I'm Tired

[native]

I will consider it well

[Adonai One]

Here's my perspective on all this: Conflict doesn't exist unless you have attachments and expectations.

There never was disunity. Much love to all of you.

[Unbound]

Does not the heat conflict with the cold? What is conflict but a dance of opposites? No effort can be made without the dance.

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I will consider it well

Blessings to you, my friend.

[Brittany]

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[Brittany]

My last thought on this thread: A parasite will only continue to function so long as it has something to feed on.

[Adonai One]

Does not the heat conflict with the cold? What is conflict but a dance of opposites? No effort can be made without the dance.

There's a reason why I didn't marry in my previous life by choice. I dance with people who can inherently dance with me. I don't change my groove.

[michael430]

Does not the heat conflict with the cold? What is conflict but a dance of opposites? No effort can be made without the dance.

There's a reason why I didn't marry in my previous life by choice. I dance with people who can inherently dance with me. I don't change my groove.

Tough choice to make, no doubt....

Through relationships I've had in this life I have learned that changing my groove in order to learn some new dance moves only makes my groove more universal. Give and take! It's such a more fulfilling way for me to serve.

[Adonai One]

I give and take but I don't sell myself off to the first power that wants me to conform. I give and take with energies I want to give and take with. Freewill and all that.

I've happily left relationships that are irreconcilable as opposed to silently sacrificing and suffering.

[Unbound]

Oh, I found this site with some interesting ideas on egregores.

http://www.servantsofthelight.org/knowle...egore.html

[Parsons]

Oh, I found this site with some interesting ideas on egregores.

http://www.servantsofthelight.org/knowle...egore.html

It is increasingly apparent to those outside the group that any member of it is being influenced to some degree by the pressure of the collective thinking of all linked with it, and unless care is taken , the power of independent thought may be reduced. For many people this is something they actually seek, they may feel inadequate in the everyday world and feel that by being linked in this way, they are protected from against what they see as aggressive tendencies from other people. Or again, they may feel inadequate to deal with new ideas and situations and feel that the Group mind will do their thinking for them, and they will not be in danger of wrong thinking.

Very, very interesting. I have perceived this as well (again I must point out I noticed it BEFORE I was introduced to the concept of an egregore).

Perhaps this discussion deserves a thread to it's own, but are we going to continue to ignore this or are we actually going to try to 'tame' this so called 'ego ogre'?

[Unbound]

How long has it been since the forum (not the physical people but the people on the forum) held a coming together for the purpose of love for nothing but love.

"For X time of Y dates focus on reinforcing forum B4 with the purpose of loving best possible outcome for all participants." and then focus on lovingly being present in the energies of the forum and allowing the self to be used as an instrument to balance the total forum.

How about 10-20 active posters decide for 2-4 days together to remain present in the forum but only in energy and only intentionally towards love to the exclusion of all else and then resume at preferred intervals. See what happens. That or we let this show continue as it is, I Think the probable outomes are a collective showing of force/definition/boundaries followed by several months of people pondering the results of the last conflict and rinse-repeat followed by gradual increase of love/light as lessons are learned. That or we dont focus this forum on learning lessons but being the down area where we come to relax off from the lessons of the physical world. But it depends greatly on how we want to approach this forum.

Is this the place we come back to after a tiring day in the physical / other worlds of magic and where we come to bask in each others humanity while we study this bizzare totality of being. OR do we come here to study this bizzare totality of being while going out there to bask in the humanity.

I suppose these two could be called to be always fighting. BUt then again, its a familiar sound that approachet, this sound of finding the odd man out, the ego's hunt for the ego that causes it the harm. The ogre looking for the reason everyone runs away.

How fitting.

I think we should do this, I have been contemplating and with caring words from my girlfriend I have decided I am going to hold off on posting for awhile and instead turn my focus towards radiating and offering love and being in the space of love. I am going to spend some time just reading the posts of others as I feel maybe if I spend more time getting to know all the individual energies more it will help me to manage the huge charge of conscious energy that comes through this forum.

Deepest blessings to you all with love and light in the name of the One Infinite Creator.

[reeay]

Re: egregores

What concerns me is that there are implications here about this egregores. First, there was mention of how this egregores influence more rational people. Second, it feared magical thinking. And so, of all in this forum who fits the bill here? This is disturbing and I kind of perceive it as a witch hunt, when, there are differences of opinion and personal history between yourselves and those who talk about magical thinking and such. I don't see how such negative influence could have occured recently when this community has had its challenging moments such as the Meat thread and threads about the abrupt/gradual harvest. So I would like to ask those who sense this egregores if you are implying a specific person and/or persons who have been influenced by egregores. The past post shows this very vague/ambivalent switch from implication of a person or persons, as well as it being not a person. There is some issue and emotional charge re: magical thinking and this is based on observation of past communication over the idea of magical thinking.

