No Purpose

[AnthroHeart]

I feel that we are here for no real purpose. You could say we share our love and light with the world. But I don't believe that's a purpose. I think we are without purpose, and here to simply experience. There is no right or wrong.

We are here because we want the limitation. Things come so easily for us in other dimensions of being, that we wanted a challenge. And Earth provides the most difficult challenge, with the most limitation. My freedom is only illusory.

We are here to experience an illusion. There is no purpose that guides me. I'm not here to make my good deeds outnumber my bad deeds. I used to think I had a mission. Life was hard then. It takes a burden off, not having to amount to anything in particular.

We are here to learn through our limitation. Experience what cannot be experienced on the other side (that being Infinity). Inside this world we have illusion. Outside this world we have infinity. Infinity is where we see God. I am no longer worried about harvest. I am no longer worried about living a worthy life. And I do not worry about the future. Now how long this lasts will be up to me. I may soon forget what I have written.

Look forward to hearing your comments.

[Adonai One]

Agreed.

[third-density-being]

Hello

I feel that we are here for no real purpose. You could say we share our love and light with the world. But I don't believe that's a purpose. I think we are without purpose, and here to simply experience. There is no right or wrong.

We are here because we want the limitation. Things come so easily for us in other dimensions of being, that we wanted a challenge. And Earth provides the most difficult challenge, with the most limitation. My freedom is only illusory.

We are here to experience an illusion. There is no purpose that guides me. I'm not here to make my good deeds outnumber my bad deeds. I used to think I had a mission. Life was hard then. It takes a burden off, not having to amount to anything in particular.

We are here to learn through our limitation. Experience what cannot be experienced on the other side (that being Infinity). Inside this world we have illusion. Outside this world we have infinity. Infinity is where we see God. I am no longer worried about harvest. I am no longer worried about living a worthy life. And I do not worry about the future. Now how long this lasts will be up to me. I may soon forget what I have written.

Look forward to hearing your comments.

I'm Glad You're without worry and in no way I would like to change that.

In my opinion "experience" is a "vessel" for Understanding and Growth. Those are really only words/labels and I cannot explain in more details what that might be. But it's not without meaning how You shape your existence. There's very important aspect of Being-ness, which differentiate choices - an Identity. You are literally building your Self.

It strikes me Greatly, how nature of reality is described. Even though Our reality is an Illusion, it is absolutely valid - We are making it such - We are Its co-Creators. Mass Consciousness of all Beings present in this particular reality Create and Sustain It in very active way - It is constructed in each moment. Synchronous change in such mass Consciousness may literally re-shape physical reality in very perceivable manner for Us - re-shaping will be undergoing Our main field of senses-focus in this three-dimensional existence - matter and its properties.
There are great consequences to above. All that We perceive/understand as "that what is" - all that is within Us - Our Whole-Selves/Souls. I simply cannot imagine statement, that space is a mental event. I can only try to harness direction in which this sentence is pointing my understanding, and try to use it as I'm working with my Consciousness. Same goes for what We perceive as time. "Flow of time" is nothing more than watching/experiencing Self in intervals - its a tuning of Consciousness - not any "outside" property/event.
Again, consequences of this are tremendous. Everything that We are perceiving may be considered as Self. Even in this reality We are existing within Our-Selves and Our Whole-Self/Soul is working with Its main attribute - Consciousness. Our existence is one of infinite outcomes of such Work. Each existence is valid as Our own. Nothing is lost, everything is/becoming as Identity of Whole-Self/Soul.

Therefore "to experience" is one end - another end is You, One that is experiencing. If You were - pardon for this comparison - "a whole that welcome everything", there would be no "experience" in first place. Experience is your attitude toward that what and how You are perceiving/understanding. You are literally creating experience as You react to/at the perceived stimulus. In that way We add Greatly to the "quality of the experience" We "are having".

In that way your freedom is in no way illusory. You are actively choosing shape/quality/property of your own Experience.


Take Good Care, Dear Gemini Wolf

[isis]

"...without purpose, we would not exist. It is purpose that created us. Purpose that connects us. Purpose that pulls us. That guides us. That drives us. It is purpose that defines us. Purpose that binds us."

"Every single thing that happens to you is preparing you for a moment that is yet to come."

[Adonai One]

Being destroyed by an eternal void at the end of the universe? Sounds like negative philosophy, isis, especially from Agent Smith who tried to destroy Zion.

What about the present moment that is without an attachment to a higher cause, a purpose but is simply everything?

[isis]

I think we are without purpose, and here to simply experience.

i think we are with many purposes & the main purpose is to experience

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Keymaker: We do only what we're meant to do.

[Raz]

We can observe life and describe what we see
just don't confuse the description with reality

[Unbound]

I planned my own life, so I do have purpose that I am well aware of but I am sure not every entity is as meticulous as I.

