How seriously do you take the Law of One? How has it effected you?

[rva_jeremy]

The spoken of techniques include the one's you gave as an example silly.  To focus on the love in the moment.  Carla's book Living the Law of One explained very fluently how chakra balancing can lead to attracting different catalyst, to eventually becoming a lighthouse by moving kundalini to indigo ray, to begin manifesting more rapidly our disciplined thoughts directed at love.

If that discipline is disregarded, Ra's mentioning of severe imbalance seems like a gentle way of saying some pretty serious stuff is going to happen to you.

Thanks for clarifying, because it was not obvious to me that that was where you identified the danger. I guess when you're talking about the dangers in the material, you're not talking about dangers that are unique to the material. I was arguing against the idea that there's something uniquely dangerous in the Law of One. If what you're saying is that the Law of One gives you tools to make a more vivid experience out of the illusion, and that there's missteps possible there, I'd certainly agree.

I just think missteps are kind of our lot in incarnation. How else do we learn? Is there any alternative to trial and error, really? How indefinitely can missteps be delayed or avoided?

In my opinion, a lot of the Confederation's message boils down to one suggestion: pay attention. It's not so much the errors we incur that cause confusion so much as our unwillingness to reflect on them. Hence the frequent suggestions of meditation, so we can let the lessons from our trials get through, instead of just seeing them as acts in a super long play.

Much of the danger inherent in these techniques arise from practicing them without the feedback mechanism of monitoring your feelings, without patience, without a knowledge of self that gives one a reference point. While these dangers are inherent in incarnation generally, which I think is important to acknowledge when you're calling out the danger of the Ra contact specifically, we can intensify them through certain techniques and yeah, it may not go as anticipated. Basically, if you're not meditating, you're f****d

Hence I think guidance is helpful.  Now, you use the word control as if I were aiming to deprive people of naturally moving into a certain kind of catalyst.  If they are there, I want to help guide them out of that place.  If they're not yet there, I want to help steer them clear of that path.  Putting up a sign saying detour isn't controlling to me when its done for another's sake.

If with that done a person still wants to take that road, experience that catalyst, I won't stop them, and I'll even let them know I'll be here waiting to help them if they want.  I understand I had to experience that to become whom I am now, but I know it's done some damage that I'm still recovering from, if another desires such, so be it, but I walked into that place as the Fool, very naive of what was to come.  Other's can now walk into that place with an idea of what's to come, and now lacking total naivete can go further than I in making good use of that catalyst.

What guidance do you wish you had been offered that you feel could have prevented your suffering?

By the way, when I said "you have no control over others' suffering", I didn't mean to imply that I felt like you were seeking control or to control others. I was simply pointing out that I don't see any lever available for you to pull; in other words, I don't think you or any of us are actually capable of helping in the way you want to. I might be wrong about that, but I don't want you to think I see you as a control freak or something.

You are fine with letting wanderers wander into fire, you rationalize it well with what this material teaches.  I don't subscribe 100% to the Ra Material, there's bits and pieces that human wise are basically immoral and irresponsible.  Such as in this instance, to just let people wander into hell by the practices provided without guidance and to let that place shape them.  It is oddly inconsiderate of what the entity desires instead overwriting that for ideas of what was 'meant to be', except life isn't predetermined or free form, there's a mixture, and I'll use that mixture to make sure someone isn't shaped darkly by dark experiences that I could have steered them clear of.  Especially if they do not want such experiences.

Well, it's not that I seek to be cruel or callous. I struggle mightily with the harsh nature of the illusion. It does sometimes seem like we are fodder for the Creator's learning process sometimes, doesn't it?

I suppose where I differ with you, CA, is not so much whether it's desirable to help in the way you seek, but whether it's even possible. When we are talking about catalyst, we are not talking about something outside the person you seek to help. We are talking about something that is intimately tied up in that person's incarnational plan, in the very personality that you are interfacing with to offer help. That person will always be able to have a better grasp on that than you will, because it is theirs, and everybody's catalyst is incomprehensibly different.

What you seem to be talking about is preventing people from having certain negative experiences. And that's cool, and I understand that, but please don't think that you're preventing catalyst that they (and their higher selves) have arranged to encounter. If it doesn't manifest in one way, it will manifest in another. People are perfectly capable of walking into hell without the Ra material or any spirituality at all.

I appreciate the experience, but I do not resonate with the idea of letting painful things happen because God said so.

This is exactly what I'm talking about with respect to control. We don't "let" painful things happen. It's not up to us as third density personalities. You're not "letting" people suffer by not giving them guidance. They will suffer, no matter what you do, because in some sense they came here for that experience.

Again, I want to be clear: I'm not arguing against providing guidance. I'm arguing a little bit against the standard you're erecting that motivates providing that guidance. You cannot prevent suffering. I think this is placing far, far too much responsibility on yourself.

There's a certain amount of sorrow involved in being helpful in the way those of the Confederation advocate. That sorrow is painful for us looking on as others stumble. It is not pleasant to watch others stumble. It triggers memories of our own painful encounters with our catalyst. Sorrow is part of our experience in being on this planet and providing help, meager help that has no guarantee of actually effecting what we wish.

And let's be certain that, when we offer help, we offer help to the unique person in their unique situation, instead of simply recapitulating our past lessons and "reliving our catalyst through another". That's why sending love and light is such a perfect, if seemingly incommensurate, method of helping: it respect the free will of the helped and calls out to the best in them to deal with their catalyst and learn their lessons, instead of preventing them from encountering learning.

Thanks for your reply, I really enjoy this conversation.

[rva_jeremy]

I was going through the L/L Research twitter feed and found this excerpt that I think is appropriate for the conversation.

We are also aware at this time that many of you are concerned about others, and we ask you again to remember that each person has a pattern for their life. In many cases this pattern has not been revealed to the person, due to his lack of meditation, or due to the necessity for the pattern being hidden in order that a lesson may be learned. Thus, if you are concerned for another we encourage you to feel at one with the person for whom you care, to feel at one with love and light, and then to allow that unity to flow.

The essence of freedom is to know that the pattern has been freely chosen by each being, is being given a chance to reveal itself to that person in its own way. Within the illusion that you call the physical life, you cannot tell what is good and what is bad, for the lessons are many, and often what seems to be a difficulty is in fact a prelude to a great learning and a great happiness. Therefore, trust in the pattern of each unique being, and trust that we are all connected, unique as we each are, in total harmony of being, so that our patterns flow together as do the waters of the sea, each atom changing and flowing until one becomes all and all is one. Yes, you are unique, but you may let the bubble burst upon the wave of your being and merge completely with the unity of all and still be unique. You cannot lose this uniqueness. Therefore, allow the beauty of the patterns in the great tapestry to emerge, treasured and loved by you, given their freedom by you, whether you understand or whether you are only trying does not matter. All that matters is that your attitude is that of love toward yourself, toward others, toward the planet on which you dwell, and toward the creation of which you are a part.

[Jade]

I think your grievances with the Ra material are very founded, CA. This is a very powerful tome and most people do not treat it as such. As it stands, there aren't any explicit, clear warnings from Ra about the inherent dangers of forced polarization, just as there aren't any clear, explicit directions with what steps one must take to polarize carefully and become a positive adept. This is to preserve free will. Ra could not say "do this, don't do that" - especially not from 6th density. They are just trying something new in their experience continuum to help us, as their previous efforts have been a perceived failure. And I'm sure many would think this attempt was somewhat of a failure, too.

However, what I've found, is that the more I read through the material, the more I see Ra's warnings and guidances much more clearly. There are things Ra says to the group, explicit instructions on how to help Carla and how to help tune the group, that they totally ignore. And it's not because they weren't looking for that information, they very clearly were asking about it every single session! But Ra's language is so thick, it's easy to miss some of the things they say when just reading upon the surface, or, alternatively, reading for a specific agenda. Or, as the Latwii quote above says, sometimes the lesson is deliberately hidden from us so that we can learn something new from it.

