i heard that the timeline split being based on STO/STS was "loving misinformation"

[schubert]

in the 3 videos i'll link below, Zingdad and him channeling Adamu say that the information that the timeline split is based on service to others/service to self was actually "intentional loving misinformation." he explains that the split is actually based on being "other responsible" or "self responsible" and also mentioned a third timeline for those that are self responsible with unity consciousness. he says this information was withheld until recently so that it wasnt abused by negative entities. i made this post in this subforum since the sto/sts split is a core idea in the Law of One but if its more appropriate elsewhere i dont mind action to move it.

you can watch the videos to hear him explain everything but to briefly sum it up best i can, other responsible beings see themselves as victims, where things happen TO them, outside of their control, rather than being a co-creator of their experience, and they have a tendency to expect others to fix things for them. self responsible beings see themselves as responsible for what comes into their life, and are willing to work (by themselves or with others) to do their part in creating the life they desire, rather than sitting back and wanting someone else to do it for them.

what do you all think about this?

first video on this subject, he starts talking specifically about the timeline split at around 9:55

[Asolsutsesvyl]

Isn't this like the split into the three futures of 4D STO, 4D STS, and the sinkhole of indifference? It's a large part of the big picture provided by both Ra and e.g. the Cassiopaeans that the largest portion of people aren't going for 4D STO or 4D STS, but instead, through indifference and being swallowed up by the spiritually empty drama of the world, end up going nowhere except looping the lessons of 3D.

A different way of framing the three orientations may be this: "other responsible" is "weak STS", lacking the driving force to go anywhere; "self responsible" has the driving force, and may polarize either positively or negatively. (However, I think there may also be a small portion of "other responsible" who have a more manipulative and exploitative nature, to the extent of succeeding in entering the lowest rungs of the 4D STS hierarchy by becoming tools of strongly driven beings.)

[Ray711]

I'm not sure if it's exactly the same thing, but this reminds me of another information presented by Adamu where it was said that there's a higher choice over STS and STO; that being "oneness". I believe he also said that STS and STO are battling out a meaningless conflict, and that you can choose either of those paths, but that this so-called path of "oneness" is the superior one.

It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't resonate with me, and I don't see the logic behind it. "Unity" is included in both STO and STS. Each of those paths is a different interpretation of unity. STO sees the Creator both in self and other-self, and tries to accept the whole. STS sees the Creator in the self, and tries to control other-selves for its benefit. Both are based on the concept of oneness. By accepting other-selves, the STO entity accepts the self and the Creation. By controlling and suppressing other-selves, the STS entity controls and suppresses parts of its self, and of the Creation.

I don't know. The few times I've read material by this Adamu entity it has always made me raise an eyebrow.

[Asolsutsesvyl]

I'll note that I have yet to actually look further into what Adamu presents; I just go by the descriptions I find, in an attempt to find out whether it's worthwhile.

I'm not sure if it's exactly the same thing, but this reminds me of another information presented by Adamu where it was said that there's a higher choice over STS and STO; that being "oneness". I believe he also said that STS and STO are battling out a meaningless conflict, and that you can choose either of those paths, but that this so-called path of "oneness" is the superior one.

It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't resonate with me, and I don't see the logic behind it. "Unity" is included in both STO and STS. Each of those paths is a different interpretation of unity. STO sees the Creator both in self and other-self, and tries to accept the whole. STS sees the Creator in the self, and tries to control other-selves for its benefit. Both are based on the concept of oneness. By accepting other-selves, the STO entity accepts the self and the Creation. By controlling and suppressing other-selves, the STS entity controls and suppresses parts of its self, and of the Creation.

I don't know. The few times I've read material by this Adamu entity it has always made me raise an eyebrow.

Putting this description in relation to what Ra presented, what Adamu calls STS and STO is limited to the 4D level only, and ignores the description of the two paths above 4D. (Ra mentions that "battles" as such take place in 3D and 4D, but not above 4D, where differences in the modes of existence makes battle meaningless and obsolete.)

I've read, elsewhere, a number of examinations of less-good channeled sources, and a very common pattern is that of trying to present the ideas of STS and STO as too limited or obsolete, introducing some "superior" option. On examination, it always seems as if the ideas of STS and STO presented are "smaller", simplified versions of the originals, ignoring the subtleties and reducing the ideas to a too conventional and human level. In relation to that, it then becomes easy to advocate something "greater".