[Jade]

65.12 ↥ Questioner: Then each of the Wanderers here acts as a function of the biases he has developed in any way he sees fit to communicate or simply be in his polarity to aid the total consciousness of the planet. Is there any, shall I say, more physical way that he aids in— what I mean is, do the vibrations somehow add, just as electrical polarity or charging a battery or something? Does that also aid the planet, just the physical presence of the Wanderers?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct and the mechanism is precisely as you state. We intended this meaning in the second portion of our previous answer.

You may, at this time, note that as with any entities, each Wanderer has its unique abilities, biases, and specialties so that from each portion of each density represented among the Wanderers comes an array of pre-incarnative talents which then may be expressed upon this plane which you now experience so that each Wanderer, in offering itself before incarnation, has some special service to offer in addition to the doubling effect of planetary love and light and the basic function of serving as beacon or shepherd.

Thus there are those of fifth density whose abilities to express wisdom are great. There are fourth- and sixth-density Wanderers whose ability to serve as, shall we say, passive radiators or broadcasters of love and love/light are immense. There are many others whose talents brought into this density are quite varied.

Thus Wanderers have three basic functions once the forgetting is penetrated, the first two being basic, the tertiary one being unique to that particular mind/body/spirit complex.

We may note at this point while you ponder the possibility/probability vortices that although you have many, many items which cause distress and thus offer seeking and service opportunities, there is always one container in that store of peace, love, light, and joy. This vortex may be very small, but to turn one’s back upon it is to forget the infinite possibilities of the present moment. Could your planet polarize towards harmony in one fine, strong moment of inspiration? Yes, my friends. It is not probable; but it is ever possible.

Gem, I've always gotten the "passive radiator of love/light" vibe from you. (maybe because it takes one to know one ) I'm glad you can see and accept that and now can hopefully relax more into your "non-role". The greatest service is to truly be oneself and when you are happy and relaxed you are the picture of acceptance and radiance.

I think a lot of "passive radiators" hitch themselves to souls who need our help the most (and why you put up with your mother with the patience that you do).

[Rake]

I just closed my window after typing waaa...

Anyway I know part of my purpose for incarnating in regards to my self and others.

Why else would you be here? if there was no reason.

Jade just said exactly what I wanted too in a much greater, simplified and concise manner. S

o congrats Jade you get a like and a gold star.

[Jade]

Ahaha thanks Rake, see, sometimes service is a surprise.

[Confused]

I feel that we are here for no real purpose. You could say we share our love and light with the world. But I don't believe that's a purpose. I think we are without purpose, and here to simply experience. There is no right or wrong.

We are here because we want the limitation. Things come so easily for us in other dimensions of being, that we wanted a challenge. And Earth provides the most difficult challenge, with the most limitation. My freedom is only illusory.

We are here to experience an illusion. There is no purpose that guides me. I'm not here to make my good deeds outnumber my bad deeds. I used to think I had a mission. Life was hard then. It takes a burden off, not having to amount to anything in particular.

We are here to learn through our limitation. Experience what cannot be experienced on the other side (that being Infinity). Inside this world we have illusion. Outside this world we have infinity. Infinity is where we see God. I am no longer worried about harvest. I am no longer worried about living a worthy life. And I do not worry about the future. Now how long this lasts will be up to me. I may soon forget what I have written.

Look forward to hearing your comments.

Somehow, GW, your write-up reads like a bout of epiphany. Thank you. It provides much grist for spiritual thought and contemplation.

Like many others, I suppose, I too am deeply tired of this elaborate illusion and design for evolution. It is extremely vexing to know that the 'gods' went to extreme lengths to put as much separation and limitation on entities as possible, and then turn around and say that 'here now, go forward and seek diligently the truth of oneness'.

83.10 Questioner: Was there any uniformity or like functions of societies or social organizations prior to the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. The third density is, by its very fiber, a societal one. There are societies wherever there are entities conscious of the self and conscious of other-selves and possessed with intelligence adequate to process information indicating the benefits of communal blending of energies. The structures of society before as after veiling were various. However, the societies before veiling did not depend in any case upon the intentional enslavement of some for the benefit of others, this not being seen to be a possibility when all are seen as one. There was, however, the requisite amount of disharmony to produce various experiments in what you may call governmental or societal structures.

The apparent fact that in order for the Creator (whatever it is) to have more excitement in terms of simulated experience, more and more vividness was incorporated, makes me feel deeply vexed. The mind was made complex and the body, too. This meant that we lost the ability to take voluntary control of the stimulus of pain.

83.20 Questioner: Would you give me an example of a complex activity of the body that we have now and how it was not complex prior to the veil?

Ra: I am Ra. Prior to the great experiment a mind/body/spirit was capable of controlling the pressure of blood in the vein, the beating of the organ you call the heart, the intensity of the sensation known to you as pain, and all the functions now understood to be involuntary or unconscious.

