female wanderers

[Glow]

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[Glow]

You are reducing what I am saying.

And you're reading into what I'm saying. Who said that women don't go on hero journeys? I'm talking about just a small aspect of life. No, the totality of a woman's life is not based on superficial courtships in her youth. Does it even need to be said?

Sure there could be a princess archetype but to claim the hero’s journey is male is rediculous. Even the originator himself said “it is found in every great storey ever told. Not every great male storey, every great storey.

He said the hero journey decribed male initiation into manhood. So what? Where did he say women can't go on hero journeys? Like every story of transformation can be made to fit into the hero's journey. So are women just not allowed to transform ever, except when told by men?

Who honestly thinks that!? You must think we're all drooling 2-dimensional idiots with bigotry for brains.

And you know what, who a woman chooses to have a child with is EXTREMELY important, to her happiness, the child's happiness and even society as a whole. The fall from vanity/pride to humbleness/modesty is very important in a general sense for women AND men.

As to saying womens has to do with loss of wealth or value that is a societal construct. The perceived loss of value for women, and gaining of value for men YIKES do you see where that idea came from?

It’s not reality.
That’s men deciding their red ray determines women’s value and women believing what they are told.

Glow, it's in the definition, sexual MARKET value. Yes of course it's a social construct. And yes, of course men decide what gives women sexual market value, just like women decide what gives men their sexual market value.

It's like women get their ideas about men from Hollywood, thinking they should all work till they drop dead while playing the sauve bond type. "Happy wife, happy life" afterall. See how this game is played. But NO-ONE is saying YOU or ANYONE needs to play this stupid game.

Sure the princess storey can be part of a hero’s journey but it certainly is not the 1 option for women in their hero’s journey. We are quite varied, and full of potential for transformation.

Actually, the female initiation story spoken about was realising that the 'princess' role is a temptation and full of lies to keep women AWAY from their potential and wisdom, which is in opposition to the Cinderella story (where a man saves the day) which is way more popular in popular media.

But at the end of the day, who cares, these are all just ideas. People are allowed to think whatever the ell they want.

I think it's a pretty common thing for women in their early 20's to come across/be offered a relationship based on status, but it's likely that a wanderess will see it for the gilded cage that it is. Who would stay in a relationship where their true self remained invisible for riches?

I watched a video recently about how well defined the male initiation myth of the hero's journey is so well established in our cultures, but the female inititaion story is not so well founded and it was described as a fall from riches to rags, where the prized status and riches of being a princess are stripped away and she decends into a life of poverty and struggle in which true meaning and love is appreciated and understood. A kind of reverse cinderella.

He actually did say the hero’s journey was the male initiation myth. Then offered an ulternate obviously more clearly limited transformation to be the female initiation storey.

I’m not arguing anything about what you enjoy, it how they wish you walk their path.

My response was in this and has been clearly stated.
They believe the hero’s journey to be men’s initiation storey, offering up a very shallow limited version as the female version

the hero’s journey is not a male initiation storey “it is in all great stories” not great men’s storeys, great storeys.

I only respond I responded to your comment to me is because you called me out for not being on board which the assertion and limiting discussion when honestly I was not at all on board and was trying to explain why.

Like you said it’s one aspect. But that’s not at all what was presented and I was responding to.

[Navaratna]

"It's like women get their ideas about men from Hollywood, thinking they should all work till they drop dead while playing the sauve bond type. "Happy wife, happy life" afterall."

LOL it's a thought I have that I keep to myself for the most part.

I've met girls that are the type in to the ideas on this board but have nothing at all in common with their military husband who has zero interest in any of it. That can't imagine why their husbands don't feel any of it.
Wat.

I wonder how the Hell those relationships manage to work but it is none of my business at all...and the guy can work 10-12 hours a day at a job like that anyway so they barely see each other. This is often completely normal to people.

That's like the opposite end of women who only date guys that live in their van that I have met. It doesn't bother me.

There's no reason to get offended over these comments I think its funny. Say anything about males and I wouldn't get worked up over it.

[Louisabell]

He actually did say the hero’s journey was the male initiation myth. Then offered an ulternate obviously more clearly limited transformation to be the female initiation storey.

Limited transformation? Wow.

About 10 years ago I was given the option to never have to work a day in my life ever again. I walked away because I didn't love the man. It's not like he was bad looking, I just knew he would never love me the way I wanted.

Are we going to pretend that young men get given that option at anything close to the frequency as young women?

I am still proud today of the integrity and faith I had at such a young age to do that. Faith in a love that I didn't even know was yet possible.

I don't think it was a limited tranformation at all. I used to shudder when guys said they would "treat me like a princess". I'm not a princess. I'm a red blooded adult human female.

IF ONLY men got the opportunity to have THAT kind of initiation into the world.

[Glow]

i own an apology to every woman whom my post have made uncomfortable. i didn't want to sound as if i slam most women as mercantile beings and praise most men as spiritual creatures. merely i wanted to hear some stories about your feminine way out of slumber, how did it look from your eyes as a female wanderer? think female wanderer TED-talk. i've heard such stories from men, but i've never heard any from women.

i also shared my issue that most women i have known closely didn't express desire to seek truth or look beyond security of material benefits. i assume i did frame it too harsh though and was sloppy enough to overstretch it to all women. i apologize for that too. still, i can't deny my own experience, experiences of my friends and observations. please note i do not take either gloat or hate towards women in that.
as an example, i have lesbian friend who agreed with me as she got tired of plenty of women in her working environment who hold wealthy lifestyle, succesful marriage and family as pinnacle of their dreams with no spiritual aspirations whatsoever.

that is not to say such women don't exist or women are somehow spiritually inferior. as most of our population is in slumber, it is expected that both men and women alike show little interest in spiritual development and polarizing. the point of my question is how do those women who became awakened see things, what are their goals, how do they go through life, what's their take on mating and gender relationship in our troubled society nowadays, what do they practice or what approach for spiritual development do they take, etc. Ra said that the most common of difficulties for wanderers are alienation and isolation - as a female wanderer how do you deal with these? do you feel it strongly in your life?
since i haven't met such a women hence my curiosity.

