Regarding Straight line spiral

[LL_Robert]

Hi Brothers and Sisters,

It has been I have questions regarding the characteristics of light that mentioned in 13.9 and 13.17. Firstly, I copy the two question as below:

13.9 Questioner: Then can you tell me how [the] galaxy and this planetary system were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

13.17 Questioner: Does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

My questions are:

1. Does "infinite whole" mentioned in 13.9 refer to "Light of love?"
2. In 13.9, light has its characteristics of "straight line", I can only imagine it is like a torch, when turned on, the light is coming straight out. Am I correct on that?
3. Why this "straight line" characteristics was "paradoxcially described?"
4. What is "straight line spiral" like? Does this actually is the paradox Ra mentioned?
5. What is "creative principal" mentioned in 13.9?

Many thanks in advance!
Robert

[Sacred Fool]

These questions ride on the edge of mystery and so, in my view, one can only hope for approximate and unsatisfying answers. And I am not trying to be discouraging, just realistic.

An alternative to trying to solidify the ineffable could be to try to discern an inner resonance with the mystery of fact and material emanating from intelligence and love creating potentiation for such....for such as Robert, for instance.

[AnthroHeart]

Here is a Kirlian photograph of the spiral light from a pyramid:

[LL_Robert]

These questions ride on the edge of mystery and so, in my view, one can only hope for approximate and unsatisfying answers.  And I am not trying to be discouraging, just realistic.

An alternative to trying to solidify the ineffable could be to try to discern an inner resonance with the mystery of fact and material emanating from intelligence and love creating potentiation for such....for such as Robert, for instance.

Thanks, peregrine!

[LL_Robert]

Here is a Kirlian photograph of the spiral light from a pyramid:

Thanks for the info. It is something like straight line spiral!

[Infinite]

My questions are:1. Does "infinite whole" mentioned in 13.9 refer to "Light of love?"

It seems to me that here Ra referred to intelligent infinity.

2. In 13.9, light has its characteristics of "straight line", I can only imagine it is like a torch, when turned on, the light is coming straight out. Am I correct on that?

I think this refers to creating the form. Infinity being represented in a certain way through this Light. Something like at least one line being necessary to have any reference.

3. Why this "straight line" characteristics was "paradoxcially described?"

It seems to me that it is due to intelligent infinity having no form.

4. What is "straight line spiral" like? Does this actually is the paradox Ra mentioned?

No idea.

5. What is "creative principal" mentioned in 13.9?

Intelligent infinity.

[Learner]

Hi Brothers and Sisters,

It has been I have questions regarding the characteristics of light that mentioned in 13.9 and 13.17. Firstly, I copy the two question as below:

13.9 Questioner: Then can you tell me how [the] galaxy and this planetary system were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

13.17 Questioner: Does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

My questions are:

1. Does "infinite whole" mentioned in 13.9 refer to "Light of love?"
2. In 13.9, light has its characteristics of "straight line", I can only imagine it is like a torch, when turned on, the light is coming straight out. Am I correct on that?
3. Why this "straight line" characteristics was "paradoxcially described?"
4. What is "straight line spiral" like? Does this actually is the paradox Ra mentioned?
5. What is "creative principal" mentioned in 13.9?

Many thanks in advance!
Robert

Hi Robert,

Here's my understanding so far. I do not know if they are correct, just offering as an perspective.

1. Does "infinite whole" mentioned in 13.9 refer to "Light of love?"
No. I believe the "infinite whole" refers to the ultimate unity that we are all part of, that has been called God, I AM, ALL, Oneness, and many other names. If you have read the "Kybalion", it is THE ALL mentioned in there. I believe that sentence meant to say that the "Light of love" expresses infinite whole in the form of straight lines, just like saying that we characterize the Sun on a piece of paper with a circle. Then reason it was called paradoxical maybe because a straight line is neither infinite nor whole. 

2. In 13.9, light has its characteristics of "straight line", I can only imagine it is like a torch, when turned on, the light is coming straight out. Am I correct on that?
Yes.