In other words, the veil deliberately allowed intensification of so many sensory experiences and limitations in order to precisely make us lose connection with the sense of oneness with all (imho). And then, viola, the 'gods' flip around and say that we have to seek oneness. Well, hello, you folks made it deliberately difficult in the first place

It is really laughable if not for the tragedy that has unfolded since. How many atrocities have we seen on this planet, alone, because of the pain of hunger that entities undergo when the biological need for food is not met (like for example orphaned or helpless children)? The whole array of atrocities that followed due to the great 'experiment' of veiling is so innumerable that only a simplistic illustration can be made to get the point across. Tired, deeply tired.

Before the veiling, we knew every catalyst to be the this (shaded portion) --

94.22 ↥ Questioner: Then prior to the veiling process that which we call catalyst after the veiling was not catalyst simply because it was not efficiently creating polarity, because this loading process, you might say, that I have diagrammed, of catalyst passing through the veil and becoming polarized experience, was not in effect because the viewing of what we call catalyst by the entity was seen much more clearly as simply an experience of the One Creator and not something that was a function of other mind/body/spirit complexes. Would Ra comment on that statement?

Ra: I am Ra. The concepts discussed seem without significant distortion.

Precisely to weaken that aspect, it looks like the illusion of separation was strengthened through a thick veiling process for this (shaded portion) --

78.20 ↥ Questioner: Then our particular Logos, when it created Its own particular creation, was at some point far down the evolutionary spiral of the experiment with the significator becoming what it was not or in effect, creating the polarity that we strive for in third density, and, therefore was, I am assuming, primarily concerned in the design of the archetypes, in designing them in such a way so as they would create the acceleration of this polarization. Is this in any way correct?

Ra: I am Ra. We would only comment briefly. It is generally correct. You may fruitfully view each Logos and its design as the Creator experiencing Itself. The seed concept of the significator being a complex introduces two things: firstly, the Creator against Creator in one sub-Logos in what you may call dynamic tension; secondly, the concept of free will, once having been made fuller by its extension into the sub-Logoi known as mind/body/spirit complexes, creates and re-creates and continues to create as a function of its very nature.

In other words, the entire game may seem meaningless and purposeless for us. However, it looks like, to me, that we are like the gladiators in the ring, who will fight and gore each other, for the amusement of the high lords who are seated on the platform and for the audience. I am sort of appalled by the thought that we are like ants in the vivarium for the ONE, to observe and learn as to how infinite entities react to an infinite array of possibilities and scenarios. Indeed my life seems to have purpose--to serve or offer the ONE with experiences, whether I like it or not; or am consciously aware of it or not.

[Unbound]

Is it not that we are the One watching ourselves? Instead of asking, "Why did they do this?" isn't the question, "Why did I do this?"

[Adonai One]

The entire Creation, a planet can be destroyed in a moment. Purpose is an optional concept and can be destroyed in a moment.

I have destroyed purpose within myself. I embrace only the void to become all purposes and thus none at all.

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Nothing is sacred. Everything is up for removal at any moment. It's all impermanent but is always the same nonetheless. Every attachment, "purpose" we have will fade, even the concept of purpose itself, as every star will supernova and every galaxy will dissipate into the great cosmos.

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Is it not that we are the One watching ourselves? Instead of asking, "Why did they do this?" isn't the question, "Why did I do this?"

There are no questions. There is just is and seeing any number of potentials playing out, the why in the end being "just because." And the potentials condensing into stars to play out further distortions for the sake of such alone.

There is no purpose even in this. It's all on auto-play. It all condenses into a void in the end and starts anew, and maybe without the concept of purpose.

[AnthroHeart]

Having no purpose doesn't mean we can't set goals for ourselves. I'd like to get as much as I can out of this life, so that I don't have to experience them in another life. I'm gonna be greedy and try to get the catalyst out of the way.

[Adonai One]

That's called making the universe work for you, Gemini, and not the other way around. You are the creator after all.

[AnthroHeart]

They say be careful what you wish for.
*car accident*
That's not what I meant.

[vervex]

Beautiful post Gemini Wolf, I couldn't agree more

It is my understanding that purpose is a highly subjective concept. It can serve for self-analysis and giving oneself a direction. Every time you set your eyes on something you desire and wish to make it come true, you are using purpose to bring your idea to fruition. That being said, I have encountered in my life several people who get caught up in purpose to the extent they become greatly attached to it, going as far as defining their whole existence by it. I will generalize and say that most of the time it is in an attempt to structure their life that they pursue a transcendental mission to elevate the self. Otherwise, alone with themselves they find themselves directionless. Confused and filled with sudden despair, partially unable to cope with meaninglessness, they seek a higher meaning, in some cases an absolute meaning. Words like "graduation", "harvest", "ascending", "god's plan" and "life is a college" indicate a hierarchy, a concept which can only come from an awareness of belief (aka. meaning, significance, purpose) and the application such concepts in one's life, usually quite rigidly.