If you'd like me to give to quotes from within this particular thread I will be happy to do so.

I'd like to add that I am not looking for specific names here, only to clarify your position so there is understanding. Do you guys feel like the egregore is influencing rational people, or rational people contribute to the egregore, or that the egregore feeds off the tension created when magical thinking is invoked in a manner that might be used to dismiss peoples opinions?

[Unbound]

I just took it as a dynamic created by the collection of different patterns of mind and belief of all the individuals on the forum. What I mentioned were what I feel are the "extremes", worded of course merely as best as I felt able to describe with my own vocabulary.

Personally, I never meant to indicate or suggest that there are in any way any "problems" with the situation, just observing what I felt as tension between different minds all interacting together and the aspects of mind I felt they were relevant to. I don't think it is a suddenly newly existent thing, it is just the continuous process of the evolution and interactions that happen on this forum, and is ever in a process of balancing. That I particularly felt the extremes of that collective mind was a thing of the experience of the moment and I sought to express my experience honestly as it is for me. I apologize if I in any way indicated or made anyone to feel like they are being accused as that was not in my intentions at all.

I was in a moment of weakness and sorrow and I was calling for compassion. Perhaps I was naive and erroneous, but it was my honest experience in those moments.

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Also, I dont think it influences anyone any more particular than anyone else. It's just like a "room atmosphere" I guess. Affects each according to each.

[reeay]

I apologize if this came out as blaming, Tanner. It's also a catalyst for me bc there is anxiety over the nuances made. I was concerned that my opinions or anybody's opinion on magical thinking or being a 'rational' logical person would be labeled as a negative influence in this community.

There has been many moments of tension here. Do you think it's effecting us now? Would it help to explain tension that happened during other tense moments?

I appreciate your honesty and your response, thank you.

Aole pilikia (there is no conflict between us)

[Parsons]

I have perceived this egregore influence a majority of common posters or people who spend a large amount of time 'lerking', even myself at times. I honestly feel it is not something to be overly concerned about, I am just more interested in 'steering' this egregore a bit to be a bit more accepting of certain concepts, such as magical thinking.

I also think it might be a good idea to take a break from posting, although IMO that will only calm the 'beast' down a bit, not really permanently change it for the better. I think the only way to do that is if a significant portion of people (or a handful of adepts) involved consciously set their will to change it in a specific way we agree on. At any rate, I am going on vacation with my wife to Yosemite starting Tuesday, so I was planning on not posting or at least posting lighthearted stuff only.

[Unbound]

I think it is just a natural result of such a diverse range of seekers all coming together and interacting together, whether actively posting or not. I dont think it is necessarily a bias of either side rather an acceptance of co-existence between the ends of the spectrum. Lovelovelovelovelovelovelove!

[reeay]

Yeah, we're all biased... that is something we all share in common.
For me personally, the things I notice clearly and can work with is my own personal catalyst. Perhaps that would contribute to creating a communal space here at b4th where we may continue to share and grow and laugh, etc.. That could be a good communal activity lol (working on our own catalysts).

[BrownEye]

Do you guys feel like the egregore is influencing rational people, or rational people contribute to the egregore, or that the egregore feeds off the tension created when magical thinking is invoked in a manner that might be used to dismiss peoples opinions?

I would say it affects everyone that considers posting or replying to touchy subjects. On the other forums I found the most rational people would quit replying (they still felt tension just clicking to read), while the less rational people would go into full on wall-of-text mud slinging.

After a group 'exorcism' we noticed there was an air of confusion. The more fundamental folks were confused as to why they had gotten so angry, as all of the intensity and attachment had vanished. The rational folks were in awe of the thingy LoL!

I don't think there is really any way to point at people, as anyone that so much as reads these exchanges is affecting and being affected.

It's all fun and games.

[reeay]

I guess gist of 'magical thinking' is about taking personal responsibility and seeking within. It's not fearful or meant to instill fear. Perhaps it was a projection on my part bc I was concerned, too, as I've seen magical thinking in its extreme causing psychological distress.

Within the 'rational people' there are unique personalities w/ a pulsing heart. Rituals are powerful, even observing others prepare and do the rituals could subtly shift person. You know I participated in exorcisms and banishing rituals (from the buddhist/shinto/blend of both traditions) and it's pretty remarkable... first time I learned about how to do 'counseling' was from these buddhist monks 'interacting' with beings/thought forms. I thought they were going to slay the entity/thing that seemed to be 'causing the problem' but it was like 'getting to know the entity/thing and being able to conjecture its needs and experiences'. I felt so understood and accepted, that I am OK. Now that I'm reflecting I experience this as diverting the attention to seek within (my bias of course influencing my perspective here).

I really appreciate your perspectives and this opportunity. Thank you! And apologies for going on and on. Thank you for letting me process this catalyst together.