I was isolated my whole life. I mean I was my own counsel by 4, parents were a liability to survival instead of help, so yes I relate. The world was to violent, to selfish, very wounded, foolish/short sighted,

I wanted to go home. Before I could talk I would stare out the window at the sky and wish to go home, though I consciously did not know where home was. I just knew this wasn’t it. Earth. I still know this place isn’t quite right. It’s the veil.

I had friends growing up but the disparity between how others lived and perceived even the smallest detail made me feel estranged. Well I was alone. Alone my whole life except for the adults that allowed my abuse or abused me, or the kids at school that filled time but we’re normal kids with normal families. I was different,

Animals were my refuge. They knew how to love, how to be loved, how to forgive, how to protect and nurture. Good role models, not great at helping with homework or packing your lunch

Anyways I guess I was just alone. My husband is a wanderer but a different type. He doesn’t seek at all. As I have revelations it’s revealed to him in his subconscious and we stay mostly at the same level once I reach new understanding. I was with him less alone but still on my own in the journey.

I’ve found a few other wanderers now it’s nice but they haven’t always been ready to walk the path so I was alone on the path except a few instances of temporarily having someone to walk it with.

Now at 42 I have a few I can talk about this stuff with, share the journey but oddly they arrived only when I had already merged enough with my higherself that feeling alienated isn’t a thing I experience anymore.

I feel connected to everyone so I guess, level unlocked now the game is multiplayer.

Not sure that’s relevant but it gets better.

I hope you are blessed with companions to share the journey.
Look for those who also focus on the unusual aspects.
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[Glow]

He actually did say the hero’s journey was the male initiation myth. Then offered an ulternate obviously more clearly limited transformation to be the female initiation storey.

Limited transformation? Wow.

About 10 years ago I was given the option to never have to work a day in my life ever again. I walked away because I didn't love the man. It's not like he was bad looking, I just knew he would never love me the way I wanted.

Are we going to pretend that young men get given that option at anything close to the frequency as young women?

I am still proud today of the integrity and faith I had at such a young age to do that. Faith in a love that I didn't even know was yet possible.

I don't think it was a limited tranformation at all. I used to shudder when guys said they would "treat me like a princess". I'm not a princess. I'm a red blooded adult human female.

IF ONLY men got the opportunity to have THAT kind of initiation into the world.

I do not know what we are arguing about. I’m not arguing anything.

My comment limited transformation is meaning it limits it to 1 form of transformation not that it is limited.

As to your storey. I had a similar offer 5 or 6 years ago.

He said “How would you like half my stuff, quite rich and well known in California, he proposed marriage saying how he always thought I would be a great partner, having been friends for several years, and actually knowing I was married. Turned that down in a blink. He tried again a few times till I stopped even replying.

It didn’t transform me. But your situation you were likely dating so could see how it would take inner knowing to know it wasn’t for you.

Me saying it’s limited transformation is because it’s 1 way only.
There is no need to take offence I’m not sure why you are reading it that way.

My transformation was of aloneness, abused(sexual, psychological, and physical), vulnerable, broken, abandoned, belief in being garbage, a throw away and slowly one by one shedding each of those parts and becoming strong, secure, healed, the helper to those alone or abandoned.

Making that the female version of hero’s journey would also be limiting women.

Not sure how much clearer I can be.

Your offence shown in your comment

“ Limited transformation? Wow.”

Shows there is a miscommunication because that is not at all what I implied.

My objection was to even needing a female counterpart to the hero’s journey they were implying was male.

We don’t it’s not a men’s initiation into the journey, it’s simply initiation into the journey for all.

[Glow]

I’m signing off for a while. I’ve spent to much time here the last few days and life is pressing on with enough to manage.

I hope you all stay well. See you soon, online.

[Louisabell]

@ Glow - All good. Sometimes it's hard to have intense conversations on forums without them looking like an argument. I think a lot of interesting stuff came out. I loved hearing your stories, maybe someday you can elaborate on them. I relate to a lot. No offence taken, always.

[Ray711]

I think when looking at gender and the catalysts that each gender tends to deal with, the tarot card The Lovers as explained by Ra is very representative of what tends to happen in people's lives. The male, being the one that makes the reaching, is tempted by both the maiden and the prostitute, and either remains in the sinkhole of indifference, holding both their hands and unable to move, or he lets go of one to truly embrace the other. This being the choice of the male, it can be said that the archetypal choice of the female is to choose whether she herself becomes a maiden or a prostitute. With the great power that it entails to be the one who awaits the reaching, the basic choice is of whether to tempt the one who makes the reaching with the superficial aspects of life, or with the deeper ones.

This is just archetypal, of course. In the end, as we know, every male is also female, and every female is also male. We all do the reaching in one sense, and we also await the reaching.

Human society being human society, it's no surprise that more entities, both male and female, each in their own way, are choosing the superficial.

Many use the trunk and roots of mind as if that portion of mind were a badly used, prostituted entity. Then this entity gains from this great storehouse that which is rough, prostituted, and without great virtue. Those who turn to the deep mind, seeing it in the guise of the maiden, go forth to court it. The courtship has nothing of plunder in its semblance and may be protracted, yet the treasure gained by such careful courtship is great. The right-hand and left-hand transformations of the mind may be seen to differ by the attitude of the conscious mind towards its own resources as well as the resources of other-selves.

The concept of the pull towards mental polarity may well be examined in the light of what the student has already accreted concerning the nature of the conscious, exemplified by the male, and the unconscious, exemplified by the female. Indeed, both the prostituted and the virginal of deep mind invite and await the reaching.
In this image of Transformation of Mind, then, each of the females points the way it would go, but is not able to move, nor are the two female entities striving to do so. They are at rest. The conscious entity holds both and will turn itself one way or the other or, potentially, backwards and forwards, rocking first one way then the other and not achieving the transformation. In order for the Transformation of Mind to occur, one principle governing the use of the deep mind must be abandoned.

