A story I didn't want to share.

[Cyanatta]

You write in a very similar manner as CA, must be a good match as friends or otherwise.

Hmm.

I'm pretty sure he only had the three accounts as far as I know, I don't think he had any others. 

Hmmmm.

I told him I'm only here to dig up the cause of his dark game, after that I'd like to help him finish his books and hopefully get published.

Hmmmmmm...




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[Glow]

You write in a very similar manner as CA, must be a good match as friends or otherwise.

Hmm.

I'm pretty sure he only had the three accounts as far as I know, I don't think he had any others. 

Hmmmm.

I told him I'm only here to dig up the cause of his dark game, after that I'd like to help him finish his books and hopefully get published.

Hmmmmmm...




:idea: :exclamation:
 

Yeah I got there too.

[ada]

You write in a very similar manner as CA, must be a good match as friends or otherwise.

Hmm.

I'm pretty sure he only had the three accounts as far as I know, I don't think he had any others. 

Hmmmm.

I told him I'm only here to dig up the cause of his dark game, after that I'd like to help him finish his books and hopefully get published.

Hmmmmmm...




:idea: :exclamation:
 

Yeah I got there too.

Hmm?

[Cyanatta]

Hmm?

Big ol' catfish

[ada]

Hmm?

Big ol' catfish

Or not..

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Cyanatta]

Hmm?

Big ol' catfish

Or not..

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Catfish:
noun
2 : a person who sets up a false personal profile on a social networking site for fraudulent or deceptive purposes

[ada]

Hmm?

Big ol' catfish

Or not..

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Catfish:
noun
2 : a person who sets up a false personal profile on a social networking site for fraudulent or deceptive purposes

I realize, I meant that we can't know for sure, so we shouldn't call people out like that.

[Cyanatta]

I realize, I meant that we can't know for sure, so we shouldn't call people out like that.

Just an observation, but I also happen to have a handy-dandy BS meter myself, and I believe it was reading at 95%.



 

[Glow]

You didn’t. Since that resonates best for your experience that’s great.

Pointing out the one of love aspect had led several of us to the same conclusion isn’t a mean thing.
It isn’t mocking to point out a shared experience.

Especially when it brought to the board with it not love or good energy but the catalyst of judgement. Pointing it out could actually be healing of the judgement it placed on people here.

We each gave the O.O.L aspect the benifit of suspending disbelief while they were active.
We were all polite, addressed the conserns as they were brought forward.

Now since it’s long over and they departed I do not see how admitting we sensed the same is bad.
I’m sure we all still sincerely hope for the best for CA. At least we now know he is alive.

I’m so over being judged by anyone. If anything this ool experience made it perfectly clear how I will not be taking in others judgements. People cannot judge the content of your heart or intention from outside. No one can. So we can judge ourselves if we want but I’m done. We do our best.

[Relax]

from private pms with OOL I can back up what Cyanatta and Glow are saying

the 'person' exhausted me, frustrated me and some of the things said privately really repulsed/disturbed me (including that some were X rated) (ikkky! :@ )
it was deception and energy theft/vampirism  - and in the case of my personal experience - no matter how much I gave/or said/or listened/ or tried to help  - it was never enough - ignored, then accepted - then ignored again - all round - abusive
very abusive
and tiring

it's also sad - because love and support was so clearly offered to all of the 'identities' - and still is
but apparently this is a 'cult' (lol!)
I mean how on earth can that be the case when there's so MUCH disagreement here??  

it's a major disrespect
but most of all - it wasn't necessary imo
got concerns?
express them directly
not the right place for you?
leave
wanna come back?
come back

simples

[xise]

it's also sad - because love and support was so clearly offered to all of the 'identities' - and still is
but apparently this is a 'cult' (lol!)
I mean how on earth can that be the case when there's so MUCH disagreement here??  

I definitely thought about how there is so much disagreement here that it's frankly bizarre - to me - to see this forum as evidence of a cult.

On the other hand, as was mentioned in the other thread, personal emotional responsibility is a really difficult and hard concept for most people to practice, so perhaps that's the situation.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

So wait, y'all are saying it was CA all along?