I believe one can get the best out of purpose once they come to the realization that meaning is subjective. Their mind then opens up to alternatives as well as to changing route when the path they previously followed is not seen as optimal anymore. In other words, purpose can be a great tool, but it can also be a prison for the mind when used too firmly, inflexibly.

[Stranger]

In other words, the entire game may seem meaningless and purposeless for us. However, it looks like, to me, that we are like the gladiators in the ring, who will fight and gore each other, for the amusement of the high lords who are seated on the platform and for the audience. I am sort of appalled by the thought that we are like ants in the vivarium for the ONE, to observe and learn as to how infinite entities react to an infinite array of possibilities and scenarios. Indeed my life seems to have purpose--to serve or offer the ONE with experiences, whether I like it or not; or am consciously aware of it or not.

Confused, there is lots of bitterness in your post which is understandable if one looks at the world from within the illusion, and sees all the suffering you mention.

The main point that I would like to make to you is that you are not you. You are God (the Logos). You were never you because you have always been God. You are never separate from God and never have been, because that is impossible. Your consciousness is God's consciousness.

Everything that you consider to be "you" is actually just an agglomeration of concepts about yourself, which are all false because they ignore the fact that your identity has no existence at all without God's consciousness being present to believe in those concepts, in the same way that a book is a thing that has no life until someone picks it up and reads it and thereby experiences it.

The truth as I understand it is that God can do whatever he well pleases with himself. This includes imagining and acting out the role of a limited being who believes he or she is alone, isolated and left to fend for him- or her-self in a difficult world. In the same exact way that you have the right to launch a video game on your computer and take on a character experiencing all sort of difficulties. Now make that video game fully immersive, so that you begin to think that you are that character, and begin to feel everything that character would be feeling if the game were real. Which it's not - neither for you, nor for your video game self. But you would have an exact analog to what it means to be God playing a character calling itself Confused on this message board.

Now let's put the veil in place. Now on one level you are fully persuaded that you are the character. On another level, you know that is only an illusion, and remember the true state of things - that it's just a game you are enjoying at this moment.

Ultimately, no one is ever harmed, everyone wins the game, and the entire existence including all of Creation dwells in an ultimate reality of absolute bliss, momentarily forgotten by us but ever within our reach, because it is our ever-present nature.

Thank you for your post!

[AnthroHeart]

Thanks Stranger, your post resonates with me too. I sometimes forget that I am the Logos (stepped-down a few creation levels). And I can create the Universe how I desire. It is hard to do this consciously.

And I am sorry for the earlier experimentations that made many beings unviable. On this side of the veil, it's hard to see that the veil was a good idea. Separation is almost painful, and the Logos shouldn't have to suffer. But the Logos does suffer.

[Confused]

Confused, there is lots of bitterness in your post which is understandable if one looks at the world from within the illusion, and sees all the suffering you mention.

The main point that I would like to make to you is that you are not you. You are God (the Logos). You were never you because you have always been God. You are never separate from God and never have been, because that is impossible. Your consciousness is God's consciousness.

Everything that you consider to be "you" is actually just an agglomeration of concepts about yourself, which are all false because they ignore the fact that your identity has no existence at all without God's consciousness being present to believe in those concepts, in the same way that a book is a thing that has no life until someone picks it up and reads it and thereby experiences it.

The truth as I understand it is that God can do whatever he well pleases with himself. This includes imagining and acting out the role of a limited being who believes he or she is alone, isolated and left to fend for him- or her-self in a difficult world. In the same exact way that you have the right to launch a video game on your computer and take on a character experiencing all sort of difficulties. Now make that video game fully immersive, so that you begin to think that you are that character, and begin to feel everything that character would be feeling if the game were real. Which it's not - neither for you, nor for your video game self. But you would have an exact analog to what it means to be God playing a character calling itself Confused on this message board.

Ultimately, no one is ever harmed, everyone wins the game, and the entire existence including all of Creation dwells in an ultimate reality of absolute bliss, momentarily forgotten by us but ever within our reach, because it is our ever-present nature.

Thank you for your post!

Thank you, Stranger, for responding back with an understanding post. I agree with the general import of your message. My only contention is that if indeed the sole purpose of the infinite creation is for the ONE to learn from itself, then it is my solemn duty to relay the deepest and most authentic thoughts (or subjective lessons) of mine, distilled from my experiences, back to the ONE. Of course, it does not excuse the general mistakes and errors that I do, for which neither the ONE nor anybody else can be held responsible for.

Also, we, each one of us, are legitimate and important stakeholders in the evolution of the creation. So much so that the LOO indicates that we have an almost parental responsibility.

65.17 ↥ Questioner: Then we deal with an entity that has not yet formed a social memory but is yet an entity just as one of us can be called a single entity. Can we continue this observation of the, shall I say, conglomerate entity through the galactic entity, or shall I say, small planetary system type of— Let me try to phrase it this way. Could I look at a single sun in its planetary system as an entity and then look at a major galaxy with its billions of stars as an entity? Can I continue this extrapolation in this way?