[Hilarion]

He actually did say the hero’s journey was the male initiation myth. Then offered an ulternate obviously more clearly limited transformation to be the female initiation storey.

I think your reading too much into what I meant by male and female. As I was viewing it a woman has both a masculine and feminine nature and no one gender is limited to a specific initiation. I meant that the hero's journey is a 'journey' and this type of active engagement and conquest in the world in more typical of the masculilne archetypes than the more passive receptive nature of the feminine.

I think what your saying is from tarot the fool is not really a gender specific archetype and that you strongly associate the heros journey with tarot and this archetype. I was more looking at the hero's journey as it is portrayed in Hollywood movies, take the matrix as an example, the leads are mostly men and the story involves masculine things like fighting, exploring, conquering. Female lead movies are mostly about relationships. This is of course a massive generalisation. The male lead chooses his polarity by actively pursuing a just cause and fixing the injustices in the world. The woman lead chooses her polarity by discovering love and wisdom through relationships.


I was just mentioning it as an intersting thoughtpiece that I watched, if it doesn't fit your personal tarot view then discard it....

[Navaratna]

Why does the gender of this person turn in to such an opinionated debate?

Kind of reminds me of some debate over the identity trans people or something lol

I don't really follow the controversy here.

I'll put it to you the way I see it however, as agreed and added to by a very unique, and memorable female who literally lived as a wandering artist.

Females are of dreams and night, of the home. The moon. Subtle, receptive nature of mind
Men are of the daytime, of the sun, of work and action. Physical, imposing nature of mind.

This isn't to say everyone has to fit in one of the two categories but it's active role and passive role. Tao
Moon density 8 chakra gem pearl
Sun density 9 chakra gem ruby

Fits in to the densities which as a part of the Zodiac correspond to the moon

https://www.bring4th.org/forums/showthre...?tid=18204

visualized

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadi_(yoga...System.svg

Navaratna
9 densities
Ruby (māṇikyaṃ) for Surya (taraṇeḥ) (Sun), Here
Pearl (muktāphalaṃ) for Chandra (Moon), SEE
Red coral (vidrumaṃ) for Mangala (māheya) (Mars),
Emerald (maratakaṃ) for Budha (saumya) (Mercury),
Yellow sapphire (puṣparājaṃ) for Bṛhaspati (devejya) (Jupiter),
Diamond (vajraṃ) for Shukra (asurācārya) (Venus),
Blue sapphire (nīlaṃ) for Shani (Saturn),
Hessonite (gomeda) for Rahu (the ascending lunar node)
Cat's eye (vaidūryaṃ) for Ketu (the descending lunar node),

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Strip away the body, strip away the mind, strip away the spirit and we have consciousness, undifferentiated and whole, which knows no gender. The journey back to that source may be varied, but the goal is ever the same.

Culture is a technology that allows us humans to create systems of meaning in an otherwise meaningless world, and culture runs on stories. The stories we tell ourselves shape the way we perceive and interact with the world, but the thing to remember is that they are just stories and they can be helpful or harmful. I think many of the stories our culture tells fall in the latter category, which serve to divide rather than unite people. One set of particularly harmful stories are those that can be categorized under the heading of patriarchy, stories which idealize violent aggression in men and submission in women.

Not just as wanderers but as a culture we need to examine the stories we tell ourselves with a critical eye. 

A biological male can exemplify the archetype of the High Priestess just as a biological female can exemplify the archetype of the Magician. The depicted genders in those cards are meant to convey symbolic meaning based on a cultural context that assigns certain characteristics to each gender, not an ultimate truth that supports gender essentialism.

Just my thoughts on the subject, take 'em or leave 'em.

[Glow]

Strip away the body, strip away the mind, strip away the spirit and we have consciousness, undifferentiated and whole, which knows no gender. The journey back to that source may be varied, but the goal is ever the same.

Culture is a technology that allows us humans to create systems of meaning in an otherwise meaningless world, and culture runs on stories. The stories we tell ourselves shape the way we perceive and interact with the world, but the thing to remember is that they are just stories and they can be helpful or harmful. I think many of the stories our culture tells fall in the latter category, which serve to divide rather than unite people. One set of particularly harmful stories are those that can be categorized under the heading of patriarchy, stories which idealize violent aggression in men and submission in women.

Not just as wanderers but as a culture we need to examine the stories we tell ourselves with a critical eye. 

A biological male can exemplify the archetype of the High Priestess just as a biological female can exemplify the archetype of the Magician. The depicted genders in those cards are meant to convey symbolic meaning based on a cultural context that assigns certain characteristics to each gender, not an ultimate truth that supports gender essentialism.

Just my thoughts on the subject, take 'em or leave 'em.

Exactly

[Louisabell]

I, like many here, have worked on consciousness. I have especially worked on the archetypical Magician aspect of mind, which as a reflection of the environment, was initially quite overbearing and dominating, which only throttled my capacity for creative insight. Once we work towards balancing the Magician with the Priestess (as Ray pointed out), then we may see how this may transform the Empress and Emperor dynamic.

It would make sense to have absorbed cultural expressions of gender dynamics in childhood, and see this play out in the very way we balance those penetrating and receptive aspects of Self.

Perhaps even more ripe for fruit, is to analyse what biases we have formed - what aspects disturb us the most about gender expression in society, and see how we may be mirroring that in the Self.

If one has any connection with group mind and universal mind, then we know that those deepest parts of the Self are genderless. Penetrating and receptive dynamics play out in all types of intercourse - be it procreation, social, discussion, project work, ritual, prayer, art creation... well any form of manifestation between two portions of the Creator.

But that is not what this thread started out being.

