slipped in through the cracks. Again, 911 is good example. The nation was devastated by the loss of life, so we agree that going to war based on ridiculous reasons (weapons of mass destruction) was okay. Yes of course the lives lost in the twin towers matter; but what about the lives lost in the war as well?

[41.14]In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.

The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.

However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.

Thus true color orange is that which it is, without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.

It is not as simple as caring about the safety of others regarding the virus. What about the safety of others regarding starvation, poverty, lack of proper healthcare; and so on due to oppression? Is it okay then to allow a government to further impose tactics which contribute to the oppression? It isn't JUST about the masks. It's typical that the media will incite the mask issue as being the pivotal issue when there are deeper things happening. If it wasn't so serious and sad, the fight over mask-wearing would be comical.

And by the way, I am not afraid of people in the stores, or paranoid. Maybe you live somewhere where people are all nice and friendly to each other. The Phoenix area is not like that. I was just speculating about the long-term affects of average people—the ones I see generally in this area. Perhaps you are right that people will somehow come out of this with a better understanding of service to others. I'm dubious. I don't think it happened after 911—in fact, it incited hatred for Muslims and middle-easterners that seems to still be in effect.

We will see how it shakes out. We are nearly two decades further along than we were at 911, so maybe this will be very different.

[Diana]

I believe that until we answer them with Love and Light, they will continue to challenge us.  Because this is why they are here after all.  It's their purpose.

I am not so sure as many here seem to be about how to navigate the human world.

I do understand your point of view. I am aware that I may sound differently on the pages here than I really am, due to bringing up various alternative points.

It's just that I can't be dismissive of the oppressed (any life forms). It will be a long wait I think until this balances out.

[Patrick]

...you cast yourself into the midair of faith having no proof of anything but the simple feeling, the knowing, that all truly is well and that the universe does make sense. It is not meaningless, and you are not alone. You are loved, you are needed, you are full of purpose, and you simply need to let go of any preconceived notions as to how that works and simply engage in life to the best of your ability, as a conscious seeker that understands the power of choice, the power of desire, the power of intention. The universe will begin to perceive you as joining the dance. You will begin to get synchronicities back. You will see repeating numbers. You will see your totem animal. You will see the signs that what you were thinking is important and that what you were thinking just now is especially important, so ponder it.

The universe will begin to help you. You will feel that feedback. And the more you lean into that, the more you will receive it, so that eventually, when someone says, “Well, why do you believe the way you do?” you have almost no ability to explain. Because you are an old, experienced hand at working with the Game of Life now. You understand about choices. You understand about love. You understand about the hall of mirrors in which all things speak to you—people, situations and things—and you are comfortable at last in this game, and enthusiastic to play it...

Diana.  Based on the above quote.  Would you believe that anyone becomes "comfortable at last in this game, and enthusiastic to play it" because of their lot in life OR do you believe their abundance of everything in life comes from reaching that enthusiastic state no matter what their previous circumstances were ?

[AnthroHeart]

I don't know Patrick, but I am pretty enthusiastic and eager to play the game of life. But it wasn't always that way.

[curio_city]

...you cast yourself into the midair of faith having no proof of anything but the simple feeling, the knowing, that all truly is well and that the universe does make sense. It is not meaningless, and you are not alone. You are loved, you are needed, you are full of purpose, and you simply need to let go of any preconceived notions as to how that works and simply engage in life to the best of your ability, as a conscious seeker that understands the power of choice, the power of desire, the power of intention. The universe will begin to perceive you as joining the dance. You will begin to get synchronicities back. You will see repeating numbers. You will see your totem animal. You will see the signs that what you were thinking is important and that what you were thinking just now is especially important, so ponder it.

The universe will begin to help you. You will feel that feedback. And the more you lean into that, the more you will receive it, so that eventually, when someone says, “Well, why do you believe the way you do?” you have almost no ability to explain. Because you are an old, experienced hand at working with the Game of Life now. You understand about choices. You understand about love. You understand about the hall of mirrors in which all things speak to you—people, situations and things—and you are comfortable at last in this game, and enthusiastic to play it...

Diana.  Based on the above quote.  Would you believe that anyone becomes "comfortable at last in this game, and enthusiastic to play it" because of their lot in life OR do you believe their abundance of everything in life comes from reaching that enthusiastic state no matter what their previous circumstances were ?

If I may answer as well, as it is an interesting question, I believe one becomes the experience. Now, there seems to be abstraction between thoughts and things; however, I believe as one advances the synchronicities and the one experiencing them are no different. One becomes the abundance and excitement all around. All is one.

[curio_city]

...our ultimate responsibility is to take full ownership of all our experiences through all our existence ... I take responsibility for it all, and I have a strong gratitude for how my experiences have, and continue to, prepare me ... maybe they can promote in me an ability to discern effective ways to serve others.

Well said.  I have a question.  When you say "to prepare me", what do you believe you are preparing for ?  Do you mean preparing you to serve others effectively?

Yes, I believe I am preparing to meet bigger and greater challenges in the form of serving others more effectively. It is what I request.