(12-09-2019, 11:18 AM)Ray711 Wrote: I'm not sure if it's exactly the same thing, but this reminds me of another information presented by Adamu where it was said that there's a higher choice over STS and STO; that being "oneness". I believe he also said that STS and STO are battling out a meaningless conflict, and that you can choose either of those paths, but that this so-called path of "oneness" is the superior one.

It doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't resonate with me, and I don't see the logic behind it. "Unity" is included in both STO and STS. Each of those paths is a different interpretation of unity. STO sees the Creator both in self and other-self, and tries to accept the whole. STS sees the Creator in the self, and tries to control other-selves for its benefit. Both are based on the concept of oneness. By accepting other-selves, the STO entity accepts the self and the Creation. By controlling and suppressing other-selves, the STS entity controls and suppresses parts of its self, and of the Creation.

I don't know. The few times I've read material by this Adamu entity it has always made me raise an eyebrow.

(12-09-2019, 12:42 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: On examination, it always seems as if the ideas of STS and STO presented are "smaller", simplified versions of the originals, ignoring the subtleties and reducing the ideas to a too conventional and human level. In relation to that, it then becomes easy to advocate something "greater".

(12-09-2019, 12:42 PM)Asolsutsesvyl Wrote: But returning to the older and more complexly structured core teaching of Ra, I've found that it covers all the traditionally transcendent aspects of spirituality, including the value of meditation and striving to understand and live in a spirit of unity to the extent it is possible in 3D. There's no need to introduce "unity" as a striving separate from the two paths. The STO path offers the straightest way there, and at the core is not about fighting.

(12-09-2019, 03:11 PM)Kaaron Wrote: The STS/STO path has been simplified for duality.
There are more grey areas than black n white.
Being responsible for the self, whilst offering assistance to those who have stepped off the karmic wheel by forgiving, is the positive STS path. To try to help one who has not made this choice...is pointless. Beyond offering assistance for their chosen slumber.
You can be completely focused on the self.
You can be completely focused on others.
You may be focused on the self, whilst holding space for others who reach out needing a light shone on their path.
You may be focused on others whilst holding your torch out for the self.
You may be focused on the self...whilst being equally mindful as to how every choice impacts others.
These are the 3 paths of positive STS and STO...as well as BALANCE.
the sinkhole of indifference...is part of the negative paths...which are the opposite of what I've described here.
The self responsibility and other responsibility model feels true.
The 3rd option...being a combination of both...or unity.

(12-09-2019, 03:11 PM)Kaaron Wrote: The STS/STO path has been simplified for duality.
There are more grey areas than black n white.
Being responsible for the self, whilst offering assistance to those who have stepped off the karmic wheel by forgiving, is the positive STS path. To try to help one who has not made this choice...is pointless. Beyond offering assistance for their chosen slumber.
You can be completely focused on the self.
You can be completely focused on others.
You may be focused on the self, whilst holding space for others who reach out needing a light shone on their path.
You may be focused on others whilst holding your torch out for the self.
You may be focused on the self...whilst being equally mindful as to how every choice impacts others.
These are the 3 paths of positive STS and STO...as well as BALANCE.
the sinkhole of indifference...is part of the negative paths...which are the opposite of what I've described here.
The self responsibility and other responsibility model feels true.
The 3rd option...being a combination of both...or unity.

Quote:Being responsible for the self, whilst offering assistance to those who have stepped off the karmic wheel by forgiving, is the positive STS path

Quote:34.5 ▶ Questioner: If an entity develops what is called a karma in an incarnation, is there then programming that sometimes occurs so that he will experience catalyst that will enable him to get to a point of forgiveness thereby alleviating the karma?

Ra: I am Ra. This is, in general, correct. However, both self and any involved other-self may, at any time through the process of understanding, acceptance, and forgiveness, ameliorate these patterns. This is true at any point in an incarnative pattern. Thus one who has set in motion an action may forgive itself and never again make that error. This also brakes or stops what you call karma.

Quote:34.17 ▶ Questioner: Is it possible for you to use as an example our General Patton and tell me the effect that war had on him in his development?