Actually, though somewhat vaguely, Ra seems to warn about overly simplified and imbalanced ideas, as well as against the "pantheistic" view which flattens the cosmology too much, placing unity closer to the human level than it is. The fuller description of the cosmos gives it a very high "ceiling", so far removed from human thought at this level that there's no end to open-ended contemplation of what is between unity and this level. (That's one of the things I like the most about the Ra material.)

But there's also a finer point to be made about a different misrepresentation of STS vs. STO, which in time is placed in-between Ra and Adamu. The Cassiopaean teaching, while describing the differences between STS and STO and making the two orientations asymmetrical in how they work (rather than mere differences of agenda), removes some of the simplest underlying structure Ra gives to the ideas. In turn, this has led to elaborations on that teaching, by its main human authors and others, which gradually turn STO into a copy of STS where the "right" agenda is supported instead of the "wrong" one. In relation to that kind of teaching, something like what Adamu presents, with a greater call to unity, may seem like a step in the right direction.

But returning to the older and more complexly structured core teaching of Ra, I've found that it covers all the traditionally transcendent aspects of spirituality, including the value of meditation and striving to understand and live in a spirit of unity to the extent it is possible in 3D. There's no need to introduce "unity" as a striving separate from the two paths. The STO path offers the straightest way there, and at the core is not about fighting. (Also, the asymmetrical "shape" of the dynamics of the two orientations, in relation to one another, seem, from Ra's description, to be key to the rich structure of the cosmos. They are not "oppo-same" in shape below the level where they meet.)

[Ray711]

On examination, it always seems as if the ideas of STS and STO presented are "smaller", simplified versions of the originals, ignoring the subtleties and reducing the ideas to a too conventional and human level. In relation to that, it then becomes easy to advocate something "greater".

You're right. Any perspective that introduces another option besides STS, STO or the sinkhole of indifference is being deliberately or unintentionally ignoring what these paths entail. I believe that any behavior where the self is put in relation to an other-self falls in one place or another in the continuum between STS (control) or STO (acceptance); absolutely any and all kinds of behavior (or thought). Even something as simple as just spending time with a friend and having fun can be put in that continuum. Obviously, if one is enjoying their time with somebody, an acceptance of the situation is implied. It's not that this is going to make anyone harvestable, but the place in the STO-STS continuum is clear.

The middle point can be either indifference or resignation (perhaps both, interchangeably, depending on the situation).

The only other option is the sinkhole of indifference, which is, rather, a non-option. But the individual and isolated actions of these people are still clearly leaning one side or the other. One time they accept a person, a situation or a feeling. Next time, they get angry, they judge themselves or others, or they try to control a situation against somebody else's free will. They love when it's easy to love, and they attempt to exercise control when they can and if it suits them.

I think to a lesser degree this applies even in the 4th density battles that you referred to. These early 4d entities love the individuals of their SMC and other STO SMCs, they love 3d entities, but they haven't yet found it within themselves to love the darkness. As such, their STO polarity still has a way to go before it becomes pure.

But returning to the older and more complexly structured core teaching of Ra, I've found that it covers all the traditionally transcendent aspects of spirituality, including the value of meditation and striving to understand and live in a spirit of unity to the extent it is possible in 3D. There's no need to introduce "unity" as a striving separate from the two paths. The STO path offers the straightest way there, and at the core is not about fighting.

I agree completely.

[Kaaron]

The STS/STO path has been simplified for duality.
There are more grey areas than black n white.
Being responsible for the self, whilst offering assistance to those who have stepped off the karmic wheel by forgiving, is the positive STS path. To try to help one who has not made this choice...is pointless. Beyond offering assistance for their chosen slumber.
You can be completely focused on the self.
You can be completely focused on others.
You may be focused on the self, whilst holding space for others who reach out needing a light shone on their path.
You may be focused on others whilst holding your torch out for the self.
You may be focused on the self...whilst being equally mindful as to how every choice impacts others.
These are the 3 paths of positive STS and STO...as well as BALANCE.
the sinkhole of indifference...is part of the negative paths...which are the opposite of what I've described here.
The self responsibility and other responsibility model feels true.
The 3rd option...being a combination of both...or unity.