Jeremy is very right that what you are trying to protect people from is an internal experience - specifically, usually, the painful experience of awakening in our third density society. Or, more intimately, an experience of initiation - which I'm sure if often planned/guarded to the best of the ability of the Higher self/mbs totality. Your experiences of "hell" are experiences that the Creator never fathomed before you went there. And now, because you went there, the Creator is more, infinity has grown. This is why Wanderers bravely incarnate into this density - to create more darkness, and then learn to love and accept the darkness. This is some of the richest grist for the mill of infinity.

[rva_jeremy]

This is a fun example of how reality exists as dynamic tensions.  What's right to do? What's wrong to do? How can we tell?

Nothing is known. Learn/teach and teach/learn.

Seriously, though: mystery is what it's all about. NOTHING is known. We breathe in danger every moment.

[Minyatur]

Thanks. It's good to see/hear another viewpoint. I would not have known this otherwise.
I used to be much better at it, and had been tested a number of times and chose not to use the power.

It can quickly become a puzzle to solve if one delves too far into it.

I may have spoken wrong as I'm not trying to change the people.

From Bashar and Abraham Hicks and other teachers say we create our own reality.

So there's something to be said about taking conscious control of our life. I don't think we're meant to experience just random catalyst.

I probably don't have to try to shift myself to that reality. In fact, I have not even tried that I can remember. I'm just focused on marketing and building a site for it.

I've always said that I definitely do not want to violate anyone's free will.

That does really sound good. I often think the idea of shifting realities and timelines come as an easy way out in control, while I deeply feel like there's associated cause and effect which is left out. The way you're talking about it does sound positive though. You should share with us the website once you're done!

The way I see polarity is that it's really more about intent than results. Let's say a result can be reached in both polarity of intent, which path will you want to take?
In the example of your book. I think the positive one is really just; I wish anyone, that would be uplifted by my work and would be glad to have found it, may be drawn to find it and love they did. vs; I want the people who populate this earth to be people who like my book.


I can tell you that there's infinite people that would love your book, the sole thing I can't tell you is what % of this world is made up of these infinite people.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Jeremy, Jade, your contributions are priceless, I see the attempt made to help me understand and the patience to discuss this all.

I'll take time to consider the given channelings and contemplate all that you've each said in tandem with the channelings.

I just want to say I am sorry for my tone, I can't seem to turn it off from cold sounding sometimes and I apologize for that and any of the times I seem inconsiderate or dismissive.  I don't intend to come off so arrogant.

I wish to point out I feel misunderstood, I do not mean to call the Law of One in any way evil or totally dark, I just wish to acknowledge what I have taken away from my experiences of seriously taking the Law of One.

I guess I was wrong...  I take this stuff crazy serious.  I have this insane goal, or dream, to somehow bridge the understandings of the heart to be explained to the intellectual in a way that is as logical as 1 + 1 except in this caee it'd be like Love + Love, but explained in a mechanical sense in metaphor that translates the very profound concepts of the Universal Love into intellectual understanding.

A lot of that seems to mean you need to explain meditative experiences to people who have no interest in meditating, but more, teach them those experiences without them meditating to find them.

The closest solution I found was deep contemplation.

Further I am struggling greatly in understanding what is wrong with my desire to guide people away from traumatic experiences that they won't want?  Its like telling a friend it wouldn't be cool to record him trying to do a standing backflip on concrete, for the first time he's ever tried.  Only in this case I exaggerate it to be hellish emotional despair instead of a splitting headache.

But you all seem to want to tell me its okay that such things happen.  I totally agree, the wars and Death and slaughter and the vastness of it are all valid and should not be dismissed or avoided in absoluteness, as they have at their root that same Love I seek, even if it should seem horrendous.

I just think... I hope anyways...  That lessons can be learned as efficaciously in peace as in war   That we don't need to fight wars.  We don't need to kill.  We can solve problems without suffering extremely to finally desire a solution.  We don't need to let children touch the hot stove for them to learn, not always anyways.

I guess I'm of a niche in this instance, to help a specific instance of certain types of people, in the case of the Law of One, whom might be susceptible to handling the teachings alone, not so well.

And all I suggest to this is that some people should practice this material under guidance.

I don't see why that should mean I lack an appreciation for the importance of their suffering or the love behind it all.  In a way, it is that appreciation which moves me to want to help others know the joy of the Law of One, and not the joy/sorrow of the Law of One.

It's only 3D...  I think it's okay to help some avoid deeper sorrows in 3D.  I mean...  Life can be hard enough without thinking it's hell or something.  We're here working towards 4D, we can visit sorrow more deeply in 4D, and 5D.  And you are right, some people program themselves to experience suffering for rapid understanding and gain.  I'm not looking to interrupt that, just save those whom accidentally wander into that deep sorrowful experience from being overwhelmed by it, and for others, well it'd vary but if someone is going to practice this stuff they need the motivation and maturity to handle it a certain way.

Things I seem to lack sadly, otherwise I wouldn't be here trying to say I want to help others to avoid an unnecessary suffering.

I feel like a mother arguing for why a child doesn't need to suffer to grow.

But I might again be missing the point yall are making.  I'm sorry if I am.  Maybe my contemplations will align me to your intended expressions  :-/

[Highrculling]

I guess I was wrong...  I take this stuff crazy serious.  I have this insane goal, or dream, to somehow bridge the understandings of the heart to be explained to the intellectual in a way that is as logical as 1 + 1 except in this caee it'd be like Love + Love, but explained in a mechanical sense in metaphor that translates the very profound concepts of the Universal Love into intellectual understanding.

Dude CA, from my observations of your ID, avatar, signature and your trademark lengthy, detailed posts and replies(for some time now), I have suspected as much. It seems you wanted to walk the spiritual path in the form of intellectual process thus eliminating the hurt you're apparently so afraid of, only ended up not making much spiritual progress at all or firmly stuck at some point. What I think you don't know is that as much spiritual process does hurt it does so with such a intensity not nearly close to the intensity it hurts intellectually. Plus it's the only way to grow. Sorry if I seem to gloat a little, my lower self always lurks around and attempts to sucker puch me. It's not Me at all!

Quote:/49.4 Questioner: Well, please… will you go ahead and comment on it?
Ra: I am Ra. ............ It may seem that the rational or analytical mind might have more of a possibility of successfully pursuing the negative orientation due to the fact that, in our understanding, too much order is by its essence negative. However, ..../

Q'uo, Feb. 27, 2010:/If you stay completely within the intellect as you consider a subject, you are caught in the ceaseless round of relativity./

anyways I'm not sure if the above quote will help. hopefully it will. cheers!

[rva_jeremy]

I just want to say I am sorry for my tone, I can't seem to turn it off from cold sounding sometimes and I apologize for that and any of the times I seem inconsiderate or dismissive.  I don't intend to come off so arrogant.

There is absolutely no apology needed.  I didn't see you as inconsiderate or dismissive at all.  There was no problem at all with your tone.  I can't speak for others, but I appreciate when people make their opinions clear.

I think you're using this forum well in expressing your discomfort with an aspect of the Ra contact information that you find troubling.  I find it troubling, too, which is why I've taken so much time to share with you: in trying to soothe you, I am also trying to soothe myself.  I find the spiritual evolution through the densities to be something unfathomable; it is, therefore, not without a certain sense of fear.  Fear of oblivion, fear of eternity in struggle, fear of always being subject to some becoming, never resting or being secure.

All I can say is that these fears deserve to be felt, not avoided.  In avoiding our negative feelings, we do not expurgate them, but instead only delay feeling them.  That is the one point I'd like to impress on you: that however we may feel about the Creation, there is no escape from it, from ourselves, from the Creator.  Diving in is acceptance of the conditions of our experience and faith that they have a purpose.  We cannot avoid suffering, but we can touch those tender wounds within us that are causing it and acknowledge what they have to teach.

