Quote:13.9 Questioner: Then can you tell me how [the] galaxy and this planetary system were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

13.17 Questioner: Does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

(08-11-2020, 11:58 PM)peregrine Wrote: These questions ride on the edge of mystery and so, in my view, one can only hope for approximate and unsatisfying answers.  And I am not trying to be discouraging, just realistic.

An alternative to trying to solidify the ineffable could be to try to discern an inner resonance with the mystery of fact and material emanating from intelligence and love creating potentiation for such....for such as Robert, for instance.

(08-12-2020, 12:07 AM)Great Central Sun Wrote: Here is a Kirlian photograph of the spiral light from a pyramid:

(08-11-2020, 03:49 AM)LL_Robert Wrote: My questions are:1. Does "infinite whole" mentioned in 13.9 refer to "Light of love?"

(08-11-2020, 03:49 AM)LL_Robert Wrote: 2. In 13.9, light has its characteristics of "straight line", I can only imagine it is like a torch, when turned on, the light is coming straight out. Am I correct on that?

(08-11-2020, 03:49 AM)LL_Robert Wrote: 3. Why this "straight line" characteristics was "paradoxcially described?"

(08-11-2020, 03:49 AM)LL_Robert Wrote: 4. What is "straight line spiral" like? Does this actually is the paradox Ra mentioned?

(08-11-2020, 03:49 AM)LL_Robert Wrote: 5. What is "creative principal" mentioned in 13.9?

(08-11-2020, 03:49 AM)LL_Robert Wrote: Hi Brothers and Sisters,

It has been I have questions regarding the characteristics of light that mentioned in 13.9 and 13.17. Firstly, I copy the two question as below:

Quote:13.9 Questioner: Then can you tell me how [the] galaxy and this planetary system were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

13.17 Questioner: Does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

My questions are:

1. Does "infinite whole" mentioned in 13.9 refer to "Light of love?"
2. In 13.9, light has its characteristics of "straight line", I can only imagine it is like a torch, when turned on, the light is coming straight out. Am I correct on that?
3. Why this "straight line" characteristics was "paradoxcially described?"
4. What is "straight line spiral" like? Does this actually is the paradox Ra mentioned?
5. What is "creative principal" mentioned in 13.9?

Many thanks in advance!
Robert

[font=arial, sans-serif]I hope I'm making sense. Namaste  [/font]

(08-14-2020, 04:42 AM)LL_Robert Wrote: Thanks very much Infinite and Learner!

Thanks Learner, thanks for your detailed answer. Your answer to my Q.4 reminds me the phenomenon where by light would bent under gravity (something like that).

On a side note, I have come across a previous post in this forum "https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=5005"

Maybe I am wrong, but I think the author in that post essentially wanted to convey the idea that from density 1-6 (7th or above I am not sure), all the creation was made from light. It just get more intense in terms of energy density. Also, to some extent, that post shed some light on the question I raise.

(08-11-2020, 03:49 AM)LL_Robert Wrote: Hi Brothers and Sisters,

It has been I have questions regarding the characteristics of light that mentioned in 13.9 and 13.17. Firstly, I copy the two question as below:

Quote:13.9 Questioner: Then can you tell me how [the] galaxy and this planetary system were formed?

Ra: I am Ra. You must imagine a great leap of thought in this query, for at the last query the physical, as you call, it, universes were not yet born.

The energies moved in increasingly intelligent patterns until the individualization of various energies emanating from the creative principle of intelligent infinity became such as to be co-Creators. Thus the so-called physical matter began. The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle.

This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it. This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets, all revolving and tending towards the lenticular.

13.17 Questioner: Does this first density then progress to greater awareness?

Ra: The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change.

My questions are:

1. Does "infinite whole" mentioned in 13.9 refer to "Light of love?"
2. In 13.9, light has its characteristics of "straight line", I can only imagine it is like a torch, when turned on, the light is coming straight out. Am I correct on that?
3. Why this "straight line" characteristics was "paradoxcially described?"
4. What is "straight line spiral" like? Does this actually is the paradox Ra mentioned?
5. What is "creative principal" mentioned in 13.9?

Many thanks in advance!
Robert

Quote:"The concept of light is instrumental in grasping this great leap of thought as this vibrational distortion of infinity is the building block of that which is known as matter, the light being intelligent and full of energy, thus being the first distortion of intelligent infinity which was called by the creative principle."

Quote:"This light of love was made to have in its occurrences of being certain characteristics, among them the infinite whole paradoxically described by the straight line, as you would call it.

This paradox is responsible for the shape of the various physical illusion entities you call solar systems, galaxies, and planets of revolving and tending towards the lenticular."

Quote:"The spiraling energy, which is the characteristic of what you call “light,” moves in straight line spiral thus giving spirals an inevitable vector upwards to a more comprehensive beingness with regards to intelligent infinity. Thus, first dimensional beingness strives towards the second-density lessons of a type of awareness which includes growth rather than dissolution or random change."

(08-14-2020, 04:50 PM)Learner Wrote: Wow, you found a gem of a thread there. Siren knows her stuff. Too bad she's no longer registered. 
In physics, the visible light is but a segment of spectrum of electromagnetic waves/radiations. Thus I believe when Ra mentioned Light, they meant all spectrum of Light/electromagnetic waves. Light has many properties unknown to us. When we are in 3D, we can only experience a limited properties of Light. As one evolve to higher Ds, they will experience Light in fuller and fuller forms, eventually merge back into Light (it seems). 
I think some of the replies to her thread were confused because they thought only something without a solid form can be called an illusion. But electromagnetic fields interacting with each other forming boundary and shapes that are impenetrable without force between dense 3D materials. A solid wall is probably not impenetrable to higher density beings. That's why to reincarnate here, wanderers have to lower their vibration to become suitable in a "dense" form. 

It's cool that you associated the light bending under gravity with the spiraling light concept. I'm sure there's some connection. I would say that it's not gravity that bends light but gravity giving us the illusion that light is being bent. :-D

(08-15-2020, 09:34 AM)flofrog Wrote: I wonder if energy on its way up, doesn’t collect all energy flows, and so is actually spiraling straight up but is spiraling as it is actually collecting too