Ra: I am Ra. You can but not within the framework of third-density space/time.

Let us attempt to speak upon this interesting subject. In your space/time you and your peoples are the parents of that which is in the womb. The Earth, as you call it, is ready to be born and the delivery is not going smoothly. When this entity has become born it will be instinct with the social memory complex of its parents which have become fourth-density positive. In this density there is a broader view.

You may begin to see your relationship to the Logos or sun with which you are most intimately associated. This is not the relationship of parent to child but of Creator, that is Logos, to Creator that is the mind/body/spirit complex, as Logos. When this realization occurs you may then widen the field of “eyeshot,” if you will, infinitely recognizing parts of the Logos throughout the one infinite creation and feeling, with the roots of Mind informing the intuition, the parents aiding their planets in evolution in reaches vast and unknown in the creation, for this process occurs many, many times in the evolution of the creation as an whole.

It is a very strange twist to imagine that while I consider the ONE as my parent, it could very well be that the ONE considers each and everyone of us as parents of its infinite creation, in the localized capacities that we hold. That for me, is a staggering thought. Thus, just as a parent has to discipline its child and highlight the shortcomings when needed, so do I, in my understanding, have a responsibility to speak truth (as subjective as it may be), as I see it, to the ONE. I could be wrong, but to not stand up before the ONE and wrestle with it mentally and spiritually for what I feel is the bottom line 'truth' of a situation would be a complete turning away from my authentic self, in my opinion.

Indeed, there is deep bitterness in my post. That is my authentic inner emotion, currently. However, behind that bitterness, lies a strange and placid kind of acceptance. I do what I do with the most sincere humility and behind my deep frustration, lies profound compassion for all and for my own self.

Much love to you.

[Stranger]

Confused,

The bitterness you feel is an expression of your compassionate and caring nature. I know it's authentic because I've been exactly where you are, and for a very long time. At one point I began to build my relationship with God, and decided that I was going to trust Him - to accept on faith that He loved each and every one of His children, and to believe all the messages that have come down from so many sources across the ages, repeatedly, that "All is well, and all shall be well, and all manner of thing shall be well”; and "“God loved us before he made us; and his love has never diminished and never shall.” I knew that my perspective of Creation from the point of view of a 3d entity was very limited and incomplete, so I chose to reserve judgment.

You are absolutely entitled to feel the way you do - it is a valued perspective; in fact, your beingness is precisely the answer to the question God asked when He chose to create you: "What would it be like to become an entity with these particular and unique attributes? What would I do, think and feel if I believed I was such an entity? What would I contribute to my creation if I believed that I was who he appears to be, rather than myself?" For this reason, the veil was introduced.

You are each asked to live with one foot in the illusion and one foot in ultimate reality. You straddle a threshold like actors in a play. You play a role here. And, like actors, you must play that role as if it matters. You must involve yourself in the illusion if there is to be learning, otherwise you might as well not have chosen incarnation; and yet, there still must be awareness. Just as the actor must have awareness that he plays to an audience so as not to turn his back on that audience, not to muffle his speech, so you must maintain awareness of your true Self while performing the myriad functions of the human personality.

As you can see from the above quote from a higher-density being, as one's understanding of reality grows beyond the confines of 3rd density fog, it can even become a challenge to take the illusion seriously. Just as it requires constant mindfulness for us not get mired in the 3d illusion and always remember that things are not as they seem, in higher densities it seems that some mindful effort is necessary to continue taking the illusion seriously because of the direct awareness of the ultimate peace and bliss that all of existence dwells upon. You are not as you seem. The world is not as it seems. How would we see it if our eyes were truly open? We don't know in 3d, but we are given hints such as these.

The central distortion in your perspective is that of being a puppet for someone's amusement. Know that you were created by Love, in Love, and you are always loved absolutely and without qualification. This message for you came to me already last night as I was thinking about you. The entire project of Creation is one of love and joyful play of colors and shapes, and that is the truth. The suffering of others is catalyst for you - for all of us - and it is your choice whether to transform it within yourself into an impetus to love those who suffer, to grow in love and spiritual understanding yourself so you can help them and guide them, or to rage, resent and distance yourself from the rest of the Creation because it is so overwhelming. But you will still be the Creator and you will still be loved whatever you choose.

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One more thing, and it's vital: it's impossible to love those who suffer and at the same time resent the Creator, because those who suffer ARE the Creator. The entire premise of that approach is founded on a giant misunderstanding of the nature of reality.

[AnthroHeart]

I'm surprised that the Creation is not too much for the Creator to bear.

[Unbound]

The Creation is the Creator, and the Creator completely accepts itself.

[manniz]

Beautiful post Gemini Wolf, I couldn't agree more

Vervex, you write very well. So much patient love behind your words.