That's a rather... disturbing thought.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

CA, if you're reading this and you were a troll, please know that we all love you anyway.

[Drew]

I had a few beers in me and was ready to hop on pop for this one. I am grateful to be newly a small part of such a hawk eye community plz watch me too in case I lose my s*** on those in early evolution.

[flofrog]

There was so easily anger from first posts from someone being a newcomer that it was strange. Everyone was so kind anyway. Love to you CA be well

[Agua]

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[EvolvingPhoenix]

I am not completely sure about it, but i also strongly suspect it was CA!

But even if it wasnt fake, then it clearly displayed all the qualities that the forum members have been blamed for!
I strongly believe everybody here is doing his/her best to help to the best of one's ability!
There is nothing more that can be done!

I dont think anybody here should have guilty conscience about maybe not having done done enough or not good enough!

In my opinion, CA's basic problem was the complete unwillingness to take responsibility for his life, and the same goes for One of Love!
All help is completely useless, if somebody doesnt take responsibility and makes the decisions necessary.

Its everybody's free will to not take advice, to not take responsibility, to go on with self-destruction, and there is nothing that can be done unless the person in question decides for a better path!

Learned that the hard way.

CA, rock bottom is wherever you decide it is. Once you hit it, you will desperately work to change yourself for the better because you're tired of living in such a way. Trust me, taking responsibility, while painful and fraught with uncertainty, is worth it. I say that, even as I sit here suffering the pain of my friendship breakup wounds being newly reopened. Like, as toxic as this friend was, I have to take responsibility for what I put out... and had reflected back at me.

It's all okay though because I'm willing and able to take responsibility and love myself. I even had to admit that if I were willing to love myself and accept the GOOD I want from this person, I'd probably be getting it, but some piece of me remains attached to SEPARATION and judgement, so my judgement gets reflected back and I stay miserable. But my willingness to take responsibility for this is the first step to healing it, and believe me, I want it healed!

What about you? Are you happy as you are living right now? If not, then what about your attitude can you change to make things better? Don't judge yourself for it. LOVE YOURSELF. FORGIVE YOURSELF. And get excited about the new life you're creating for yourself.

Huh, you know what? I just got the pick-me-up I needed after facing my friendship breakup again. How about that?

[EvolvingPhoenix]

Remember, WE ARE ALL ONE. Whatever another is responsible for, you are responsible for and vice versa.

So take responsibility if you want to see responsibility taken. This doesn't mean to stop holding others accountable for things. That wouldn't be taking responsibility.

[Relax]

IMO - THIS IS A REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT OBSERVATION

"This place should be a loving place"
Well, it would be cool, if it was a loving place, where everybody can receive deep healing.
But thats just not what it is.

It is a loose community of seekers, thats it.
You have to realize, many people here are very young, many people are at the beginning of their conscious spiritual journey and even more are just about to begin their healing journey.
Sure, there are also some people who are maybe already further on their spiritual and healing path, but thats a minority.

That means, that many people here are sometimes heavily struggling, have considerable emotional and mental issues and, quite logically, not the most refined spiritual understanding.

And the community is made up of all these individuals.

To expect them to be loving and compassionate is just unrealistic.
To expect a clear and deep rooted understanding of spiritual material is also unrealistic, how could you expect this from somebody just starting the journey?

Its more of a place where people share their problems, their difficulties and sometimes their success experiences and insights. And everybody hopes someone else might have the missing puzzle peace.

What you expect is a therapeutic setting, and that is something completely different!
I believe thats a crucial thing to understand!

In a therapeutic setting, the roles a very clear:
The therapist is completely in service for the client.
Even if the therapist is facing issues of his own, he/she is zrying to keep them out of the way and focus completely on the client.
In a therapy, the client is (hopefully) able to build trust and establish a reliable relationship that makes healing possible!

Another difference is, a good therapist has already healed his/her own trauma. because of that he/she has a real understanding of the clients situation, how it was created in the first place and how to heal it.
You simply cannot expect this from a random forum member!
Finding and healing one's trauma is a a very long process which usually takes at least one or two decades.
Its simply unrealistic to expect from someone just starting healing work to give really helpful advice!