[Ray711]

The STS/STO path has been simplified for duality.
There are more grey areas than black n white.
Being responsible for the self, whilst offering assistance to those who have stepped off the karmic wheel by forgiving, is the positive STS path. To try to help one who has not made this choice...is pointless. Beyond offering assistance for their chosen slumber.
You can be completely focused on the self.
You can be completely focused on others.
You may be focused on the self, whilst holding space for others who reach out needing a light shone on their path.
You may be focused on others whilst holding your torch out for the self.
You may be focused on the self...whilst being equally mindful as to how every choice impacts others.
These are the 3 paths of positive STS and STO...as well as BALANCE.
the sinkhole of indifference...is part of the negative paths...which are the opposite of what I've described here.
The self responsibility and other responsibility model feels true.
The 3rd option...being a combination of both...or unity.

I understand the confusion, because the way the two paths are named easily leads to it, but choosing to focus on the self is not inherently STS work. It can be work of either polarity (or none).

The key for distinguishing the two paths is, for STO, a focus on unconditional love, acceptance and compassion. For STS, repression, control, dominance and power. You will find that it becomes quite irrelevant to distinguish whether this is done upon the self or upon other-selves. We are all one. What we do upon others, we do upon ourselves. What we do upon ourselves, we do upon others.

If someone is truly committed to the path of control and repression, they will judge and try to suppress in other-selves those aspects that the self considers to be unworthy within his own self. And vice versa. Likewise, if someone is fully committed to the path of unconditional love and acceptance, anything and everything will be loved, be it something within self or other-self.

What you're calling "positive STS", someone who loves themselves and who helps other-selves when possible, is actually STO.

Both STO work and STS work can begin with the self or with other-selves. There are probably an infinite ways in which to embody and do work on either polarity. The criteria is simply whether the chosen path revolves around acceptance or around control.

[kristina]

The STS/STO path has been simplified for duality.
There are more grey areas than black n white.
Being responsible for the self, whilst offering assistance to those who have stepped off the karmic wheel by forgiving, is the positive STS path. To try to help one who has not made this choice...is pointless. Beyond offering assistance for their chosen slumber.
You can be completely focused on the self.
You can be completely focused on others.
You may be focused on the self, whilst holding space for others who reach out needing a light shone on their path.
You may be focused on others whilst holding your torch out for the self.
You may be focused on the self...whilst being equally mindful as to how every choice impacts others.
These are the 3 paths of positive STS and STO...as well as BALANCE.
the sinkhole of indifference...is part of the negative paths...which are the opposite of what I've described here.
The self responsibility and other responsibility model feels true.
The 3rd option...being a combination of both...or unity.

There is a lot I totally agree with here and there are things that would be in conflict to the teachings of the Law of One. I see a lot of ideas that seem to me positive polarity and very little negative polarity. I'd like to point out what I am talking about.
So we don't completely derail this thread, we could always talk in private message or a new thread.

Being responsible for the self, whilst offering assistance to those who have stepped off the karmic wheel by forgiving, is the positive STS path

34.5 ▶ Questioner: If an entity develops what is called a karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalyst that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.

This next quote talks about General George Patton and how he was slightly polarized to the negative only because of his lack of understanding the green ray which he carried within himself.

34.17 ▶ Questioner: Is it possible for you to use as an example our General Patton and tell me the effect that war had on him in his development?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question of this working. The one of whom you speak, known as George, was one in whom the programming of previous incarnations had created a pattern or inertia which was irresistible in its incarnation in your time/space. This entity was of a strong yellow-ray activation with frequent green-ray openings and occasional blue-ray openings. However, it did not find itself able to break the mold of previous traumatic experiences of a bellicose nature.

This entity polarized somewhat towards the positive in its incarnation due to its singleness of belief in truth and beauty. This entity was quite sensitive. It felt a great honor/duty to the preservation of that which was felt by the entity to be true, beautiful, and in need of defense. This entity perceived itself as a gallant figure. It polarized somewhat towards the negative in its lack of understanding the green ray it carried with it, rejecting the forgiveness principle which is implicit in universal love.

The green ray is a part of the service to others journey and spiritual evolution. As you can see, General Patton was polarizing because of his lack of understanding in the green ray activity.
In my first quote, the quote gives you an idea what stops the wheel of karma, forgiveness. This is green ray activity, forgiveness. Rejecting forgiveness is rejecting the principle of universale love and understanding which is green ray or fourth density activity. To the positive, not the negative.