And yes, Gemini this was a nice post by you. Experience is often underestimated by spiritual seekers. It teaches us in silence, whether we worry about catalyst or not.

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My only contention is that if indeed the sole purpose of the infinite creation is for the ONE to learn from itself, then it is my solemn duty to relay the deepest and most authentic thoughts (or subjective lessons) of mine, distilled from my experiences, back to the ONE.
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Indeed, there is deep bitterness in my post. That is my authentic inner emotion, currently. However, behind that bitterness, lies a strange and placid kind of acceptance. I do what I do with the most sincere humility and behind my deep frustration, lies profound compassion for all and for my own self.

Much love to you.

Confused, that was brutally honest, as it should be.

[Confused]

Confused,

The bitterness you feel is an expression of your compassionate and caring nature. I know it's authentic because I've been exactly where you are, and for a very long time. [...]

[...] The entire premise of that approach is founded on a giant misunderstanding of the nature of reality.

Such a beautiful post, Stranger, and I do not know how really to thank you for making it. Yet, thank you, for giving a thought for me. I accept that kind gesture of love from you with much gratitude.

Stranger, I agree with the fact that it is up to me to transmute the catalysts through the furnace of my honed personal mental attitude. I can either adopt the posture of acceptance and spiritual understanding, as you have put it; or rage and resent while separating myself from the rest of creation. In essence, that is a very apt summary of the Choice, with respect to STO and STS, in my subjective understanding.

Yet, for me, it is important not to be totally caught up with the sacrosanctness of the concept of oneness, as laid out by Ra in the LOO, for it can color my deepest feelings. Just as politicians across the world can invoke the concept of 'national interests or security' to execute the most self-serving of actions and stymie legitimate scrutiny or criticism, I feel that blocking or withholding of any criticism of the ONE due to the holy cow nature of the concept of oneness (as taught in the LOO) is a great disservice to all of creation. If the ONE indeed wants to learn (like the LOO apparently states), there is going to be some candid broadsides coming along, for learning is an act of discomfort, in general, as it involves progressive peeling away in the journey towards the core of a topic, imho.

In the process of evolution, there is way too much pain involved, in my opinion, especially for entities that are blindsided with respect to knowledge about rarefied spiritual concepts. Perhaps it is too much of an unwarranted presumption from my side and probably it harks back to the following observation from Ra (shaded) --

62.20 ↥ Questioner: What is the objective; what does the, shall we say, the leader, the one at the very top of the pecking order in fifth-density Orion, have as an objective? I would like to understand his philosophy with respect to his objectives and plans for what we might call the future or his future?

Ra: I am Ra. This thinking will not be so strange to you. Therefore, we may speak through the densities as your planet has some negatively oriented action in sway at this space/time nexus.

The early fifth-density negative entity, if oriented towards maintaining cohesion as a social memory complex, may in its free will determine that the path to wisdom lies in the manipulation in exquisite propriety of all other-selves. It then, by virtue of its abilities in wisdom, is able to be the leader of fourth-density beings which are upon the road to wisdom by exploring the dimensions of love of self and understanding of self. These fifth-density entities see the creation as that which shall be put in order.

Dealing with a plane such as this third density at this harvesting, it will see the mechanism of the call more clearly and have much less distortion towards plunder or manipulation by thoughts which are given to negatively oriented entities although in allowing this to occur and sending less wise entities to do this work, any successes redound to the leaders.

The fifth density sees the difficulties posed by the light and in this way directs entities of this vibration to the seeking of targets of opportunity such as this one. If fourth-density temptations, shall we say, towards distortion of ego, etc., are not successful the fifth-density entity then thinks in terms of the removal of light.

However, in the course of evolution, there is too much pain and helplessness visited on a great many entities, particularly in the second and third densities, imho. In the higher densities, the veil is removed and the architecture of the creation comes into clear picture, including the ability to control sensations of the physical complex, voluntarily (based on my subjective deductions from the LOO). The overwhelming feeling that I contain, something that you beautifully characterized as a 'puppet for someone's amusement', is deeply ingrained now in me. It feels deeply unfair for me that 'I' get do all the work and suffer multiple experiences (of course there are good ones), and it is the ONE who gets to ride the benefits without undergoing any labor. In other words, the pain and the effort is mine, and the wages of that go to the ONE. It seems unfair.

In my personal dictionary, there is a word for making someone else suffer, unwittingly, for your profit or pleasure, and that Stranger, is the simple word called 'abuse'. I know it is a very tall allegation, and may be preposterous. However, that is my most honest feedback to the ONE, in terms of the landscape of creation as laid out by the LOO. My feedback to the ONE is to stop a system of abuse for the generation of experiences for the ONE to digest and learn from. If it is not possible to do so with the current set of infinite creations, at least, please, O ONE, profit from the lessons gained from this set in terms of not spawning a system that develops a systematically codified structure of abuse.