Ra: I am Ra. This will be the last full question of this working. The one of whom you speak, known as George, was one in whom the programming of previous incarnations had created a pattern or inertia which was irresistible in its incarnation in your time/space. This entity was of a strong yellow-ray activation with frequent green-ray openings and occasional blue-ray openings. However, it did not find itself able to break the mold of previous traumatic experiences of a bellicose nature.

This entity polarized somewhat towards the positive in its incarnation due to its singleness of belief in truth and beauty. This entity was quite sensitive. It felt a great honor/duty to the preservation of that which was felt by the entity to be true, beautiful, and in need of defense. This entity perceived itself as a gallant figure. It polarized somewhat towards the negative in its lack of understanding the green ray it carried with it, rejecting the forgiveness principle which is implicit in universal love.

Quote:66.31 ▶ Questioner: I was concerned about the amount of physical distortions, disease, and that sort of thing in third-density negative just before harvest and in fourth-density negative just after harvest or in transition. What are the conditions of the physical problems, disease, etc., at late third-density negative?

Ra: I am Ra. Each planetary experience is unique. The problems, shall we say, of bellicose actions are more likely to be of pressing concern to late third-density negative entities than the earth’s reactions to negativity of the planetary mind, for it is often by such warlike attitudes on a global scale that the necessary negative polarization is achieved.

As fourth density occurs there is a new planet and new physical vehicle system gradually expressing itself and the parameters of bellicose actions become those of thought rather than manifested weapons.

Quote:Ra: I am Ra. Physical complex distortions of which you speak are likely to be less found as fourth-density negative begins to be a probable choice of harvest due to the extreme interest in the self which characterizes the harvestable third-density negative entity. Much more care is taken of the physical body as well as much more discipline being offered to the self mentally. This is an orientation of great self-interest and self-discipline. There are still instances of the types of disease which are associated with the mind complex distortions of negative emotions such as anger. However, in an harvestable entity these emotional distortions are much more likely to be used as catalyst in an expressive and destructive sense as regards the object of anger.

Quote:36.12 ▶ Questioner: Let me take as an example the one you said was called Himmler. We are assuming from this that his higher self was of sixth density and it was stated that Himmler had selected the negative path. Would his higher self then dwell in a sixth-density negative type of situation? Could you expand on this concept?

Ra: I am Ra. There are no [negative] beings which have attained the Oversoul manifestation, which is the honor/duty of the mind/body/spirit complex totality of late sixth density, as you would term it in your time measurements. These negatively oriented mind/body/spirit complexes have a difficulty which to our knowledge has never been overcome, for after fifth-density graduation wisdom is available but must be matched with an equal amount of love. This love/light is very, very difficult to achieve in unity when following the negative path and during the earlier part of the sixth density, society complexes of the negative orientation will choose to release the potential and leap into the sixth-density positive.

(12-10-2019, 02:09 AM)schubert Wrote: im not a big fan of the sto/sts way of viewing things. would it not be MUCH simpler and clearer to simply judge a being's level of development based on their level of empathy? something like an empathy quotient. empathy is the key underlying quality, empathy being defined as awareness and consideration towards others. (you could also say awareness is the key quality, they go hand in hand, more empathy means you have more awareness, more awareness means you gain more empathy. awareness is perhaps a more fundamental term but i'll use empathy for now since it conveys the idea of being more considerate and loving to others which is the whole point of having more awareness.)

the more empathy, the more accepting, forgiving, loving, etc. a being is (traits associated with sto). the less empathy, the more controlling and less loving (which makes one selfish) a being is (traits associated with sts). the more empathy, the more self responsible a being is as they realize it would make no sense to want another being to do their work for them as they are that other being. the less empathy, the more other responsible they would be as theyre still entertaining the illusion of separation. this is what i mean by it's the key quality.

if it's all about empathy, then why not just measure empathy? is that not the whole goal of this game? to develop one's level of awareness/empathy and reach unity consciousness? seems like a good way to view things to me cuts right to the chase. yes, i like it quite a lot!

(12-10-2019, 07:06 AM)Hilarion Wrote: I found that the truth became much more clear to me when I stopped looking to prophecy videos about timelimes and just started meditating a lot more and listening to the inner truth. I found listening to too much outer noise ended up confusing me as everybody has their own reality bubble and their own personal future. I am much more observant now about whose 'truth' I let percolate round my mind.

(12-09-2019, 02:17 AM)schubert Wrote: what do you all think about this?