It is in my opinion really important to understand this!
Because therapy is what many people would need!!!
As long as people believe getting advice in a forum is all that is needed, the will never take the step and start a therapy!
And the means to help and heal on an internet forum are definetely extremely limited!

Another important thing is experience.
You might notice that we can only type words here.
That is not the medium to really convey an experience.
So you have a maybe poorly worded advice and then somebody who may understand it completely wrong.
In a therapy, you can work with experience.
And you can work with touch, you can hold someone!

THAT is what is needed!

That doesnt mean we shouldnt try! Many people here, including myself, spend massive amounts of time to really try and help, support, comfort, to the best of their ability.
But one should be aware of the limitations and the fact that I CANNOT REPLACE THERAPY!

You might further notice, many people come here with severe problems. Quite a few obviously have critical mental conditions and/or emotional problems.
Sometimes its clearly visible, sometimes it takes some time until it shows, and there are quite a few where its healthy to assume, although not (yet) visible.

I guess it accounts to your lack of experience in this field, but its just not the way such "disorders" arise!
You dont just go to a forum, and even if some s*** would happen there, become autistic, schizophrenic, psychotic or whatever.

All those conditions have in common that they are an attempt to defend against unbearable emotions that are already IN the person in question.
Sometimes the conditions visibly manifest at a certain age, when a certain level of outer safety would permit those emotions to arise.
Sometimes a relationship breakup brings those emotions to the surface.
For many people its weed consumption, which has a huge potential to open door to the subconscious and awaken emotions people are not ready for.
Whatever the trigger is, its just the trigger, it is not the cause!

I am not saying this to defend anybody, i am saying this because you want to help.
And if you want to help. you should find out what the origin is.
I guess you know what i mean.

Mental conditions such as the ones mentioned, severe emotional problems have very deep roots.
The roots always and with almost no exceptions trace back to a very very early age and very often to the beginning of the incarnation.
You might not believe this.
I suggest you find out yourself.
If you do enough spiritual and healing work, i guarantee 100% you will come to the exact same conclusion!
There is not one single person on this planet who is spiritually evolved and doesnt share this view, not to my awareness!

But as i said, dont take my word for it, find out yourself!,

THE WISEST THING I HAVE READ ON B4 !!



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:idea:

[Relax]

 

other than of course the Ra material itself !!  

:idea:    

[Kaaron]

There is just as much dark as there is light in the Law of One.
Its alot like the bible. Its inspired by positive and negative entities.
I look at it as Carla being pure...Jim being of loving intent and don is the negative balance.
I feel like the 5th density negative entity is a fractal of Don's soul playing a role it can't fully understand due to the veil.
So there are parts that are definitely corrupted or tainted by Don's behavior and own agenda.
I try to look at it, not as an infallible testament of truth from the 6th dimensional being called Ra...but a well intentioned, subjective perusal of what's possible within the dimensions

[ada]

There is just as much dark as there is light in the Law of One.
Its alot like the bible. Its inspired by positive and negative entities.
I look at it as Carla being pure...Jim being of loving intent and don is the negative balance.
I feel like the 5th density negative entity is a fractal of Don's soul playing a role it can't fully understand due to the veil.
So there are parts that are definitely corrupted or tainted by Don's behavior and own agenda.
I try to look at it, not as an infallible testament of truth from the 6th dimensional being called Ra...but a well intentioned, subjective perusal of what's possible within the dimensions

smh.. you couldn't possibly know anything about said person. without them nothing of this were possible, it was said by Ra that all 3 have worked and work together on a planned pre-incarnate nature. and also Carla have said numerous times that she considers don as her guide. so please, show some respect.
a 5th density negative would not be working with such group in harmony to bring the Law of One to light. needless to said it wouldn't even incarnate on the earth plane..
it is quite simple to understand as to why don was influenced so much more than the rest of the group, I am just not going to touch that topic due to honoring that which is of no importance at this moment any longer.