This thread was started out of a curiosity to see how portions of the Creator may have had a unique and different experience based on being in a female physical body, as oppose to an experience in a male physical body. I have attempted to do that to the best of my ability. You could say I was receptive enough to allow the question to penetrate deeply within. I tried to search for what I believe was the biggest difference in my life which was completely dependent on the fact that my body was female.

We are a dioecious species and I have shared what I have observed openly. Don't shoot the messenger.

It is far from the most important part of my life. My physical body and it's interaction with society has very little to do with the totality of me as a being.

Personally I don't like saying I have "masculine" traits or "feminine" traits. I think it narrows gender roles even further. Instead, I prefer to say I have penetrative traits and receptive traits, and I think I do both relatively well, as do others here.

I am genuinely interested in the male body experience, how it may relate or differ from my own. But hasn't it been said enough times that gender roles are illusionary at best, destructive at worst?

[Navaratna]

"I am genuinely interested in the male body experience, how it may relate or differ from my own. But hasn't it been said enough times that gender roles are illusionary at best, destructive at worst? "

Notice how men have upper bodies very large. Strong arms/chest and broad shoulders are attractive to many women.
While men oftentimes want women who are voluminous on the lower half of their forms

Arms, action. Seating, passive.
Active/passive are the terms I prefer.

In the way the minds are different, in gestation all brains begin as female and testosterone shapes the brain in to it's masculine patterns. Female brains have more a subtle way of detecting sound.

https://arlenetaylor.org/sensory-prefere...ifferences

Arms often bring home treasure through labor. Masculine is the passionate workforce of the daytime while outside the light of Sun pervades
Plump legs are common in women who are well fed. Feminine is the household of dreams. Moon.

UNDERSTANDING MAGICIAN

"My understanding, helped by my readings and my own conclusions, is that the garden represents the subconsciousness. The Magician draws from the arbor (superconsciousness) and directing his will, he plants seeds in the ground of the garden (subconsciousness), resulting in the 5 five-petaled roses and 4 six-petaled lilies.

In reading Paul Foster Case's 'The Tarot,' he states that the roses (symbolic of desire-nature), represent 'that phase of subconscious response to self-conscious direction which has to do with art, invention, and the adaptation of the principles of abstract truth to practical ends.' And then, that there are five of them because all desire is related to sensation, there being 5 traditional senses. The 4 six-petaled white lilies have six petals which is signified as the hexagram, a symbol of the macrocosm. Hermetic science concerns itself with the laws of the Macrocosm, thus there are 4 lilies because these laws exist in the 4 worlds (Archetypal, creative, formative, and material).

The garden itself makes sense to me, however the fruits, or the flowers, that eventually grow just aren't clicking for me. Everything else clicks.

I don't expect anybody to work this out for me, obviously that is something one must do for themselves. I just figured it might be helpful to hear other's perspectives on the card, and specifically this aspect of it ....

thanks !" - !SILLYPUMPKINS!



https://www.llresearch.org/homecomings/h...andout.pdf

or google
jupiter quincunx site:llresearch.org
jupiter site:llresearch.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quincunx

"For astrology, the winter solstice of 2012 is the end of the Age of Pisces and the beginning of the Age of Aquarius.
The Sun is at 0 degrees Capricorn. It makes a sextile to Neptune, right at the beginning of Pisces. The most
important configuration is a yod, also called the Finger of God. It looks like an arrow in the chart and it indicates
change and transformations. The yod consists of a five-point connection between Jupiter and Pluto and another
five-point connection between Jupiter and Saturn. There is also a central opposition made between Jupiter and the
Mercury/Venus conjunction. The quincunx between Jupiter and Pluto is exact at December 21, 2012"

Divination is the purpose of both the I ching and the Tarot. Tarot mystic: give me 5$ I'll shuffle my deck and lay out the cards related to the personal energy I'm channeling from you and tell you what I think your future holds

I Ching confucian: Hmm...I need to make a decision about where our monks will meditate on our retreat. I'm going to go get some yarrow stalks and fold them as I flip a coin to see where this book of changes/fate tells me where we should go and on which day...
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Divination has more than one meaning, it means future-telling to most people but it also means inner illumination

Novelty theory in the context mentioned on the PDF page means that the purpose of reality, as evidenced by the way that biological systems integrate--is to create more interconnectivity between an individuals mind, interconnectivity within a collectively conscious mind. Neurons connecting with synapses more and more densely, and evolution later unfolding by computer screens across continents

It is no coincidence than the I ching was proven to be a lunar calendar, zodiac calendar, and an axial precession tracking mechanism. The mathematics are there, it is structured the same way DNA and Lunar cycles are. They are the same thing with a different name.

It is no coincidence than the tarot is related to the Zodiac ages. They are images but also-- compressed astrological influences. Ra says it was to help lower level entities progress toward higher densities of understanding, which in my mind means it's like showing a monkey an image of "3" then 3 fingers held up "3" and giving the monkey an image of "3 bananas" and giving him 3 bananas to understand because simple monkey can't count. Maybe he'll understand instead of verbally counting to 3 and expecting him to not just walk away. This isn't me criticizing the use of Tarot. It is what Ra describes it as.

In the same way that my "nonsensical rambling" the term people at times have used to mock my info--"WATS THAT MEAN FOR ME tho!?!" depicting math around the number 64 I could just show someone a picture of a moon with a caduceus on top in order to make it easier to understand.

cuz reading 50 walls of text seems easier to some people I've tried to communicate to-- instead of visualizing a hologram of a chessboard [they have 64 squares] with puppet strings attached to each cell of your body-- invisibly floating above your 7th chakra where the moon is-- influencing your interactions with everything in a way that can be calculated aeons before and ahead of time. Even towards higher levels such as the Sun, density 9, and what lately is starting to look like the planet Jupiter at 10 [Hamsa yoga in hindu astrology] ascending all the way to 14 densities.
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Ra: "Hey homo erectus, you can't graph timetables but how about as I, a supreme infinite god-entity named Ra give you a pic of caduceus on moon or send a big monolith like in 2001: Space odyssey...go meditate on the moon and good things will happen!"