I wish to point out I feel misunderstood, I do not mean to call the Law of One in any way evil or totally dark, I just wish to acknowledge what I have taken away from my experiences of seriously taking the Law of One.

I know, and I'm sorry for not acknowledging the appropriateness of your feelings.  I was talking privately with another member about how much I felt like I wasn't giving you the feedback that what you're feeling is totally legitimate.  I'm glad Jade did.

I think I actually do understand where you're coming from better than you might think, but maybe I'm wrong.  When you describe a fear that seems so much like the fear I feel, it's hard to keep the focus solely on you and not mix my own symptoms in.  It is precisely because I feel that I know the feeling you're pointing at -- that dread that our spiritual growth will take us through hell and pain, that this is what we have to look forward to -- that I lobby you so hard.  I am lobbying myself; I am doing exactly what I warned you against, and addressing my own catalyst much more directly than I am yours.  I apologize for that, as I really do want to help, but it feels so close to the help I need that I know of no way not to make it personal for me.

Further I am struggling greatly in understanding what is wrong with my desire to guide people away from traumatic experiences that they won't want?  Its like telling a friend it wouldn't be cool to record him trying to do a standing backflip on concrete, for the first time he's ever tried.  Only in this case I exaggerate it to be hellish emotional despair instead of a splitting headache.

But you all seem to want to tell me its okay that such things happen.  I totally agree, the wars and Death and slaughter and the vastness of it are all valid and should not be dismissed or avoided in absoluteness, as they have at their root that same Love I seek, even if it should seem horrendous.

I just think... I hope anyways...  That lessons can be learned as efficaciously in peace as in war   That we don't need to fight wars.  We don't need to kill.  We can solve problems without suffering extremely to finally desire a solution.  We don't need to let children touch the hot stove for them to learn, not always anyways.

Thank you for your graciousness, I'm sorry I haven't returned it.  There's nothing wrong with your desire in my humble opinion.  There's nothing wrong with trying to help people.  I am not trying to stop you from anything you might do that you feel would help.

However, what I'm trying to do is help you set expectations appropriately.  In a sense, I am doing just what you're doing -- trying to prevent you from encountering suffering in not seeing the fruits of your help that you expect.  Those of Ra do point out that help is best given as love and light, where we help the other person not by directing them but by giving them more love and light with which to walk their own path.  What you were describing as your desire to connect the heart insights with the intellect is part of what I think is at issue here, because it's not clear we can think our way out of these problems at all, and the capacity of the heart is first and foremost to feel, both the positive and the negative.

There's a part of helping others that involves wanting to see the other flourish, but there's another part of helping others that is a bit more selfish, in a way -- it arises from not wanting to feel the pain ourselves that arises from seeing another in pain.  Q'uo has been asked about this very topic before.  And I got the sense that, having suffered so much, part of what was motivating you was to see others not go through what you did because it would trigger the memories of what you'd gone through in the past.  I fully own that I may have been wrong about that, or rather, that I was dishing the medicine to you that I should have been taking.  Thank you for impelling me to be more honest with myself.

Let's take your experience as an example, CA: what warning do you believe you could have received that would have prevented what you perceive as greater-than-necessary suffering?

[Infinite Unity]

The spoken of techniques include the one's you gave as an example silly.  To focus on the love in the moment.  Carla's book Living the Law of One explained very fluently how chakra balancing can lead to attracting different catalyst, to eventually becoming a lighthouse by moving kundalini to indigo ray, to begin manifesting more rapidly our disciplined thoughts directed at love.

If that discipline is disregarded, Ra's mentioning of severe imbalance seems like a gentle way of saying some pretty serious stuff is going to happen to you.

Hence I think guidance is helpful.  Now, you use the word control as if I were aiming to deprive people of naturally moving into a certain kind of catalyst.  If they are there, I want to help guide them out of that place.  If they're not yet there, I want to help steer them clear of that path.  Putting up a sign saying detour isn't controlling to me when its done for another's sake.

If with that done a person still wants to take that road, experience that catalyst, I won't stop them, and I'll even let them know I'll be here waiting to help them if they want.  I understand I had to experience that to become whom I am now, but I know it's done some damage that I'm still recovering from, if another desires such, so be it, but I walked into that place as the Fool, very naive of what was to come.  Other's can now walk into that place with an idea of what's to come, and now lacking total naivete can go further than I in making good use of that catalyst.

I used to have such thoughts at the forefront of my mind, the why's of evil and how such is necessary and inherently good.  I still feel that way but I don't think everyone needs to go through whatever willynilly catalyst they're walking towards.  If they're not there yet, a few warning signs and helpful guide signs might just put them on a better track.

This is like a classic time travel argument, if someone is meant   to experience a hell path but along the way someone who has already traveled that path curves them to the outskirts of hell rather than right through it, was it wrong to redirect that person to a different path?  Will they still somehow end up where they're meant to be or is where they're meant to be now different?

As I said, I think putting up helpful detour signs isn't controlling.  In fact I note that many people don't even understand what accounts for control, or hence polarization and depolarization when the nuances of subtlety occur.  If we took guiding an entity to be a controlling act, our spirit guides would be quite selfish.  I think in the case of working with information such as taking deep to mind and heart the perceptions of the world a certain way to accelerate polarization, in this case, to see everything with iunconditional love, we open up the power of the Law of Attraction, we begin attracting what we put out.  Thoughts, words, actions, and the intensity of those things.

So if we go from daily worship of the sacredness of creation, to being hit with the bodily catalyst of chronic depression, where you inevitably lose that inner control to a neural imbalance, you might compound that catalyst with the deep spiritual catalyst of deepening or magnifying that depression into some warped experience of misery.

And such may not be needed but a consequence of not properly taking care of that inevitable catalytic need of the chemical balancing of the body.  In that light, the compounded catalyst of magnified depression is not needed, but accidentally triggered.

I'm trying to disarm those triggers from blasting people into some extremely low vibratory spaces that come off hellish.

Call it controlling, but its one way I'm going to try to be of service to others here.  If someone starts talking like me, about some dark stuff that they came across while doing work in consciousness such as rapid polarization, I'll help them out of it, rather than leave them to grope and grasp their way out that place.

I feel like that seems only right, to help others more easily through that which took me a year to get through.

And I can appreciate how such experiences shaped me, but I may not appreciate the overall darkened shape from after the vividness of such an experience.

You are fine with letting wanderers wander into fire, you rationalize it well with what this material teaches.  I don't subscribe 100% to the Ra Material, there's bits and pieces that human wise are basically immoral and irresponsible.  Such as in this instance, to just let people wander into hell by the practices provided without guidance and to let that place shape them.  It is oddly inconsiderate of what the entity desires instead overwriting that for ideas of what was 'meant to be', except life isn't predetermined or free form, there's a mixture, and I'll use that mixture to make sure someone isn't shaped darkly by dark experiences that I could have steered them clear of.  Especially if they do not want such experiences.

We often give precedence to The OIC, and writeoff the small bits as if we were bacteria.  You don't think twice about removing bacteria, its so small and seemingly insignificant.  I won't disregard portions of creator to fulfill this lame will of the creator to experience itself.  That can be misconstrued to basically help people suffer.  That's not very selfless to make others suffer for the gain of their overwatching coexisting deityself.

God doesn't deserve more consideration than the parts that make it up.  We're all equal here so if God itself came meandering along right towards hell I'd do the same for it.

"Hey God, that's a very dark path, are you sure you want to go that way? It's kind of hellish."  And if God says yes, so be it, but I like to think, since we're all god's in veil, God would turn to me and say "Oh! Good to know!" And take a different route.

I mean, we can argue that things like mass shootings and such are meant to be, but I'm very sure everyone who experienced that would've wished someone detoured them.