[Kaaron]

There is just as much dark as there is light in the Law of One.
Its alot like the bible. Its inspired by positive and negative entities.
I look at it as Carla being pure...Jim being of loving intent and don is the negative balance.
I feel like the 5th density negative entity is a fractal of Don's soul playing a role it can't fully understand due to the veil.
So there are parts that are definitely corrupted or tainted by Don's behavior and own agenda.
I try to look at it, not as an infallible testament of truth from the 6th dimensional being called Ra...but a well intentioned, subjective perusal of what's possible within the dimensions

smh.. you couldn't possibly know anything about said person. without them nothing of this were possible, it was said by Ra that all 3 have worked and work together on a planned pre-incarnate nature. and also Carla have said numerous times that she considers don as her guide. so please, show some respect.
a 5th density negative would not be working with such group in harmony to bring the Law of One to light. needless to said it wouldn't even incarnate on the earth plane..
it is quite simple to understand as to why don was influenced so much more than the rest of the group, I am just not going to touch that topic due to honoring that which is of no importance at this moment any longer.

I'm allowed an opinion.
Don killed himself after he became delusional.
He was possessive, controlling n predominantly self serving.
All these things point to negative Orion influence.
Whenever there is light...the dark is given equal opportunity to offer the opposite.
I was inferring that don was being offered certain lines of questioning, due to his own agenda alot of the time eg. Gandolf dying.
Just because Carla calls don her guide...doesn't mean hes exempt from higher density negative influence.
I dont feel like sharing my views on this is disrespectful...I feel like don is the one I can relate to the most n always felt compassion n gratitude for his sacrifice, which ultimately led to his passing.

[Minyatur]

a 5th density negative would not be working with such group in harmony to bring the Law of One to light. needless to said it wouldn't even incarnate on the earth plane..

Not commenting on Don, but a late 5D entity, either positive or negative, will strive toward the Law of One (Unity) to harvest into 6D.

So, I disagree with your statement here. Both are quite possible in my eyes. There are little limits to what the One can be and do.

[MangusKhan]

I'm allowed an opinion.
Don killed himself after he became delusional.
He was possessive, controlling n predominantly self serving.
All these things point to negative Orion influence.
Whenever there is light...the dark is given equal opportunity to offer the opposite.
I was inferring that don was being offered certain lines of questioning, due to his own agenda alot of the time eg. Gandolf dying.
Just because Carla calls don her guide...doesn't mean hes exempt from higher density negative influence.
I dont feel like sharing my views on this is disrespectful...I feel like don is the one I can relate to the most n always felt compassion n gratitude for his sacrifice, which ultimately led to his passing.

I dunno man, this is the guy who allowed the love of his life to take "lovers" on the side because he himself wasn't comfortable with sexuality. If he was really controlling and possessive as you say, he would have forced Carla to engage in celibacy and judged her for having "impure thoughts". I think of him more as a kind of noble, buddhist type. Politely disconnected, with a great sense of ethics and righteousness.

[ada]

There is just as much dark as there is light in the Law of One.
Its alot like the bible. Its inspired by positive and negative entities.
I look at it as Carla being pure...Jim being of loving intent and don is the negative balance.
I feel like the 5th density negative entity is a fractal of Don's soul playing a role it can't fully understand due to the veil.
So there are parts that are definitely corrupted or tainted by Don's behavior and own agenda.
I try to look at it, not as an infallible testament of truth from the 6th dimensional being called Ra...but a well intentioned, subjective perusal of what's possible within the dimensions

smh.. you couldn't possibly know anything about said person. without them nothing of this were possible, it was said by Ra that all 3 have worked and work together on a planned pre-incarnate nature. and also Carla have said numerous times that she considers don as her guide. so please, show some respect.
a 5th density negative would not be working with such group in harmony to bring the Law of One to light. needless to said it wouldn't even incarnate on the earth plane..
it is quite simple to understand as to why don was influenced so much more than the rest of the group, I am just not going to touch that topic due to honoring that which is of no importance at this moment any longer.