Ra hoping that the minds of these entities will become energized enough to understand the data at a later date. Hell even today though, advanced computer software had to be created to make the I Ching mathematics something that could be visualized who does math in their head around the numbers related to 25,728 years?
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Astrology/astronomy I don't see the dichotomy people hype up for the most part.

I'm not insulting anyone's intelligence. This is learning. This is how the Tarot is described in Law of One. Ra sending images to help people progress as a simple way to understand conscious evolution when humans were less evolved. Planetary influences are mentioned. The first reading on the LOO tarot page describes how it was derived from data that ancient Mesopotamians channeled and brought to Egypt to try and help people progress.

In books I remember reading about these concepts, the idea did indeed have something to do with a supracosmic energy flowing from the Sun as center of solar system and the galactic center of Milky Way. Lately Jupiter seems significant to me as an aspect of it as 10th density


http://sahajayogaencyclopedia.org/index....Sahastrara
Magician is a conscious astrologer, seer/prophet. It's worth noting the term Magi [wise men] comes from Zoroastrianism, and the Mexican prime deity Huitztilopochtli is the hummingbird magi represented by Mars..


For an even deeper understanding, waterlilies are another word for lotus, the I Ching as a Hexagram and the patterns of a hexagram being re-encoded in the hierarchy are a part of the formulations. 6 lines is a hexagram, 64 hexagram is an entire I ching board hence they are a part of the inherent structuring amplified multiple times. Refer to the quincunx:


"And then, that there are five of them because all desire is related to sensation, there being 5 traditional senses. The 4 six-petaled white lilies have six petals which is signified as the hexagram, a symbol of the macrocosm. "

"Dearest, (in the pinda exist) the chakras of five lines, 16 lines, sixty four petals, the truly beautiful 100 petal (lotus)[Agnya?] and the beautiful thousand petal lotus [Sahasrara] and above this is a very brilliant 10,000,000 petal lotus. Above the 10 million petal lotus is a 30,000,000 petal lotus, each pericarp of which is similar to a flame. Above this is the all encompassing, eternal, undivided, independent, steady lotus – pervading all, stainless. By its will (sveccha) it causes creation and dissolution. Both the animate and inaminate are dissolved in this linga. (Kaulajnananirnaya Tantra, a Nath: text)

Finally, the infinity symbol above the head of the magician can be related to a DNA double helix and Ouroboros. Kundalini. the infinity is a form of ouroboros

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

[Glow]

He actually did say the hero’s journey was the male initiation myth. Then offered an ulternate obviously more clearly limited transformation to be the female initiation storey.

I think your reading too much into what I meant by male and female. As I was viewing it a woman has both a masculine and feminine nature and no one gender is limited to a specific initiation. I meant that the hero's journey is a 'journey' and this type of active engagement and conquest in the world in more typical of the masculilne archetypes than the more passive receptive nature of the feminine.

I think what your saying is from tarot the fool is not really a gender specific archetype and that you strongly associate the heros journey with tarot and this archetype. I was more looking at the hero's journey as it is portrayed in Hollywood movies, take the matrix as an example, the leads are mostly men and the story involves masculine things like fighting, exploring, conquering. Female lead movies are mostly about relationships. This is of course a massive generalisation. The male lead chooses his polarity by actively pursuing a just cause and fixing the injustices in the world. The woman lead chooses her polarity by discovering love and wisdom through relationships.


I was just mentioning it as an intersting thoughtpiece that I watched, if it doesn't fit your personal tarot view then discard it....

The last bit about women’s actresses being featured only in romance is just because of how the program continues to build a world for men to play the lead in life and Hollywood.

Take the matrix as previously mentioned.

Trinity didn’t get the spotlight but do you think her journey was any less adventure and fighting and growing through it all till she was “the hero”. Both started in the pods, were awakend and she literally gave her life to save Neo, “the one” so without her being a hero there would be no “the one” he did the same. We just rarely tell the female storey.

Pop culture will have you believe women only think of relationships but that is the program again and we wanderers need to think deeper.

Right now I’m watching mad max.

It’s main hero is Max he’s a great character but any of the characters are also on hero’s journey.

Furiosa for sure, the little bald headed dude that breaks away inadvertently from his warm mongering boss, amazing hero’s journey as his character develops. Even some of the “princesses” each of them develop in a different way, the old bad ass many mothers if their storey of survival in the desert in post apocalyptic conditions were told again their stories would be amazing hero’s journeys.

And no I’m not personally comparing the hero’s journey to the fools in tarot. That’s actually what it is.

The person who coined the term noted it runs in all great stories through time. It’s the same storey. The tarot explained it first, modern culture calls it the hero’s journey, but it’s the same initiation storey.
It’s neither male or female, it’s transformation.

Regardless you and others may feel I am taking this too seriously but honestly we need to as wanderers who can see beyond the program stop perpetuatinv ideas that women are a side romance storey. an off shoot with the men the real exciting storey. We are the lead storey too. Just no one through resent history has really been portraying our stories.
I know I’m not wording that well enough but it’s really a concept I shouldn’t have to explain.

I know you didn’t mean any harm, just something you found interesting however if no one mentions it’s minimizing to imply the hero’s journey is for men, when it’s every humans path then how could you as a man know. I said it.

Anyways I have done these discussions enough over the years(well initiated) to no longer be a “fool” and think people will hear what they do not want to.

No offence taken from this thread or intended. Just an attempt to communicate and maybe not a very productive use of my time.

I will keep my opinions on this to myself because obviously I’m not getting them across appropriately anyways.

[Dtris]

It's late and I skimmed most of this but I want to chime in. It is easy to blame the opposite gender for romantic difficulties. It is easy to become resentful and to believe stereotypes.

What helps keep things in perspective is knowing that we have all been here before and we have to play both roles to move on. There is no superiority to either role. At the same time the genetic predispositions of our physical vehicles color the experience of all. Denying this truth is just as damaging as exaggerating it.