I don't see how it's wrong to do such as such.

I appreciate the experience, but I do not resonate with the idea of letting painful things happen because God said so.

Just as God is fine with animal slaughter, rape, torture, and murder, I'm not at that godly placement of detachment to just be well with that, in a way I as a human am arguably here to provide love in ways to hopefully eventually make it so that animals need not be slaughtered or people suffer from torture or rape.

I'm sure the creator wouldn't mind one way or another, just so long as I experienced for it.

This is a fun example of how reality exists as dynamic tensions.  What's right to do? What's wrong to do? How can we tell?

I agree with you. Warning an entity is not controlling. I don't think God wants or even specifically designed such harshness of reality. I believe that entities in this sector have forged the experience through experience. Or rather that entities, and the way they respond and have learned has caused the reality to be so harsh. However there are tons of things, I cannot ameliorate in my own paradigm. Because I just don't see far enough to assemble a true paradigm.

[Louisabell]

I take the LOO very seriously, and I live it everyday through this way:

Through trial and error I found that the best course of development for me was to stay in the lower centres and work through those blockages. Ra uses the word understanding to also refer to love. I am dedicated to understanding myself. I acknowledge the shadows within. I observe when I feel anger, fear or envy. I live as authentically as I can.

One of the big lessons I have learnt is not to force or fake emotions or understandings. I don't force myself to love everyone unconditionally, if that energy doesn't flow naturally and effortlessly then I acknowledge that I'm just not there yet.

I have had to face parts of my nature that I found disgusting and abhorrent, but with the knowledge that all this will help me unite with the Creator, I find great joy in the process.

I have had negative greetings, which I won't get into, but I am so incredibly grateful for these experiences as they have allowed me to develop my faith beyond what I ever thought possible. These experiences have pushed me to see where in my life I have acted as tormentor, tempter, flatterer, manipulator. And sure enough I can find it - just in very subtle and unconscious ways.

Last year I took LSD for the first time. I experienced what Ra talks about - opening a gateway. This has motivated me on my spiritual journey so much more, but I recognise the falsity of it placing me closer to the light then naturally obtained. As a result I am very strict with myself by not using any techniques, rituals or divination.

All in all, my journey would be very similar to someone undergoing psychoanalysis with Jungian philosophy - a lot more psychology based then outwardly spiritual. I cannot fault the power of the LOO to give tremendous focus towards clarity. I am eternally grateful.

[Jade]

Joseph, I think the impossible goal you might be trying to achieve is what Ra calls learning for someone else. You can make attempts to teach, but you can't go so far as to do all the learning for others. We are here to MAKE mistakes. Now, to guide people to a more distilled understanding of the Law of One, I highly resonate with that goal and ideal - but the way that you do that is become as familiar with the material as possible, and then seek out places where there are others who are asking questions - there are almost 8,000 people in the fairly active Facebook Law of One group! I find the questions there are often less "challenging" to respond to.

So, I very much understand and also desire your end goal - and feel as if I've had some successes achieving this desired goal. So here's my teach/learning advice: Study, meditate, and reflect. Learn to be concise. You have decades and decades left of your life to be a teacher - start preparing now. And for the record, Q'uo has taught me much, much more about practical integration and application of the Ra material than Ra and myself alone could ever understand.

But just remember, to not cling too hard to this goal. You CANNOT save everyone, and most people's spiritual struggle is highly planned and guarded by their incarnative programming. We come to third density to experience struggle, confusion, and suffering - and if you divert someone's suffering, and they miss that lesson, then the suffering will just show back up in another way. I'm not saying that it's not worth it to try. But it's worth it to see value in suffering too, which I know to some people can be a twisted point of view, but we have to take the opportunities to look at this through a meta-lens, because that is what the Ra material gives us: perspective. Being able to zoom in and out of the microcosm to the macrocosm is another skill to develop.

8.1 Questioner: I have a question about [what] I call the advertising of the Confederation. It has to do with free will. There have been certain contacts allowed, as I understand, by the Council, but this is limited because of free will of those who are not oriented in such a way that they could maybe want contact. This material that we are doing now will be disseminated. Dissemination of this material will be dependent upon the wants of [a] relatively small number of people on the planet. Many people on the planet now want this material, but even though we disseminate it they will not be aware it is available. Is there any possibility of creating some effect which I would call advertising, or is this against the principle of free will?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider, if you will, the path your life-experience complex has taken. Consider the coincidences and odd circumstances by which one thing flowed to the next. Consider this well.

Each entity will receive the opportunity that each needs. This information source-beingness does not have uses in the life-experience complex of each of those among your peoples who seek. Thus the advertisement is general and not designed to indicate the searching out of any particular material, but only to suggest the noumenal aspect of the illusion.

[Patrick]

Extremely positive effect on me. I ponder this stuff every single day with what happens around me. It's winter here and I found a fully grown mosquitoe in my house yesterday. I became really angry, I really don't like these guys. I was pondering letting it live, but the thing was just trying to get me. So I destroyed it. Now I'm still trying to find the love contained in that moment. It was obviously a meaningful catalyst, but still it eludes me in its simplicity.

Before the Law of One, I would never have pondered about such a seemingly trivial event. Now I see that such events are very important indeed.

[Minyatur]

Extremely positive effect on me. I ponder this stuff every single day with what happens around me. It's winter here and I found a fully grown mosquitoe in my house yesterday. I became really angry, I really don't like these guys. I was pondering letting it live, but the thing was just trying to get me. So I destroyed it. Now I'm still trying to find the love contained in that moment. It was obviously a meaningful catalyst, but still it eludes me in its simplicity.

Before the Law of One, I would never have pondered about such a seemingly trivial event. Now I see that such events are very important indeed.

What I like about mosquitoes is how they don't kill anything they feed upon, taking but the tiniest portion of blood.

[Jade]

I just politely ask the mosquitoes not to bother me. Then usually if I get bit, I barely notice, and my body processes the "toxin" they release very quickly so I don't even have a reaction. I've been camping/hiking through clouds of mosquitoes but I can't remember the last time I had a "mosquito bite". I feel like it's hard to deny serving a hungry being who isn't really asking for much at all.

Anyway, your catalyst Patrick reminds me of this Tolstoy quote:

[W]hen force is used against one who has not yet carried out his evil intent, I can never know which would be greater--the evil of my act of violence or of the act I want to prevent. We kill the criminal that society may be rid of him, and we never know whether the criminal of to-day would not have been a changed man tomorrow, and whether our punishment of him is not useless cruelty. We shut up the dangerous--as we think--member of society, but the next day this man might cease to be dangerous and his imprisonment might be for nothing. I see that a man I know to be a ruffian is pursuing a young girl. I have a gun in my hand--I kill the ruffian and save the girl. But the death or the wounding of the ruffian has positively taken place, while what would have happened if this had not been I cannot know. And what an immense mass of evil must result, and indeed does result, from allowing men to assume the right of anticipating what may happen. Ninety- nine per cent of the evil of the world is founded on this reasoning--from the Inquisition to dynamite bombs, and the executions or punishments of tens of thousands of political criminals.

[Patrick]

If there remains only one mosquitoe in a forest, it will find me and get me. I am a mosquitoe magnet and I suppose this protects other people around me. My body does react quite badly to it as well. Letting them get me would be compassionate but what about the wisdom in this? So I try to find wise and compassionate responses to such, but I very often fall short of reaching a proper balance that seems ok for all involved.

If I let a part of the Creator suffer for the benefit of another part, then the net result is still suffering of the Creator. I am far from being wise enough to resolve this issue regarding mosquitoes. It seems to me that removing myself from their sphere of influence is the wisest solution, but no... they find me in winter in my house. So clearly I still have very much to learn from this catalyst.

Thank you for sharing your points of view on this. I find it helpful.