Here is a quote that speaks what 4th density negative looks like without universal love and understanding (green ray positive).

66.31 ▶ Questioner: I was concerned about the amount of physical distortions, disease, and that sort of thing in third-density negative just before harvest and in fourth-density negative just after harvest or in transition. What are the conditions of the physical problems, disease, etc., at late third-density negative?

Ra: I am Ra. Each planetary experience is unique. The problems, shall we say, of bellicose actions are more likely to be of pressing concern to late third-density negative entities than the earth’s reactions to negativity of the planetary mind, for it is often by such warlike attitudes on a global scale that the necessary negative polarization is achieved.

As fourth density occurs there is a new planet and new physical vehicle system gradually expressing itself and the parameters of bellicose actions become those of thought rather than manifested weapons.

Ra: I am Ra. Physical complex distortions of which you speak are likely to be less found as fourth-density negative begins to be a probable choice of harvest due to the extreme interest in the self which characterizes the harvestable third-density negative entity. Much more care is taken of the physical body as well as much more discipline being offered to the self mentally. This is an orientation of great self-interest and self-discipline. There are still instances of the types of disease which are associated with the mind complex distortions of negative emotions such as anger. However, in an harvestable entity these emotional distortions are much more likely to be used as catalyst in an expressive and destructive sense as regards the object of anger.

So this entity that is trying to make harvest or not really uses catalyst in an expressive and destructive manner. Those of us trying to polarize postively utilize catalyst in order to learn to forgive others, forgive ourselves and accept that which is happening or not happening. We learn to find love in the moment.
It's true that there are a litany of experiences on the earth that one can create in order to further it's process of evolution, I mean there is literally the sky is the limit there are those who will use the experience in order to learn the ways of love and understanding and there are those who use experience in order to manipulate another human being.
Then we have the sinkhole... this is the person who is not invested in either path none whatsoever.
Ok... Unity. Unity is positive. Only positive. Even the negatively polarized individiual will learn this lesson in mid sixth density. The 6th density is the density of unity. Love is found in unity.

36.12 ▶ Questioner: Let me take as an example the one you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his higher self was of sixth density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his higher self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Could you expand on this concept?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no [negative] beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality of late sixth density, as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.

[schubert]

im not a big fan of the sto/sts way of viewing things. would it not be MUCH simpler and clearer to simply judge a being's level of development based on their level of empathy? something like an empathy quotient. empathy is the key underlying quality, empathy being defined as awareness and consideration towards others. (you could also say awareness is the key quality, they go hand in hand, more empathy means you have more awareness, more awareness means you gain more empathy. awareness is perhaps a more fundamental term but i'll use empathy for now since it conveys the idea of being more considerate and loving to others which is the whole point of having more awareness.)

the more empathy, the more accepting, forgiving, loving, etc. a being is (traits associated with sto). the less empathy, the more controlling and less loving (which makes one selfish) a being is (traits associated with sts). the more empathy, the more self responsible a being is as they realize it would make no sense to want another being to do their work for them as they are that other being. the less empathy, the more other responsible they would be as theyre still entertaining the illusion of separation. this is what i mean by it's the key quality.

if it's all about empathy, then why not just measure empathy? is that not the whole goal of this game? to develop one's level of awareness/empathy and reach unity consciousness? seems like a good way to view things to me cuts right to the chase. yes, i like it quite a lot!

[Hilarion]

I found that the truth became much more clear to me when I stopped looking to prophecy videos about timelimes and just started meditating a lot more and listening to the inner truth. I found listening to too much outer noise ended up confusing me as everybody has their own reality bubble and their own personal future. I am much more observant now about whose 'truth' I let percolate round my mind.

[kristina]

im not a big fan of the sto/sts way of viewing things. would it not be MUCH simpler and clearer to simply judge a being's level of development based on their level of empathy? something like an empathy quotient. empathy is the key underlying quality, empathy being defined as awareness and consideration towards others. (you could also say awareness is the key quality, they go hand in hand, more empathy means you have more awareness, more awareness means you gain more empathy. awareness is perhaps a more fundamental term but i'll use empathy for now since it conveys the idea of being more considerate and loving to others which is the whole point of having more awareness.)

the more empathy, the more accepting, forgiving, loving, etc. a being is (traits associated with sto). the less empathy, the more controlling and less loving (which makes one selfish) a being is (traits associated with sts). the more empathy, the more self responsible a being is as they realize it would make no sense to want another being to do their work for them as they are that other being. the less empathy, the more other responsible they would be as theyre still entertaining the illusion of separation. this is what i mean by it's the key quality.

if it's all about empathy, then why not just measure empathy? is that not the whole goal of this game? to develop one's level of awareness/empathy and reach unity consciousness? seems like a good way to view things to me cuts right to the chase. yes, i like it quite a lot!