I will try to catch up completely tomorrow.

[Agua]

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[Louisabell]

As Byron Katie would say - if you think someone else needs the work, then you need the work

[flow]

I just wanted to say that there is nothing wrong or "lowly" for a person to pursue their own self interests with honesty. Just like we don't begrudge men for their preferences and desires, we shouldn't begrudge women for theirs. The continuation of the species is kind of important.

i agree. as i said i wasn't judging these intrinsic female desires. besides, red ray cakra is strong in both males and females. so both genders deal with survival and reproduction instincts the way nature and evolution imprinted us.

...If you are more disappointed at the widespread malaise of materialism, then I'm right there with you...

i am.. thank you Louisabell

i just kind of saddened that humanity is so compliant and obedient with sts global elite agenda. they basically exploit our desires for mating, for good sex, love, empathy and joy to make it a marketplace, where women are sellers and men are buyers. they submit us to treat our virtues and advantages as commodities. most young women nowadays measure their value based on their age and sex appeal with the goal of getting a man who will provide material wealth and security. most men measure their value based on their status, wealth and power with the goal of getting a women they find most sexually attractive. the whole situation stress the s*** out of both sides, creating lots of insecurities, depression, personality disorders, struggles with accepting ourselves the way we are for us, and a lot of opportunities to make money on our insecurities for them. one of our most sacred sphere where things supposedly have to be done with love and sincerety now became part of a soulless global market relations and is ruled by benefit, lies and manipulation. and yet so few people from both sides dare to think for themselves, dare to follow their own values, be perceptive and follow their own hearts, rejecting the soulless grip of false values, dare to pursue their own goals. i just wish more people utilize their free will and realize that most joy in life doesn't come from material benefits, it comes from sharing our love, appreciation for each other, from hugs, support, humor, inspiration, art, meditation, ypu name it. why do many people fail to see that you don't need that kind of car or this kind of fashion cloth to be happy or to be attractive for the opposite gender? it shouldn't be about competition, it should be about love, acceptance and contribution.

[Navaratna]

Yeah -should- but if an Islamist military nation with fighter jets and missiles like Iran chooses to try to invade hugs won't stop it.

Your focus shouldn't be despairing over how people aren't the way you want them to be.

What made me much happier is realizing negative people are a complete waste of my time because they just make negative things happen to people around them, and negative things happen to them as well. A lot of the time if you hang out with people who are like that, and try to be nice to them to set a better example it will usually kind wind up with them trying to take advantage of your generosity or impose their will on you because they'll consider you a vulnerable pacifist that is weak. It's just better to avoid those kinds of people.

It's your choice if you want to make friends with people who share your values and work towards something together or just feel endlessly upset over the way the things look on the surface. ]

[AnthroHeart]

Yeah -should- but if an Islamist military nation with fighter jets and missiles like Iran chooses to try to invade hugs won't stop it.

Your focus shouldn't be despairing over how people aren't the way you want them to be.

What made me much happier is realizing negative people are a complete waste of my time because they just make negative things happen to people around them, and negative things happen to them as well. A lot of the time if you hang out with people who are like that, and try to be nice to them to set a better example it will usually kind wind up with them trying to take advantage of your generosity or impose their will on you because they'll consider you a vulnerable pacifist that is weak. It's just better to avoid those kinds of people.

It's your choice if you want to make friends with people who share your values and work towards something together or just feel endlessly upset over the way the things look on the surface. ]

There's a quote in Huey Lewis' song The Power of Love that says "stronger than steel."
You just have to know how to leverage it.
The I-Ching Hexagram 9 is The Taming Power of the Small.
A small power (such as us) can tame a larger power, usually through gentleness.

[flow]

Yeah -should- but if an Islamist military nation with fighter jets and missiles like Iran chooses to try to invade hugs won't stop it.

things like this are directed by hidden hands to serve their purposes. i'm not saying you should believe this, merely sharing my point of view. i guess you still think countries are run by presidents/dictators/parliaments/etc. while it is global elites which pull strings. islamist to u.s. is what trade federation to senator palpatine
and about hugs -if you sincerely welcome your enemy as a friend, will he still raise a sword against you?

Your focus shouldn't be despairing over how people aren't the way you want them to be.

first - it's not 'them', it's 'us'. second - i don't want people to be anything but what they themselves want to be. i wish everyone happiness but what i see is people sowing seeds of suffering. my emotional response to this disparity is sadness.

It's your choice if you want to make friends with people who share your values and work towards something together or just feel endlessly upset over the way the things look on the surface.

i guess you got the image of me in your head pretty depressed. to me, everyone is a friend unless proof otherwise. and values i believe in are not 'mine', they are common and shared by many people. do i wish more people share them? yes, definitely.

[Navaratna]

And by "you" I am also saying that to myself.

It's what I had difficulty accepting and couldn't see meaning in a long time ago. You can meet people who already think the way you do and are open minded to idea or try and hit on a girl and starting talking to her about Law of One channeling Ra on the first date and how you want to energize her red ray. Trying to tell people about meditation when I was younger many times had resulted in them saying THAT SOUNDS SOOOOO BORING. Having a casual conversations with your neighbors about Sahaj samadhi isn't going to go anywhere other than them thinking you're weird and have some mysterious agenda for them. Talk about your third eye to your mail man next time you see him

As for global elite they are not elite. They are just people. They all bleed and age. I don't know if maybe some are reptilian humanoids but for the most part, I'm not convinced.

They are also people who do not see life with the Infinite mind. They're control freaks with pointless obsessions, they aren't supreme beings to me. They're not more elite than me.