[Minyatur]

If there remains only one mosquitoe in a forest, it will find me and get me. I am a mosquitoe magnet and I suppose this protects other people around me. My body does react quite badly to it as well. Letting them get me would be compassionate but what about the wisdom in this? So I try to find wise and compassionate responses to such, but I very often fall short of reaching a proper balance that seems ok for all involved.

If I let a part of the Creator suffer for the benefit of another part, then the net result is still suffering of the Creator. I am far from being wise enough to resolve this issue regarding mosquitoes. It seems to me that removing myself from their sphere of influence is the wisest solution, but no... they find me in winter in my house. So clearly I still have very much to learn from this catalyst.

Thank you for sharing your points of view on this. I find it helpful.

Can't really judge as I'm a lot like Jade on this. I don't attract them and also do the mental work of asking them to keep away to see it work and my body also barely reacts to the bites.

At times I may experience a tingling to see I killed one scratching my arm by accident.

In term of catalyst I see bugs as reflecting life. How much do you respect and value life when it is presented as smaller and more fragile than your own? If it is not bad to squash life in its lesser form then how does that mirror how we are treated by life ourselves?

[Patrick]

I do not think their form is lesser. I do my best to let bugs be and bring them outside the house one by one if I spot them. I have an issue with mosquitoes specifically. I believe the catalyst is about something other than letting insects live. Something regarding prevention of needless sufferings for the whole of the Creator. This really is a big theme for me in this incarnation.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Ahh, Jeremy you've been exemplary this entire conversation, no worries man!

Overall I think we've touched a very delicate matter here, and that is whether or not we should be more active in guiding others that come across this material and are struggling with it.

It seems I am of the minority party, to help move those struggling away from such traumatic catalyst regardless of if they ask or not, while the majority party seems to prefer the way of the universe, to only offer a hand once it is asked for.

I think we can all agree the majority is in the safer basket of choice here.

I think it's not incorrect what was said of me, that I am trying to learn/teach for others, although I don't fully agree, I can see why this is perceived.

Sadly I lack the ability to properly express myself, of which I usually blame the HFA, thanks brain for trying anyways.

So, overall I just want to voice a great pleasure in how we're all sharing.  I was worried I was derailing my thread again but it turns out I've offered an interesting bit of catalyst to this community in pondering the safety and dangers of the information in the Law of One.

I will try to stick to the camp of helping others proactively, without awaiting for their help, at least those who are clearly showing problems assimilating safely this information.

I find it perfectly acceptable that others do not join me in this endeavor.  I just can't...Admit to feeling okay with just leaving others to the same experiences I had.

To answer your question Jeremy, I would've liked someone to take me aside and tell me that if I'm not meditating, trying to perform the practices given will potentially lead me to very strange and even painful experiences.  That I need that meditative state, it is not optional, and that if I'm going to seek understanding darkness, I must do so from a very well grounded placement of light and love, and nowhere else.

Instead I had no real guidance, no real help, but speculation, just opinion, just the usual, and it damaged me.

And the best part is I KNOW, from my own life theme recurring, that I will find someone who does not want my help, but will need it, and whom will reject my help, and get hurt.  I KNOW that pattern is coming on, and this time I'm going to break it.

I won't fumble and screw up expressing myself, I will manage to help that person, by simply giving them someone to ground against, someone to grab them by the hand and pull them back up out of the pit of hell and to say, "Hey that was rough, are you okay?  Want to talk about it?"

In a way, at the very least...I wanted someone to talk about it, to look at me and say, "No dude, this isn't Hell, what's going on with you??"  But no one did.  So I had to make sense of it myself.  Had to walk through the bloody horrors of my own mind losing control to one brutal murder fantasy after another, with all the vividness of blood and bone and sinew, with emotions equating mostly to despair and such a deep level of it that even suicide seemed hopeless, like killing myself would just leave me in the same place repeating it all over, in a way, prolonging the experience by trying to escape it.  It was this perfect little hellish prison I built for myself inside of my head and put myself inside of and there was no key, no lock, no cage, just emptiness, pointlessness, hopelessness, worthlessness, pitch absent despair of the highest magnitude I was capable of knowing.

All I wanted was for it to be a dream, to wake up and be back in reality before I knew heaven or hell, to wake up and not think I just came back from astral realms of sleeping, to not think I am attached to some God aligning me to 'catalyst' that was intended to hurt me to teach me a lesson.  All I wanted was for someone to break that delusion, but I didn't really talk to anyone back then, I still don't, and when I'm suffering I close up and shut down and don't tell anyone anything.

So in the end irregardless I have myself to blame on various layers of reality, and in many ways, there's no blame to even be given, it was just meant to happen and that's that, no wrong, no right, just Being.

So.  I look back at those times, now that they have passed, all of 2014, 2015, and most of 2016 feel like a blur, a blur through experiences of heaven and hell, and I am much greater, much better, much more defined and known now because of those experiences...

Looking back, it feels like the moment my son was taken from me, I began a spiritual journey that culminated with me waking up in late 2013/early 2014, and culminated in my witnessing the light, and the dark, and now there's only one thing left.  The Unity.

Or maybe I'm just intellectualizing my known path in-so-far as I know it so far, as I see it that I am experiencing the whole spectrum, the good, the bad, the ugly, the beautiful, the whole.

I've seen heaven, I've seen hell.  What's left to be seen but that which makes it all up?

And it's funny because the heaven side of things felt like I was already partly aware of the all that makes it all up, and yet outside of that experience I am now profoundly caught up with the realization that my experiences of knowing my Higher Self, Creator, and Creation, were very shallow despite their profoundness, and that the darkness I experienced mirrored this.

It's like...I have Spirit Guides of the Light and the Dark, as if the Angels and Demons know me, and as if the gods and devils know me.  It's like, I'm walking on the cusp of the outer world while teetering on the cusp of the inner world, and that all of the good and the bad are just things to help pass the time, to help teach me, to help be me, and that all the madness and perfection is just games and titles and arbitrary things designed to just give me something to do.

I remember, the only time I ever did shrooms, I had such a dark profound realization, or what I call a delusion at the time, of being The Creator, having realized it is Singular, and thus, Only.  AllOne/Alone.  It was not painful, it was not deleterious, it was...  Just a fact.  That at the end of it all, I am me, The Creator, I am by myself, all alone, on my own, no one else, at the beginning, at the end, and all things between.

Pray Tell, Other-Self, art thou lonely this day?

You think you're not, but are you not all things?

And therein lies my awe and wonder and bewilderment, knowing that when I die my attempts of longevity of ego will fail, I will fade away into memory and that which is truly me will re-emerge and consume me with the sheer towering of it's being.  Shadow's taller than my soul, yet my soul is taller than my shadow, it stretches into infinity while the shadows converge into a singular point and disappear, consumed by the lack of a point to cast it.

It's just another damn metaphor.  Coming here, for what purpose but to be a whipping boy wanderer to help a planet destitute with greed and forgetting.  My very presence enlightens this place?  Strange, because I feel like I'm but a shimmering candle on an oceanfront in the middle of the night, what I wouldn't give to be in a world of light doing things that don't leave me feeling so...  Wishful to not exist.

It's tiresome, why am I so tired?  It's not just physical, mental, or emotional, it is clearly spiritual.  It's like my soul is tired of 3D, like I'm tired of this, I'm even getting a headache just focusing on the darn sensation of weariness.

Is it that I have come far enough in my understanding as a soul to feel sleepiness as a soul?  Is it that I am actually exhausted from my work in 3D?

The Law of One, answered so many questions but then the Catch is known, for every question answered, two more questions pop up, the mysterious infinite nature of creation, every answer has a question.

At the end of the day, or perhaps my life, I hope to know only one damn thing and one damn thing only.

Everything.  All I want, to know everything.

And should I not know everything when I die, then I suspect I will succeed in my true purpose in life; To Fail Life and Still Finish It.