I may be completely wrong, Stranger. I am just presenting my thoughts, as it is known to me, currently. Tomorrow, the universe may open up some of her more pristine secrets to me, and my opinions may change or reverse. Yet, for the moment, I feel there is much too 'abuse', as I put it, involved in the way the process of evolution is run for the profit of the ONE. That, Stranger, is my direct distilled wisdom or lesson from my personal experiences that I channel to the ONE.

Much love, once again, dear Stranger.

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Confused, that was brutally honest, as it should be.

Thank you so much for the encouragement, manniz.

[manniz]

Confused, I really liked these ideas that you are talking about, because the spiritual seekers' world generally ignores them. That is why I was late in taking interest in spiritual seeking, because it just did not seem right that all the spiritual messages would talk about was idealistic love, yet there was so much pain down here on the ground. it was only Ra material that finally prvided me a more practical basis to understand whats going on.

I remember reading about torture when I was really young, and it just seemed unbeleivable to me that ONE unity would let some of that dark stuff happen to anyone it truly loved. I kow lots of spiritual people would say that perhaps that torture was karma, part of the victims' paticular spiritual paths, but I would disagree. On researching a couple of insurgencies, where I had a better cultural perspective to understand the victims, I found out that quite often, when governments/militants torture they end up targeting perfectly innocent, loving people. I have seen videos and testimonies of victims, where every ounce of my understanding told me that some totally innocent, loving people have undergone darkness beyond what most of us can imagine. No way some of those amazingly loving people programmed that hell for themselves. Ra itself says that due to heavy veil, lots of unexpected things have happened. Pre-planned spiritual paths have been deviated. Accidents have happened. There may not be any accidents from the highest perspective (mid sixth density and above), but for sure there are missteps and accidents in the third density, where loving people have been caught in the whirlwind of torture and humiliation.

So, I was initially apprehensive about all the lovey-dovey spiritual messages, when they rarely talked about the practical causes and implications of degrading poverty, pain, torture etc. Now that I have a better understanding, I still beleive that from a practical perspective, spiritual messages do not really address the world of pain and unfairness. So, I appreciate your kind of honest thinking (Unity100 used to address these topics excellently in the past).

I do have lots of hope and spiritual udnerstanding now, and I agree that not only it is our duty to give accurate data from here in thrid density, but at the highest levels (ONE), they are counting on our experience to figure out at what point darkness has taken over free will so comrehensively that there is no point to life. It is imperative of us commoners, especially those, who are of higher vibration to relate the experience back to creation, back to our higher selves as honestly as possible. It is imperative for us to ask questions. Free will is supposed to be amongst the highest of high principles of this creation. So, if we do not ask questions, how are we going to let the free will bloom in full health. Love is important, but so is free will. if it was all just about love, there was no need of veils. there was plenty of lvoe to go around before that. Infact, it was only love. No substantial darkness. ONE wanted more, and the creation responded with veils, wars, torture, destruction of whole planets. So, now creation has to give its honest feedback. That is why experience is so important. If honest, lovign souls are jaded so be it. if honest, lovign souls see no purpose to life, so be it. If free, loving souls see no worth, no respect in life, so be it.

One is life. Life is One. Without One, there is no life. One creates life, gives it meaning, gives it creation to experience. Now, if we as infinite creators start seeing that life has no meaning, and it is simply not worth it, then One, who is life itself, will understand our situtation and guide this infinite cycle appropriately. (Btw, I do not focus much on synchronicites, but I have this Byron Metcalf - Earth Om song that just started playing. Everytime I hear it, I get this idea that infinite creator loves questions, loves challenges.)

Now, creation has to respond to our experiences. That is what freedom and love are all about. It has done it before in infinite cycles, and it will do it again.

I understand others' desire to focus only on love, which is very important in its own right, but relaying back the ground reality is also very important to the hgihest levels. They have created a system, which we call creation, and without honest feedback, the system will not be able to understand how far is far enough. I am sure that higher densities have sent some volunteers to simply be, just to experience. To experience how darkness affects life in thid heavily veilved thrid density. Keep in mind that Ra very clearly said that many consequences of heavy veil had not even been imagined before. So, something that was not even imagined before, will not be proeprly understood without brutally honest experiences. Maybe that is what a few of the volunteers came here for.



ps: I will add some mythical tales, if someone is interested. In one tale - In distant past, heavens had figured out perfect love and enjoyment, and spent their time in bliss. They were strong against darkness, and had nothing to worry about, other than enjoy their experiences and love. Darkness kept its world secret, and kept on building its methods patiently. Then, at one sudden, grand moment, it sprung upon the heavens, using its mind, its intelligence, and its deep ruthlessness to take over the bliss.
There were wails and cries in the heavens, but it was too late. At that moment, the Gods of heavens pleaded to the ONE asking why had they been taken over by darkness, inspite of their intense love. ONE responded that if you truly loved this creation, you would have understood it too. You would have understood the darkness, instead of ignoring it. True love needs understanding.
By providing honest feedbalc from the ground here in this heavily veiled third density, we are providing understanding to the whole of creation.