[Louisabell]

i just kind of saddened that humanity is so compliant and obedient with sts global elite agenda. they basically exploit our desires for mating, for good sex, love, empathy and joy to make it a marketplace, where women are sellers and men are buyers. they submit us to treat our virtues and advantages as commodities. most young women nowadays measure their value based on their age and sex appeal with the goal of getting a man who will provide material wealth and security. most men measure their value based on their status, wealth and power with the goal of getting a women they find most sexually attractive. the whole situation stress the s*** out of both sides, creating lots of insecurities, depression, personality disorders, struggles with accepting ourselves the way we are for us, and a lot of opportunities to make money on our insecurities for them. one of our most sacred sphere where things supposedly have to be done with love and sincerety now became part of a soulless global market relations and is ruled by benefit, lies and manipulation. and yet so few people from both sides dare to think for themselves, dare to follow their own values, be perceptive and follow their own hearts, rejecting the soulless grip of false values, dare to pursue their own goals.

Flow, I have to agree with you. If anyone doesn't think that it is self evident then walk through a modern mall/shopping centre and just count all the stores dedicated to female vanity. It is a marketplace, not a billion dollar one, a trillion dollar one.

I have seen so many delicate niave souls get sucked in and believe the marketeers - that the very best way to attract a mate and find love is to beautify themselves with countless products. Then when they actually go out and meet the opposite gender, they find they have nothing in common because they've made their own beautification a life's mission. Then it's very hard to hold a male's attention for long, or seem unique against the swipe right line-up. The crazy thing is that this poor soul will then believe that the reason this is happening is because she is not beautiful enough, even though she is perfectly beautiful! There are countless marketeers telling her that they will solve her problem. So the vicious cycle continues.

I've honestly seen the happiness of many females (and males) destroyed by this.

I suppose some will say that these girls are doing it to make themselves happy and it has nothing to do with men. Well I'm very sorry, but I've spoken to a lot of these women and below the surface they are very lonely, fearful, bitter, envious and confused. Most people want love, no matter gender or age.

i just wish more people utilize their free will and realize that most joy in life doesn't come from material benefits, it comes from sharing our love, appreciation for each other, from hugs, support, humor, inspiration, art, meditation, ypu name it. why do many people fail to see that you don't need that kind of car or this kind of fashion cloth to be happy or to be attractive for the opposite gender? it shouldn't be about competition, it should be about love, acceptance and contribution.

It is people's innocence and confusion. People here might find it simple to go against the grain and do their own thing. But in the general population you have to understand the kind of entrenched fear. Many think that to go with the herd is their best bet. With the more people doing a thing, the safer/truer/riper the option. Kind of like how it is appealing to stop by a crowd to see what everyone is looking at.

36.24 Questioner: I’ll just ask one little short one that you may not be able to answer before the final… The short one is, can you tell me what percentage of the Wanderers on Earth today have been successful in penetrating the memory block and becoming aware who they are, and then finally, is there anything that we can do to make the instrument more comfortable or improve the contact?

Ra: I am Ra. We can approximate the percentage of those penetrating intelligently their status. This is between eight and one-half and nine and three-quarters percent. There is a larger percentile group of those who have a fairly well defined, shall we say, symptomology indicating to them that they are not of this, shall we say, “insanity.” This amounts to a bit over fifty percent of the remainder. Nearly one-third of the remainder are aware that something about them is different, so you see there are many gradations of awakening to the knowledge of being a Wanderer. We may add that it is to the middle and first of these groups that this information will, shall we say, make sense.

But I have found on my journey that there are no shoulds. Everyone is on their perfect path. There is nothing that the Creator won't do to awaken his children and bring them back into his heart.

Honestly, nowadays with every new realisation and insight into my true Self, I cry tears of joy, because I see how everything in my life unfolded in such and such a way for this moment to occur. For me to find out this higher truth myself. And my heart bursts with love for the Creator.

"Things don't happen to us, they happen for us"

[Louisabell]

"I am genuinely interested in the male body experience, how it may relate or differ from my own. But hasn't it been said enough times that gender roles are illusionary at best, destructive at worst? "

Notice how men have upper bodies very large. Strong arms/chest and broad shoulders are attractive to many women.
While men oftentimes want women who are voluminous on the lower half of their forms

Arms, action. Seating, passive.
Active/passive are the terms I prefer.

In the way the minds are different, in gestation all brains begin as female and testosterone shapes the brain in to it's masculine patterns. Female brains have more a subtle way of detecting sound.

https://arlenetaylor.org/sensory-prefere...ifferences

Arms often bring home treasure through labor. Masculine is the passionate workforce of the daytime while outside the light of Sun pervades
Plump legs are common in women who are well fed. Feminine is the household of dreams. Moon.

Navaranta, I was hoping to hear something more specific about you. It is you as a being that is more interesting than any occult knowledge. I wanted to know your observations, hopes, dreams, sufferings.

I really don't mean this with any offence at all, so please take it in the light humour it is intended, but your posts read to me like you've swallowed up the whole internet, turned around and shot it back out indiscriminately.

No doubt you're picking up on patterns that I can't see and by all means continue if it serves you, I'm just letting you know my experience.

[Navaratna]

"I am genuinely interested in the male body experience, how it may relate or differ from my own. But hasn't it been said enough times that gender roles are illusionary at best, destructive at worst? "

Notice how men have upper bodies very large. Strong arms/chest and broad shoulders are attractive to many women.
While men oftentimes want women who are voluminous on the lower half of their forms

Arms, action. Seating, passive.
Active/passive are the terms I prefer.

In the way the minds are different, in gestation all brains begin as female and testosterone shapes the brain in to it's masculine patterns. Female brains have more a subtle way of detecting sound.

https://arlenetaylor.org/sensory-prefere...ifferences

Arms often bring home treasure through labor. Masculine is the passionate workforce of the daytime while outside the light of Sun pervades
Plump legs are common in women who are well fed. Feminine is the household of dreams. Moon.

Navaranta, I was hoping to hear something more specific about you. It is you as a being that is more interesting than any occult knowledge. I wanted to know your observations, hopes, dreams, sufferings.

I really don't mean this with any offence at all, so please take it in the light humour it is intended, but your posts read to me like you've swallowed up the whole internet, turned around and shot it back out indiscriminately.