I have come to deeply believe that this particular incarnation I'm in now has been failed a myriad of times, I'm talking at least two dozen times, like this is the life that has given me the greatest trouble, the greatest problems, the greatest obstacles for my personal being.  The depth of my...Thoughtfulness brings me to some very deeply disturbing ideas that have left me now and then feeling devoid of what to do but just give up.

Maybe this life is about making it through, and that the only way to view it as a success in my own...Uh...Soul...Eyes...  View, the only way to view it as a success in my own view is to simply complete it.

That scares me, because I'm...Keenly worried about my 40's...  I have this horrible feeling, belief, that my 40's is where it all gets screwed up, again, and again, an again.  Maybe it's even age 44, maybe that's what I've been discovering in this recurrent number of 44 going on since 2014 when I was 22.  Maybe 44 is my great big challenge, maybe it's what I'm dreading, maybe it's what makes me feel so weak and feeble, like I'm a twig on a river about to go down a big ass rapid and get stuck against a rock instead of making it to the sandy beach.

I don't know, but overall, the Law of One is what KEPT me from suicide, in fact, I remember it so vividly, I had JUST decided on a deep level to plan out my suicide, like I was on the 120% serious mode, prepared to start getting things straightened up to end them, and then I come across this comment on facebook calling some conspiracy theorist 'ignorant' and then there's the Hidden Hand Dialogues right there, and even then, another two weeks passed before I read the actual Law of One because I was slowly preparing and planning on how to most easily make things easy on everyone, and then I read the Law of One.

I remember, as I read those first few pages asking me to keep an open mind to the idea of UFO's and Aliens, and I thought to myself, I already believe in aliens (ever since seeing a crop circle on the news and then being subsequently terrified that night of being abducted, and then boom a dust storm hits, I'm so terrified I'm sleeping upstairs with my parents, literally PRAYING to God, something I don't usually do, adrenaline rushing, terrified, and then boom, it's the next morning.

How'd I fall asleep with so much adrenaline in my system?  Some part of me thinks I had a visit that night, or perhaps I just wore myself out and fell asleep.

Either way, I also believed in UFO's though never saw one, but I wanted to, I was always looking into the night sky, longingly, like there was something out there I missed.

Then I got to the first few sessions and saw the basic philosophy summed up, All Is One, One Is All, that One is Unified Infinite Unconditional Love, The Original Thought, The Truth.

I found the answer to my long question, What Is The Truth?  The Truth is Unconditional Love.

Then, after discovering the Law of One, I looked back through my books and drawings.  The Law of One was ABUNDANT, INSIDE OF MY IMAGINATION, before I even knew anything about it.  I already had such concepts as Love is the Answer to all conflict, that creation was nested inside of a vast plenum (which I named The Obliteration) of which was the real creation, and within which existed 'The Creator', and such concepts as The Truth that I tried to explain in these writings had one thing alluded to it that even I never noticed until I re-read the final fight between my major book's protagonist and antagonist, and realized that I had already revealed what The Truth is to myself when my protagonist narrowly defeated the antagonist while on the brink of death, by simply forgiving the antagonist, and having compassion for all the horror he went through that made him into the malicious murderous madman he was presently, and in that one moment of providing unconditional love, all of the problems that plagues the protagonist and the plot line of the book quickly fell apart into a swift ending.

I look back at my emerging college experiences just before I found the Law of One, I was already aiming towards a Creator in-line with how the Material portrays The Infinite Creator.

It's so hard to put into coherent simplified sentences just how much coincidence, unbelievable coincidence, that there is in my life that aligns with the Law of One, I CANNOT ESCAPE IT, I CANNOT GET AWAY FROM IT.

The Universe is alive and it is calling me, and it knows I'm hesitant but it seems to believe in me because it will NOT STOP CALLING.

And I'm sitting here shitting myself in terror that I'm not good enough for the Universe, and all the while it holds it's arms wide open still awaiting me, telling me I'm welcome to join it anytime.

I, want to.  So why, do I feel so compelled to stay...And suffer...  And...  Continue going on, here and now?

Life is but a melody of Love dipping into the strangeness of an intelligent infinity's creative imagination.  We're but figments of God's overactive creativity.

I don't know what's going on anymore or who I am or what's what.

I just know that, I know nothing, and nothing is still something, and that this something I know, cannot be known, and thus I am here grasping and groping the sphere of mystery, trying to pierce it's surface and look in, but I can't, because I am not capable of doing so, yet this sphere sits here before me.

And I can choose, to be with the universe, or to try the inevitable impossibility of understanding this mysterious sphere.  I choose the impossible every, single, time.

Maybe...Maybe I'm not crazy, maybe...Maybe it's my soul who is crazy, and I'm just the innocent bystander whom has the divine mis/fortune to witness a soul slam it's metaphorical head against the proverbial sphere.

I wish...

I don't know.

Have some music.







Whew, better, I can think now.

Trying to describe the effects of the Law of One on my life is like trying to describe the effects God has on my life...  They are in a way intertwined, I failed what seems like not one, but two different life paths I had planned and this is the fail safe it seems, discovering the Law of One, because had I never lost my son, or dropped out of college, I probably never would have discovered the Law of One to begin with, and both those previous paths had signs of slowly revealing that information to me, but it seems I opted for this path unconsciously... Otherwise, why was I led into it so effortlessly?

Regardless, thank you God, Creator, Law of One, and the Original Thought.  I think...  I have much to learn, and...I am hopeful, that when the time is right, when the hour has come, I will be ready and willing to learn the lessons of The Law of One.

Sorry for the long messy post.

I guess it is my trademark, huh o:

[Night Owl]

I can only assume I was fortunate enough to have people to talk to about it so it was really helpful. Sorry you didn't have this chance back then. I know not everyone would agree, and there is different levels to going about it but I really think taking things not so seriously is definitely the most helpful thing you can do. I have always been taking everything very seriously, and honestly I don't think it helps. Doesn't mean it can't be taken seriously to a certain extent, like a desire to help others is definitely a good thing to take seriously but the distinction probably lies in how you take yourself in the process. If you take yourself so seriously as to obstruct your service, then maybe this is an indication to take yourself more lightly. Taking things seriously has a habit of bringing the self in a very obsessive pattern. Being serious about not taking yourself seriously is a good compromise I think.

[Glow]

If there remains only one mosquitoe in a forest, it will find me and get me. I am a mosquitoe magnet and I suppose this protects other people around me. My body does react quite badly to it as well. Letting them get me would be compassionate but what about the wisdom in this? So I try to find wise and compassionate responses to such, but I very often fall short of reaching a proper balance that seems ok for all involved.

If I let a part of the Creator suffer for the benefit of another part, then the net result is still suffering of the Creator. I am far from being wise enough to resolve this issue regarding mosquitoes. It seems to me that removing myself from their sphere of influence is the wisest solution, but no... they find me in winter in my house. So clearly I still have very much to learn from this catalyst.

Thank you for sharing your points of view on this. I find it helpful.

I'm the same.

Bees and wasps I actually don't even notice being stung just find the wound or stinger later, no swelling or itching. No issue with them.
Mosquitoes I swell up with welts.
Besides that noise as they hover around my face is really hard to sleep through, and diseases they carry. They can bite part of the creator that doesn't have to work tomorrow.

[Glow]

I've avoided answering because I don't even think I know at this point how much it will have effected me. Its to abstract to ask how seriously I take it because its the only truth to me. Like asking how yellow yellow looks to me..... what?! how does one answer that?

Not all the dogma they asked about really matters,... we can never get the whole picture through language but we are all one is the whole truth and how can you take the only truth seriously or not?
Its the only truth, its all there is. How yellow is yellow to me?