A friend and I were talking about pigeon holing something and I find it is very common for human beings to want to do this in order to understand something and I also think it is the way of this density and part of the illusion. "Duality" as my friend called it in our conversation. There is a sliding scale of empathetic ways in a human beings mental/emotional framework that is good because that leans toward forgiveness and acceptance which is very STO to even suggest we could have a sliding scale. Though I must admit it is most difficult in such cases where we have someone who preys upon the young and weak. A very positive individual will find a way to find an area in which they can freely forgive such an act as in Jesus forgiving murderers. I agree that things are seen in black and white, a label slapped on it and a way we go! But the fact is, this is a dualistic illusion and so there will be a line drawn in the sand at times and I am assuming only an STO individual would give another leniency as to say it is a grey area. I do not feel that a STS would ever leave the safety of the black and white to show leniency. Positive polarity individuals are always trying to find the good in the bad and the negative polarity is always trying to find the reason why the good IS bad for everyone as it seems to be a loss of control. This is part of the spiritual "evolution" of the positively polarizing individual, is that it finds good in every experience that comes before it and utilizes the experience to heal itself, to forgive others and itself therefore learning the ways of love and understanding. It is really ok if we know that there is two ways; one of positive polarity and one of negative polarity...... and then the sinkhole of indifference (the true grey area and is not a way at all as it's a wash). I mean when we are speaking about electricity no one shrugs at the fact that you must have a negative wire and a positive wire to produce the current? No one goes off on benders about electricity lol. Try having two negative wires and make a current. Good luck Chuck. It doesn't work that way. It will never work that way in 3rd density. Just like the positively polarizing literally needs the negative polarizing to refine the choice of polarity which is exactly what was created when the veil was lowered between the subconscious mind and the conscious mind. It creates a dynamic tension between the two which creates the flow or current of movement.

[BridgesToLight]

Unity path. Now that is rolling around.

While reading through this thread, I kept being pulled back and forth, then finally it hit me.

STO/STS, it matters not as it is not my place to rate, rank nor judge anyone else's development, nor does it do me any good to label myself and begin a new self-fulfilling path.

This is what I know about me, I cannot stand to hurt or harm other humans, for the most part. I have lost my mind, and my way, and allowed the current circumstances to overcome my inner self and lash out or hurt others. While considering myself a "good person," I was actually a scared, wounded, selfish, naive, little sh&t and being that set me up to rain a whole bunch of distortions all over the place.

Thank you for the Ra reminder of the Yeshua message, quit judging, quit hating, quit fearing, quit crying and forgive. Ah. Peace.

In order to divorce my husband without recreating the explosion of catalyst that the ending of my other relationships, I had to forgive him, and then be grateful, and love him not as my husband, nor as a man, but as the individual, beautiful, flawed, expression of our Creator that agreed to come here and sacrifice 17 years so that I could find my way to awakening.

How bizarre, and who would have thought, Ra, Yeshua, Buddha, to name but a few, were right, no one ever wins a fight, love is truly the only thing that is real and when we focus on the love, the universe bends and flows for us.

[schubert]

I found that the truth became much more clear to me when I stopped looking to prophecy videos about timelimes and just started meditating a lot more and listening to the inner truth. I found listening to too much outer noise ended up confusing me as everybody has their own reality bubble and their own personal future. I am much more observant now about whose 'truth' I let percolate round my mind.

this is kind of where ive come to, not worrying so much about sto/sts or self responsible/other responsible and just looking at things in terms of awareness/empathy which i feel is more fundamental and outside of a dualistic belief structure (this path/that path). at least this is what resonates with me at this point in time.

[Anders]

what do you all think about this?

I think it's great information! Adamu spoke about a third timeline called the unity timeline. Sounds like it transcends the idea of the Choice and is about unity consciousness. And it may even be what Ra was referring to but couldn't speak directly about at the time of the channeling.