I'm allowed an opinion.
Don killed himself after he became delusional.
He was possessive, controlling n predominantly self serving.
All these things point to negative Orion influence.
Whenever there is light...the dark is given equal opportunity to offer the opposite.
I was inferring that don was being offered certain lines of questioning, due to his own agenda alot of the time eg. Gandolf dying.
Just because Carla calls don her guide...doesn't mean hes exempt from higher density negative influence.
I dont feel like sharing my views on this is disrespectful...I feel like don is the one I can relate to the most n always felt compassion n gratitude for his sacrifice, which ultimately led to his passing.

https://www.bring4th.org/archive.php?uid...d=7&y=2018

[Kaaron]

I'm allowed an opinion.
Don killed himself after he became delusional.
He was possessive, controlling n predominantly self serving.
All these things point to negative Orion influence.
Whenever there is light...the dark is given equal opportunity to offer the opposite.
I was inferring that don was being offered certain lines of questioning, due to his own agenda alot of the time eg. Gandolf dying.
Just because Carla calls don her guide...doesn't mean hes exempt from higher density negative influence.
I dont feel like sharing my views on this is disrespectful...I feel like don is the one I can relate to the most n always felt compassion n gratitude for his sacrifice, which ultimately led to his passing.

I dunno man, this is the guy who allowed the love of his life to take "lovers" on the side because he himself wasn't comfortable with sexuality. If he was really controlling and possessive as you say, he would have forced Carla to engage in celibacy and judged her for having "impure thoughts". I think of him more as a kind of noble, buddhist type. Politely disconnected, with a great sense of ethics and righteousness.

Carla wasn't allowed to work and had to do what don told her. That sounds pretty controlling. I feel like the reason he was ok with Jim n Carla's relationship, was because he didnt really understand true love so he stepped aside.

[Kaaron]

I see the same combination of intent with David wilcock n corey goode.
David is ego based...wanting to be the one who brings disclosure n truth to the masses.
Corey is the one telling us it's about the message, not the messenger.
Because great truth is being brought forth through corey...the direction of the convo is navigated by the more self serving agenda of David

[Glow]

https://www.bring4th.org/archive.php?uid...d=7&y=2018

Blossom - I cannot thank you enough for sharing that. I have been having issues the last few weeks.
Feeling very much like what I am in this incarnation is not a fit, like somehow I have gotten very off track.

It is partly why I have not been participating here till it is sorted.
What you shared just fixed it completely, like lenses bringing things from blurry into fine focus.

Many thanks, much love and gratitude

[Sena]

Look up Himmler. He was highly STO. Because STS and STO are relative to the society that you live in. If you live in an ill or corrupt society, then being pure, true, and loving would cause you to be STS as you would be raining on the societal parade. You'll note that Don Elkins managed to get to 100% STO as he killed himself instead of channeling more information that would cause a negative outcome relative to the society in which he lived. This is because Ra is pure truth relative to your level of seeking.

This is why this material has people committing suicide. Because everyone wants to believe that it is perfect in every-way. Turns out, it becomes perfect only after you balance duality in it's entirety.

It is interesting to analyse the concept of Service to Others. The phrase itself does not imply love for all humanity. In Himmler's case Service to Others meant service to fellow Nazis.

Questioner: The fifteenth archetype is the Matrix of the Spirit and has been
called the Devil. Can you tell me why that is so?
Ra: I am Ra. We do not wish to be facile in such a central query, but we
may note that the nature of the spirit is so infinitely subtle that the
fructifying influence of light upon the great darkness of the spirit is very
often not as apparent as the darkness itself. The progress chosen by many
adepts becomes a confused path as each adept attempts to use the Catalyst
of the Spirit. Few there are which are successful in grasping the light of the
sun. By far, the majority of adepts remain groping in the moonlight and, as
we have said, this light can deceive as well as uncover hidden mystery.
Therefore, the melody, shall we say, of this matrix often seems to be of a
negative and evil, as you would call it, nature.
It is also to be noted that an adept is one which has freed itself more and
more from the constraints of the thoughts, opinions, and bonds of otherselves. Whether this is done for service to others or service to self, it is a
necessary part of the awakening of the adept. This freedom is seen by those
not free as what you would call evil or black. The magic is recognized; the
nature is often not.

(The Law of One, Book IV, Session 80)