I was basically suicidal when I heard someone on another forum speak a few times in reference to LOO. He didn't even say where he was getting his perspective till I asked but it was like hearing the only thing that made sense. It was like listening to my own heart tell me my own story. Most stuff I innately understood, or rather remembered as truth from within, which is why I have tripped over some stuff in it that didn't come easy.

The stuff I take as counseling for wanderers has saved my life. Exercises, perspective, balancing,.. that stuff, other stuff is not for my journey, my path is mostly through the heart though it needs balancing with wisdom toward unity but the technical stuff was not there for me but for others. Still cool.

I guess I really don't still know how to answer this. Yellow is very very yellow. Still I don't think all the dogma is necessary. My heart recognized the truth, some stuff is very useful, others are a bit of an opportunity to be sidetracked I think but again maybe its just not the path I take so not of service to me but still of service.

Anyways nice to read all your responses.

[Minyatur]

@CA

In the heart of your will to allow others to not walk a path of hell using the material, I've pondered what stood out the most during the times you expressed experiencing hell here.

There's 3 things that stood out and to me seem like they also were the keys to resolve one's hellish experiences.

1. Your higher self. You seemed to view yourself as extremely separate from your higher self, saw it as something which condemned you and which is not with you, rather than as an integral portion of you which may be accessed. In your higher self are all keys to find to feel peace where you don't and it is an aspect of the material which does have a certain emphasis.

2. Adepthood. You've stated many times that you don't want to be an adept yet now condemn the material for having offered you keys to adepthood which you used only some of without seeking to pursue adepthood. As such, instead of seeking to build a solid and balanced foundation to work from you used higher concepts somewhat outside the context they are part of.

3. Archetypes. Each time you've been told about archetypes in times you were expressing to be unwell and stuck in hellish patterns, you have stated that you did not want to learn them while they were keys toward understanding both yourself and others, and growth as one with them. They also are an important aspect of the material and their offering is what enables one to step away from imbalances into balance and be able to build its foundation into adepthood. Even without the adepthood aspect, they are keys to understanding yourself.

So to me danger comes from not seeking through the material as a circle whole but only desired aspects of it. So I would agree it is the responsability of fellow seekers to point out an incomplete seeking which leaves important things out, but as expressed above it is not easy nor perhaps even good to change what another is drawn to and wants to look at because they will either shut down or find it elsewhere.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Well, for starters, I don't condemn the material.  Rather I urge caution with it.

I don't think my higher self condemned me, rather I don't fully understand how my higher self operates and often feel like it's a bit busy with its own agenda for me, which makes me uneasy since it is detached from me in a way that makes it very easy to program painful catalyst  that to it is like a little prick or pinch but to me, might be a lot more.

I don't want to be an adept the way everyone here thinks of an adept.  The only adeptness I want is to live the day to day magic of just being, no ritual, no rapid polarization, no work in consciousness.  Just seeing Creator, Love, and Infinity in everything.  Nothing more, nothing less, from that point I'll figure it out if I want there to be more or less.

I think you vastly misrepresent my own intended meanings, unless I was hectic enough to not be clear.  It's hard to be accurate when you feel like you're suffering.

The archetypes in my understanding, were what brought me along for the trip.  I believe those archetypes are ADVANCED adepthood tools that where I was back then, would've been extremely bad to have handled in the state I was in.

You do not seem aware of the great dangers of irresponsibly messing with the archetypes while you're actively manifesting your reality with poor direction.  The difference would've been between thinking I'm in Hell, and not thinking very much anything coherent at all.  I do not mess with the archetypes, even to study anymore because I know for myself they are dangerous.

You might have a much different neural net than I, I'm highly empathic, easily moved, easily swayed, and even easily persuaded with the right approach.  I remember reading posts by Monica so full of judgment of others as murderers for simply sitting down to eat dinner that her own rage came through me rather fiercely in this loving bond with my own rage.

Most people don't recognize it until they've known me for a few years but my mask is your mask.  If your first impression of me is I'm a loser, I'm going to be effected by that alone before we've even spoken.  I have at least half a dozen instances of knowing what someone was going to say out of the blue, like this vivid impression like giving off a wave in thought and I pick up on it.  And two cases of another getting such an impression off of me.

I cannot handle taking some of these things to heart because my mind is not properly taught/disciplined to stick to the proper procedures, because I don't know them.

Further I've got a few biochemical considerations, hypothyroidism and chronic depression.  So my hormones and neurotransmitter levels are already imbalanced by preincarnational design.  On top of a highly sensitive nervous system that had kundalini activated from just reading about the Law of One (as in just assimilating the knowledge superficially was enough to start a spiritual awakening process, taking it into deep mind blasted me into full awakening), I'm basically at risk with mishandling this material, misusing it unintentionally, and getting hurt by it from lacking guidance, someone to help me keep a hold of my mind when I get upset in a way that is irrational, as I can be...

This isn't a lone journey for me, or if it is, it's s dangerous one for my mind at least.  So easily swayed by my own manifestations, I made hell for myself out of heaven effortlessly.

I learned my lesson that time, I don't need a repeat course on it.  If I practice the Law of One, it'll be with another, for my own safety.

Yall are okay with me walking into fire.  I however am not, and if there is where we differ then just know that I'm also not okay with anyone of you walking into the fire like me.

You're all good incredible amazing people, and I, as just a human, not even a soul, will not let this material delude me into believing that purposefully letting others suffer is okay.

You don't think that if you come upon a rape or attempted murder in progress.  You wouldn't just let those sufferings happen I imagine.

Why would you if a person is suffering powerful delusions just let them suffer from then instead of trying to help them?

That seems wrong ethically to me. We all have a responsibility to each other to treat each other like how we would wish to be treated.

In that love/light, I would want someone to help end my suffering, in that way, I want to do the same for others.

There should be absolutely nothing wrong with that and if you disagree, I think you should re-examine how the Ra Material has turned you into someone who's okay with watching others suffer, 'for their own good'.  No different from a demon in Hell watching others burn to learn a lesson.  If you're okay with being that, then maybe there's much more profoundly deeper issues with this material than meets the eye.  To be able to turn empathetic kind people so deluded they see no folly in smiling in love at someone as they watch them walk into hell and start burning.

That's kind of disgusting and I really hope no one here is actually like that.

We are humans and not just souls, y'all should act like it.  Souls might look at suffering one way, but as a human, your job is to see it another way.  You cannot be both and still expect no incompatibilities.  You don't get to look at Jesus while he's being crucified, and smile in love at his suffering because he's going through his catalyst and call yourself being positive for doing such.

The nuances don't work that way...  You intend to just selfishly sit by and wave in delight as suffering consumes another.

How is that treating another the way you want to be treated?

Do you all want me to just let you suffer?

My compass is pretty well-tuned to this thing called The Golden Rule, and yes it has errors at times but overall I know I'm a good person and unless my fear gets in the way, I'd help anothet suffering irregardless of their path or catalyst because I DON'T KNOW IT
I DON'T CARE ABOUT IT
I DON'T THINK IT MATTERS

What matters is what I do in the now.  If someone is suffering in the now, I don't think about why, I think about how to help them.  How to fix their problem, how to make them smile and be happy.

The future doesn't determine my actions, even if they are meant to suffer, who says so? God?  Their soul? Screw them, they don't care about the human, about the life they're using for their own gain.  I'll show them gain, Human gain, the human gain of relief, contentness, and happiness.

Misery can come on it's own time later, when the HUMAN is more prepared for it.

That's my view and I'm sticking with it, the divine has shown an incredible lack of ethics and morality, who else is going to teach those stuck up know-it-alls that this isn't okay but One human who lives by that belief enough to showcase it? And worst case, I wasted my time helping others.  Best case, the cosmos tweaks 3D a little bit to be more efficacious and less stumblesome with catalyst for the majority of souls to work quickly with, and not just a select chunk of them while the majority drown in indifference.

Is it that I just care too much? What's going on here?