3. Why this "straight line" characteristics was "paradoxcially described?" 
See answer to question 1 and 4.

4. What is "straight line spiral" like? Does this actually is the paradox Ra mentioned?
First, imagine yourself walking a straight line from the Equator to the North Pole; then imagine you are someone who's observing you from a fixed point in space outside of the earth. Do you still see yourself walking a straight line? Because the earth is spinning, your trajectory would look like an northward spiral. Thus whether it is straight or spiral depend on your perspective. In the case of the light Ra speak of, from their higher perspective, 6D which also corresponds to higher dimensions physically, it is a straight line. But from our lower/3D perspective, because of our spinning/rotating motion wrt the greater universe, we perceive the light as spiral. 
This interpretation is corroborated in later sessions, such as 58.12, where Ra use the term "upward spiraling energy" to describe the intelligent energy that's been called light/love, prana/chi, etc. that the pyramid was used to focus. Ra said "The energy is not Earth energy, as we understand your question, but is light energy which is omni-present." It is due to the same reason: the straight line characteristics of the Light is from the universal perspective, not the earth/local perspective. This is most likely the reason Ra called it "paradoxcially described".
If you understand what I'm saying, Ra's explanation of the lenticular shapes of the star systems also makes sense: it is due to the same perception that created the paradox.


5. What is "creative principal" mentioned in 13.9?

I like what J.W said in a recent post about principles. I think this definition from the dictionary fits it here best: "[font=arial, sans-serif]a fundamental source or basis of something." Therefore the "creative principle" is the name used to describe the creative aspect of the light/energy, which the physical light is just a small part of it that can be perceived by us.[/font]


[font=arial, sans-serif]I hope I'm making sense. Namaste  [/font]

[LL_Robert]

Thanks very much Infinite and Learner!

Thanks Learner, thanks for your detailed answer. Your answer to my Q.4 reminds me the phenomenon where by light would bent under gravity (something like that).

On a side note, I have come across a previous post in this forum "https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5005"

Maybe I am wrong, but I think the author in that post essentially wanted to convey the idea that from density 1-6 (7th or above I am not sure), all the creation was made from light. It just get more intense in terms of energy density. Also, to some extent, that post shed some light on the question I raise.

[Learner]

Thanks very much Infinite and Learner!

Thanks Learner, thanks for your detailed answer. Your answer to my Q.4 reminds me the phenomenon where by light would bent under gravity (something like that).

On a side note, I have come across a previous post in this forum "https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5005"

Maybe I am wrong, but I think the author in that post essentially wanted to convey the idea that from density 1-6 (7th or above I am not sure), all the creation was made from light. It just get more intense in terms of energy density. Also, to some extent, that post shed some light on the question I raise.

Wow, you found a gem of a thread there. Siren knows her stuff. Too bad she's no longer registered. 
In physics, the visible light is but a segment of spectrum of electromagnetic waves/radiations. Thus I believe when Ra mentioned Light, they meant all spectrum of Light/electromagnetic waves. Light has many properties unknown to us. When we are in 3D, we can only experience a limited properties of Light. As one evolve to higher Ds, they will experience Light in fuller and fuller forms, eventually merge back into Light (it seems). 
I think some of the replies to her thread were confused because they thought only something without a solid form can be called an illusion. But electromagnetic fields interacting with each other forming boundary and shapes that are impenetrable without force between dense 3D materials. A solid wall is probably not impenetrable to higher density beings. That's why to reincarnate here, wanderers have to lower their vibration to become suitable in a "dense" form. 

It's cool that you associated the light bending under gravity with the spiraling light concept. I'm sure there's some connection. I would say that it's not gravity that bends light but gravity giving us the illusion that light is being bent. :-D

[flofrog]

I wonder if energy on its way up, doesn’t collect all energy flows, and so is actually spiraling straight up but is spiraling as it is actually collecting too

[LukeM7]

Hi Brothers and Sisters,

It has been I have questions regarding the characteristics of light that mentioned in 13.9 and 13.17. Firstly, I copy the two question as below:

13.9 Questioner: Then can you tell me how [the] galaxy and this planetary system were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

13.17 Questioner: Does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

My questions are:

1. Does "infinite whole" mentioned in 13.9 refer to "Light of love?"
2. In 13.9, light has its characteristics of "straight line", I can only imagine it is like a torch, when turned on, the light is coming straight out. Am I correct on that?
3. Why this "straight line" characteristics was "paradoxcially described?"
4. What is "straight line spiral" like? Does this actually is the paradox Ra mentioned?
5. What is "creative principal" mentioned in 13.9?