It may all be an illusion here, but creation takes it very seriously. It may be an illusion, but it is the reality of life. One if life. The creator of life, experiencer of life, maintainer of life. Confused, I just wanted to appreciate your viewpoint, which to me is refreshing, but I have ended up ranting, because of morning burst of enthusiasm.

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In my personal dictionary, there is a word for making someone else suffer, unwittingly, for your profit or pleasure, and that Stranger, is the simple word called 'abuse'. I know it is a very tall allegation, and may be preposterous. However, that is my most honest feedback to the ONE, in terms of the landscape of creation as laid out by the LOO. My feedback to the ONE is to stop a system of abuse for the generation of experiences for the ONE to digest and learn from. If it is not possible to do so with the current set of infinite creations, at least, please, O ONE, profit from the lessons gained from this set in terms of not spawning a system that develops a systematically codified structure of abuse.

Confused, some loving people may find this paragraph harsh, but I find it very realistic, very honest. Those, who are true victims of abuse that has happened on Earth are the only true representatives of their experience. No spiritual principle, no spiritual teaching can wash away their experience. True spirituality will accept their experience, understand it and answer for it.

Though, from a practical perspective, love does help. Love does provide hope, but at its highest levels, love and spirituality have to provide answers and understanding of some of this truly horrific abuse too. And solutions. Obviously, creation wants to exist, and for that it has to keep darkness in limits. Give free will to darkness, but also protect the free will of its victims. No point to life without freedom. Even unconditional love needs freedom to experience, freedom to exist.

[AnthroHeart]

If honest, lovign souls are jaded so be it. if honest, lovign souls see no purpose to life, so be it. If free, loving souls see no worth, no respect in life, so be it.

I've been there.

[Confused]

For the sake of clarity, I would like to state or clarify that when I refer to the ONE, it directly refers to or attempts to represent the principle that Ra called as the 'One Infinite Creator' in the Law of One series. For sake of ease during writing and simplicity, I make use of the shorthand of 'ONE'.

Having said that, one of the enduring mysteries that is paramount in my understanding is the nature of the One Infinite Creator (or ONE). What really explains the ONE? May be I will never know.

True love needs understanding.
By providing honest feedbalc from the ground here in this heavily veiled third density, we are providing understanding to the whole of creation.

It may all be an illusion here, but creation takes it very seriously.

manniz, thank you for saying that. It truly stuck with me. I am thinking of writing a post in terms of exploring the thoughts that you have presented, with the underlying thread of the LOO as context. Thank you, once again, manniz.

[Steppingfeet]

I feel that we are here for no real purpose. You could say we share our love and light with the world. But I don't believe that's a purpose. I think we are without purpose, and here to simply experience. There is no right or wrong.

I think that the concepts of "purpose" and "meaning" have a great deal in common, and perhaps, even, are interchangeable in many contexts.

Victor Frankl was a Jewish prisoner of a Nazi concentration camp who was miraculously able to survive thanks in no small part to a faith that he had a purpose and that there was greater meaning. In his small and heartbreakingly beautiful book, "Man's Search for Meaning" he contends that where people have a why, they can endure any how.

That is to say, when one has a sense of meaning or purpose, that meaning or purpose can, above all things, carry one through circumstances and modes of suffering that otherwise could not be endured.

Confused, I found your thinking as always eloquent and authentic. Indeed I have sometimes shaken my fist at the whole third-density program of evolution sometimes, questioning the intelligence that would design a system which allows so abject and miserable for sentient beings.

But... I also send my mind in this direction:

The nature of a unified universe is that ultimately there is no "us" and "it". According to the mystical view nothing imposed this situation on us. No outside force or intelligence subjugated, deceived, enslaved, or abused we third-density entities. Rather, we and we alone did this. I don't mean our individual soul streams, per se, though our soul's are of course responsible for the path we walk.

Rather, I mean our infinite, one self that is at the beginning, and at the end, and at every seeming point and stage in between. That one self discovered the concept of free will, and manyness, and developed a desire to know itself. That is us. We discovered that concept. We created manyness. We desired to know ourselves. We simultanously conceived, built, and then willingly participated in the whole grand game of illusion and forgetting so that we could... apparently... know our self through interacting with our self in many, many disguises.

No, that intellectual perspective alone doesn't eliminate pain. But it can help chip away at the sense of victimhood that, while certainly valid and, in many ways, justifiable, ultimately dis-empowers the heart that would seek to know its own power.

I do not challenge your viewpoint in the least! Like you excellently said, this is the feedback you have to offer the Creator at this point. It is yours and it is genuine. And it is born of that which you have suffered.

I am simply trying to find my own way through the mazed darkness, and share accordingly.

With love and light,
Gary