[hounsic]

I mean this in the most humble way, but could you possibly be over thinking it? Maybe just help others when your heart moves you. Anyhow its nice having you back raising these kind of discussions.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

Considering I just had a close friend tell me I'm misinterpreting what others are saying here, I'm going to agree.

I'm getting as my friend says, 'All Uppity', and getting upset at the idea of others letting others suffer.  I apparently am having a Bluebell moment where I'm taking ideas people intend all the wrong way and getting really upset over it.

My apologies everyone, I clearly need to take a bit of time to consider the things said as they were meant to be intended.

Being HFA has such frustrating moments like this, where in all good intention I mean to have a calm meaningful discussion and of all the people, I'm the one getting upset.  I'm gonna go brew some tea x-x

Edit: Oh goody, my Emotional biorhythm is at 0% today. Guess I'll be spending today avoiding emotionally charged subjects.

[Highrculling]

I am sorry about my last post some floors above this, me was feeling really good from reading some pathwork lectures the other night, and I thought I perceived one of your problems and offered a plausible solution, but it came out wrong. I was unaware of your journal thing and there was a lot of judgement in my tone. I am sorry.

I feel like I don't have the necessary skills to properly help you at the moment. Not without significant time and effort. But I will start with the easy one. //How seriously do you take the Law of One? How has it effected you?// you ask.

/65.12 Questioner: ......
Ra: I am Ra. ...... There are fourth- and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. ......

Categories: Harvest, Wanderers/

(TLDR:Ra is here)This is what mere wanderers could do, imagine the effect from the Ra collective! Make no mistake, they are(were/will be) here, they are on to us, they care, and they are doing everything they could along with all our other neighbors. They have come as close as they could, i.e. somewhere in "our" 5th density, without lighting our asses on fire. This is where both parties feel comfortable. Picture, if you will, we have nice radiators around.

/1.1 Questioner: ......
Ra: I am Ra. ...... However, we then felt the great responsibility of staying in the capacity of removing the distortions and powers that had been given to the Law of One. We will continue in this until your, shall we say, cycle is appropriately ended. If not this one, then the next. We are not a part of time and, thus, are able to be with you in any of your times. ....../

(TLDR:Ra's purpose)Do you not feel the benevolent intent and commitment in this statement? This is not something that could be faked. And in my opinion your understanding of this intent should surpass all the details every time you get into this material. Everything else will be easy.

(TLDR:it has affected me positively)So in essence, it has made me feel secure, with the knowledge that there's an extremely harmonious spiritual world beyond watching over us that if you ask for help, help will be given and that there are wanderers around us. The security is not total, but considering the shxtstorm we're in it's as good as it gets.

//How seriously do you take the Law of One into consideration in your daily life? Furthermore, can you note any keen or key changes in yourself since discovering the Law of One? Have you changed from who you were from since believing in the Law of One?// you ask.

There isn't much to believe, for me. I had a very deep feeling that this(whatever is conveyed in this material) is the only plausible reality of the the world I was living in, there can not be any other way, or I will be truly screwed. And the material(thanks to the team and Mr. Wheelock) serves as proof. It's about confirmation. It enfluences me on how I presume how things truly work. And thus I have changed from a state of mental oblivion to become more self-centered, self-reliant in a world full of fear, pride and self-will.

This is what I think I can do to help. Now you can turn me over(I'm done).

[Minyatur]

I don't want to be an adept the way everyone here thinks of an adept.  The only adeptness I want is to live the day to day magic of just being, no ritual, no rapid polarization, no work in consciousness.  Just seeing Creator, Love, and Infinity in everything.  Nothing more, nothing less, from that point I'll figure it out if I want there to be more or less.

Well I think that's really what adepthood is all about, and that's also what the Ra material puts the emphasis upon, just like it is what they said they were the messengers of.

What you described above is the essence of of being. The only reason the material speaks of polarity is because it is a natural aspect of what you are and which is ever present in you. The archetypes are tools to find stability in the chaos of life, to see the patterns through situations. Maybe the tarot wasn't what you needed and something like astrology could do? In astrology I think are the keys to understand the ways of feeling manifest through people, then it is hard to hold anything against anyone because you see the forces at play and their weight. Little of our body is how we think of our body, the universe is our body and the personality of each mirrors a play of its essences.

Is it that I just care too much? What's going on here?

I think it's just that you don't want to release the way you feel about certain things. Each is drawn to what they are drawn and the idea that free will is paramount is not a fancy idea to act good but a very profound aspect of reality.

The hell you found mirrors your seeking more than the material and even if the material wasn't there, there are many other sources of light to achieve the same energetic states.

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

You're probably right about my holding onto feelings.  It's weird but the Ra Material gave me a profound appreciation for feelings.  It's why I'm so perplexed by the heavier ones.

I do not think the hell I found is adequately stated by you though.  In a way, I understood the material in a much darker way that others seem to just...Not connect with.  I pieced it together somewhat differently, and overall was ruled by my distress at the level of detachment, indifference, apathy, and almost emotionless cold deep examples of the loss of love(d ones) that I was going through.

I don't handle emotional stress well anymore, it's like my aquity to people's emotions and thoughts was magnified x3, x5, x10, and my usual calmness has been replaced with an advanced self awareness versus my once lacking self awareness.

In many ways it was all just an increase in my sensitivity to things being taken and multiplied, suddenly its all too intense to handle, and worst of all, it might all just be in my mind.

I cared about people's misery, that got magnified until I was freaking out over their misery.  Hatred is a form of Love, and I found in it that its source and fuel was my compassion at how deeply disturbed and saddened I felt at all of the suffering that was so clear and sharp to me then.

It's really a fascinating look into how one might change in a state of altered consciousness.

Thanks Kundalini~

And I guess I don't want to be seen as an adept because I attach a very painful experience to that title.  I'd rather just be a monk.

[loostudent]

How seriously do you take the Law of One into consideration in your daily life?

Furthermore, can you note any keen or key changes in yourself since discovering the Law of One?  Have you changed from who you were from since believing in the Law of One?

I was a spiritual seeker already before I discovered the Law of One. I believe in One (rather than Law of One). There was no fundamental change (at least on the conscious level) but it reminded me greatly to be more aware of spiritual realm and the heart of life, knowing the self ...

It also made cleare to me how on spiritual path experience with others is just as precious as retreat in silence, meditation and prayer.

Maybe I pay more attention to balance - mind/body/spirit, solitary/social experience ...

What changed in my views is the serious possibility of reincarnation although I don't know if I really understand this. According to LOO not only body but also much of personality is dust in the wind. After death much is lost. It is as if I'm vanished and someone else enters my next incarnation. I don't know if I can accept such impermanent existence of self and how would this effect my daily life.

When you are an unconditional lover surrounded by earthlings, it affects you deeply how ignorance can cause so much damage.

Thank you CA for revealing your pain and trouble. I sympathize with you and I often feel the same. Getting closer to light also sharpens the shadows. It's difficult to see this as opportunity/invitation for more light and growth. I think it's good to let out your frustation, pick yourself up and go forward. You are not alone in this. Everyone has help and guidance. I experience this as a day of sudden lightness, comfort and radiation after some bad days (when I tried to find love in the moment without success and saw everythnig as fighting with windmills). As Jesus said: "Blessed are those who mourn: for they will be comforted" and "I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever."

"A tree is known by it's fruit." When you are alone or the invironment is only peacefull and friendly you cannot know for shure if you love unconditionally. You can't know how patient you are if no one is doing you the service of ignoring you or irritating you.

"But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Jesus)

[Coordinate_Apotheosis]

I'll going to defer for a moment to ask for further explanation so I understand better what is being said.

Truth is I don't understand the synonymous relationship to Law of One material that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit can represent.

Would anyone please fill me in?

The quotes of Jesus resonate with me a lot but I struggle making sense of many of them when speak of these trinity parts come up.