Many thanks in advance!
Robert

Hi Robert, great questions! I found it difficult to wrap my head around the concept at first too. Some of these concepts take some contemplation or meditation to get the mind outside the box and see a bigger angle, haha!

The Creative Principle Ra mentioned a few times is Love or the Logos or the One Original Thought.  

The infinite whole basically means that each photon, or particle of light, or each thing in the universe, no matter how big or tiny it is, contains the entire creation/universe/infinity within it. The Creator is within every part of the universe.

To answer your other questions I will paste in Ra's answers to help with getting a clearer picture.

"The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle."

This is basically saying that all matter is condensed light--it is holographic. All matter is made out of vibrating and rotating photons and possesses a fractal-holographic nature [everything that exists is made out of geometry]. Photons or particles constantly oscillate between time/space and space/time. The creation process always begins within the unseen or metaphysical portion of the universe [the Confederation call it time/space]; the visible physical portion of the universe comes into existence through the creation of the photon or light.

"This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it.

This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets of revolving and tending towards the lenticular."

This is basically saying again that the infinite whole [aka the whole universe or infinity or unity or creation] is present within each thing or part. What Ra means by this being paradoxical is that, as I have said, each photon or particle of light contains the infinite whole within it yet it is able to be seen or measured as a straight-line; in other words, photons are typically measured as travelling at c in a straight-line and yet there is a paradox because each particle of light or thing in the creation contains the entire infinity within it.  So, we have the infinite whole represented by a straight line, or a straight-line spiral (corkscrew).  The rotating, spiraling aspect of the photon is responsible for the spiral shapes we see in nature and the rotational aspects of the planets, suns, galaxies, the electrons around the nucleus of an atom, and so on.

"The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change."

This is saying the same thing again about lights spiraling or rotating nature and how I said that light can be measured or represented by a straight-line or straight-line spiral/corkscrew. This is also what propels the evolution of mind, body and spirit [it also relates to the chakras/energy-centers, and sub-densities, and so on]. This phenomena of light also plays a role in physical evolution, although this process also involves intelligent energy or love/light and the free will of the Logos and stuff like that.
It is noteworthy that Ra answered with this in 59.11: "The term “upward spiraling light” is an indication, not of your up and down concept, but an indication of the concept of that which reaches towards the source of love and light. Thus all light or prana is upward spiraling but its direction, as you understand this term, is unregimented and not useful for work."

[LL_Robert]

Wow, you found a gem of a thread there. Siren knows her stuff. Too bad she's no longer registered. 
In physics, the visible light is but a segment of spectrum of electromagnetic waves/radiations. Thus I believe when Ra mentioned Light, they meant all spectrum of Light/electromagnetic waves. Light has many properties unknown to us. When we are in 3D, we can only experience a limited properties of Light. As one evolve to higher Ds, they will experience Light in fuller and fuller forms, eventually merge back into Light (it seems). 
I think some of the replies to her thread were confused because they thought only something without a solid form can be called an illusion. But electromagnetic fields interacting with each other forming boundary and shapes that are impenetrable without force between dense 3D materials. A solid wall is probably not impenetrable to higher density beings. That's why to reincarnate here, wanderers have to lower their vibration to become suitable in a "dense" form. 

It's cool that you associated the light bending under gravity with the spiraling light concept. I'm sure there's some connection. I would say that it's not gravity that bends light but gravity giving us the illusion that light is being bent. :-D

Thanks again Learner! I agree with you that "solid" in our world is not solid at all. I have actually read a book about it. It was title "Walking Through Walls" by Philp Smith. In that, the author's father was healer in Miami and implied that could walk through walls. In fact, this was the book I read just before I have found "Law of One."

[LL_Robert]

Thanks Luke for your detailed elaboration! As I mentioned earlier in this post, I actually have come across a previous post in this forum "https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5005" and I found yours interpretation echoes with each other!

What I was really fascinated to know was how the One Creator process this creation process from beyond time and space to this time/space continuum. Ra gave critical info about Co-creators, Light and this straight-line spiral concept. These helps but made me eager to know more haha. But I guess there is no way for this to be known by our 3rd density mind alone. So, in total agreement with what u mention at the beginning, meditation and contemplation is the way!    :idea:

[LL_Robert]

I wonder if energy on its way up, doesn’t collect all energy flows, and so is actually spiraling straight up but is spiraling as it is actually collecting too

Could be, since there are Co-creators. But at this stage these are only speculations.