No doubt you're picking up on patterns that I can't see and by all means continue if it serves you, I'm just letting you know my experience.

A part of it is that I'm not the most masculine male. In my view masculinity at its strongest is usually aggression, and aggression at its maximum leads to the devastation of life.

I observe that everyone has a spirit or mystical force within them because this is simply mind. Each person calls it whatever they choose to, but oftentimes people are blind to it because they don't reflect on the concept enough because they're pressured in to being a cog in the machine and masses being ignorant to this truth makes their minds much weaker and more malleable.

I think people crave it. They play videogames, they love T.V. movies, birthdays with pinatas. They want this visionary, colorful, joyful stimuli. Religious people know it, and they try to control people with it by capturing domains where it dwells and calling all other forms of concentrating it heresy. (you must worship me by praying in front of me so I can absorb this unspoken energy while I just pretend to not absorb it and expect tax exempt religious donations. I won't say it though shh pray)

Hopes, dreams, suffering
Banish all the evil in the world.
Dream of purifying peoples minds
Suffering claustrophobia, the fear of people placing hooks on my consciousness so I can be dragged around like a fish to a stronger beings benefit. It's hard to get away from in modern times. Easier in some ways, more difficult in others. A caveman never needed to worry about a place to sleep, but would die young and only have so much time to evolve through densities. A modern man lives longer but works harder and are sequestered in boxes. Yet there is more awareness, more understanding, and life can be easier under certain circumstances than having to die from diseases or natural disasters without warning. Hunting constantly, a lack of safety stemming from a lack of societal accountability
Sadness from unintentionally intimidating people with my appearance. A lot of males face it but don't express it.

I think Linkin Park as much as they were mocked appealed to a generation of young males because they express a lot of the feelings that they go through. I can't think of one band throughout history that ever was as popular with as many young men as this band. I think it's like a gender studies semester could be built around understanding why this band was so incredibly famous and popular more to one gender in one age group. It tells you about the mind.

Whether socially adjusted or not, their music embodies the moods of pressure that guys they feel. It's difficult to adjust to expectations they've been given without asking for it and it's not cool to show the sadness/whining but the music gives it a voice. It's like how a generation of women went nuts over the Twilight series or like right now G Eazy is probably the most desirable man in their eyes. Clean, Caucasian, wealthy, well spoken. Stadiums of women want him. Want to understand what is attractive to girls in Western society? Good example


The otherworld is everywhere as the other world is every thing. It may appear to be concentrated in certain places and maybe it is, and I think it'd be the most beneficial thing a person could do for themselves. Create a conscious space through meditation or other means of divination. Transforming life through thought,

[Louisabell]

Hopes, dreams, suffering
Banish all the evil in the world.
Dream of purifying peoples minds
Suffering claustrophobia, the fear of people placing hooks on my consciousness so I can be dragged around like a fish to a stronger beings benefit. It's hard to get away from in modern times. Easier in some ways, more difficult in others. A caveman never needed to worry about a place to sleep, but would die young and only have so much time to evolve through densities. A modern man lives longer but works harder and are sequestered in boxes. Yet there is more awareness, more understanding, and life can be easier under certain circumstances than having to die from diseases or natural disasters without warning. Hunting constantly, a lack of safety stemming from a lack of societal accountability
Sadness from unintentionally intimidating people with my appearance. A lot of males face it but don't express it.

That's beautiful, thankyou. Nice to meet you  

[Navaratna]

Hopes, dreams, suffering
Banish all the evil in the world.
Dream of purifying peoples minds
Suffering claustrophobia, the fear of people placing hooks on my consciousness so I can be dragged around like a fish to a stronger beings benefit. It's hard to get away from in modern times. Easier in some ways, more difficult in others. A caveman never needed to worry about a place to sleep, but would die young and only have so much time to evolve through densities. A modern man lives longer but works harder and are sequestered in boxes. Yet there is more awareness, more understanding, and life can be easier under certain circumstances than having to die from diseases or natural disasters without warning. Hunting constantly, a lack of safety stemming from a lack of societal accountability
Sadness from unintentionally intimidating people with my appearance. A lot of males face it but don't express it.

That's beautiful, thankyou. Nice to meet you  

Thanks

[meadow-foreigner]

being a male, i always wonders how does the way back to the unity with One Infinite Creator feels from female perspective?

For me, it feels a neverending magnetic quest for the ideal connection bond. Connection is the keyword for me.

i found myself lacking affinity with most of women, who just want to have a strong, succeful wealthy husband, have children and family. that's quite suffocating to me. i'm not judging these intrinsic female desires.

Wealth is a universal right, for nature overflows with it. This is one thing.
Strength, from my perspective, is attractive as a virtue. The display of intensity, this relentless accomplishing of things; like a fire always burning brighter and brighter, it is as alluring as it is amusing, to me. It is amusing because this outward-ish orientation of these virtues display an inner void – which this connection helps to fill.

red ray cakra is strong in both males snd females. but most of a time women don't give a **ck to anything but what is  directly connected to procreation and material wealth.

I believe it's a matter of perspective. There is the outward-oriented expression, constantly seeking; there is the inward-oriented expression, which also constantly seeks, but in a different way. Both want, in my opinion, to be filled, though differently.

About procreation: children have been the outcome of a previous bonding experience for millennia. The joy of being so intimately connected with someone else usually comes with such a consequence. I don't seek procreation, I seek fulfillment.

then i thought i've never probably met a female wanderer to give me insight and inspiration. is here an y female wanderers 20-40 years old? what's your take on males and your spiritual development?

Consider for an instant that you're a mighty river which has been dammed (not damned, lol ). You appear to seek a way to outpour your force, to release the blockages, to flow unimpeded once again.

I've usually seen males undamming their own rivers with their counterparts, but that's not a pre-requisite for one to do.

This intrinsic unsettling is no exclusivity to any specific gender in this world. Discomfort is felt by everyone, in my opinion.