Can somebody face karmic re-balancing for saying something hurtful?

[Patrick]

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I do believe the Universe never works against you, perhaps only seemingly for a purpose and to answer your will. It takes faith to find to see harmony within disharmony.

I'd really like to hear/read more about this.
How would faith do that?

I would say it takes faith because it is not logical to see harmony within disharmony.  The same as seeing the love present in murder/rape.  It takes a very great leap of faith to believe there is love even in those moments.  Because we just can't see it while incarnated here.  At least I don't know of anyone who can.  Still you can have faith that love is really there too, even if you can't see it.
 

[Cainite]

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I do believe the Universe never works against you, perhaps only seemingly for a purpose and to answer your will. It takes faith to find to see harmony within disharmony.

I'd really like to hear/read more about this.
How would faith do that?

I would say it takes faith because it is not logical to see harmony within disharmony.  The same as seeing the love present in murder/rape.  It takes a very great leap of faith to believe there is love even in those moments.  Because we just can't see it while incarnated here.  At least I don't know of anyone who can.  Still you can have faith that love is really there too, even if you can't see it.
 

Isn't this more like beguiling the self for the sake of happiness?

Is there really any love in those moments of rape or any other expression like that.. or more like hate? which is a lack of the presence of love. like the relationship of light/darkness or warmth/cold.

There may be purpose behind cruel catalyst like that.. is the love you're talking about related to this ''purpose''?

[Patrick]

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Isn't this more like beguiling the self for the sake of happiness?

Is there really any love in those moments of rape or any other expression like that.. or more like hate? which is a lack of the presence of love. like the relationship of light/darkness or warmth/cold.

There may be purpose behind cruel catalyst like that.. is the love you're talking about related to this ''purpose''?

It strikes a deep cord within me that there really is true love in the cruelest of torture.  While at the same time, I find it absolutely impossible to imagine how that could be.  Yet I have faith that it is so.

I understand why you would think that maybe I am deceiving myself for the sake of my personal happiness.  I would also agree that such thinking might be considered crazy.  If this "knowing without knowing" was not coming from so deep within me, I would have to agree that there must be a psychological motive behind that belief.

As with anything related to faith, this "knowing without knowing" cannot really be shared while incarnated here.  I just read Ra telling us that it is so and it vibrated deeply within me for being true.  I recognized the truth but I can't explain it.

Here are some of the quotes that inspired this belief in me while pondering on these paradox.

10.14 ▶ Questioner: For general development [of the] reader of this book, could you state some of the practices or exercises to perform to produce an acceleration toward the Law of One?

Ra: I am Ra.

Exercise One. This is the most nearly centered and usable within your illusion complex. The moment contains love. That is the lesson/goal of this illusion or density. The exercise is to consciously seek that love in awareness and understanding distortions. The first attempt is the cornerstone. Upon this choosing rests the remainder of the life-experience of an entity. The second seeking of love within the moment begins the addition. The third seeking powers the second, the fourth powering or doubling the third. As with the previous type of empowerment, there will be some loss of power due to flaws within the seeking in the distortion of insincerity. However, the conscious statement of self to self of the desire to seek love is so central an act of will that, as before, the loss of power due to this friction is inconsequential.

Exercise Two. The universe is one being. When a mind/body/spirit complex views another mind/body/spirit complex, see the Creator. This is an helpful exercise.

Exercise Three. Gaze within a mirror. See the Creator.

Exercise Four. Gaze at the creation which lies about the mind/body/spirit complex of each entity. See the Creator.

The foundation or prerequisite of these exercises is a predilection towards what may be called meditation, contemplation, or prayer. With this attitude, these exercises can be processed. Without it, the data will not sink down into the roots of the tree of mind, thus enabling and ennobling the body and touching the spirit.

61.9 ▶ Questioner: This brings out the point of the purpose for the physical incarnation, I believe. And that is to reach a conviction through your own thought processes as to a solution to problems and understandings in a totally unbiased or totally free situation with no proof at all or anything that you would consider proof, proof being a very poor word in itself. Can you expand on my concept?

Ra: I am Ra. Your opinion is an eloquent one although somewhat confused in its connections between the freedom expressed by subjective knowing and the freedom expressed by subjective acceptance. There is a significant distinction between the two.

This is not a dimension of knowing, even subjectively, due to the lack of overview of cosmic and other inpourings which affect each and every situation which produces catalyst. The subjective acceptance of that which is at the moment and the finding of love within that moment is the greater freedom.

That known as the subjective knowing without proof is, in some degree, a poor friend for there will be anomalies no matter how much information is garnered due to the distortions which form third density.

 

[Cainite]

@Patrick: mate, I wouldn't assume that you deceive yourself.

as usual I was just raising questions.

[AnthroHeart]

I didn't say karma punishes beings for being immoral or anything.

Would you say masturbation is immoral?

When I went to church, the Christians called it sexual immorality. Even lusting after someone was considered sexual immorality.

[Minyatur]

Is there really any love in those moments of rape or any other expression like that.. or more like hate? which is a lack of the presence of love. like the relationship of light/darkness or warmth/cold.

There may be purpose behind cruel catalyst like that.. is the love you're talking about related to this ''purpose''?

It helps I think to not view as separate. What if the greatest of saints and the evilest of sinners were truly one same indvidual seen in contrasting circumstances? What if love is that which when balanced is pure selflessness and when distorted is pure selfishness? What if everything done unto another goes back to yourself? What if you cannot hurt another for any other reason than to hurt yourself? Like a sad being trying to destroy its reflection? Then, perhaps, could every action be understood in how it reflects what love is?

Love is truly the force that does all the things, it is the drive behind all actions. From a state of wholeness you can see radiance, from a state of lack you see a black hole that draws to itself. Heart-love is love unblocked by personal need, it wishes nothing but the best for self and others, but holds the same potential to be blocked in a perception of being unwhole, from which it would seek to fill itself wrongly. If love was not what can be hurt and twisted, then there would be neither potential for good nor bad.

I think a rapist is nothing that stands high and mighty above as if it is balanced and in control of what it does. It is instead a deeply sorrowful state of need unanswered and twisted, slave to what makes it feel unwhole in its perception. It is more pitiful than its victim and in much greater need to heal. I believe no one turns negative without first seeing its inherent potential for undistorted love to have been deeply twisted and broken. The hardship of this density is to not see the journey of other souls, which creates a confused perception of them and so to not see how they are what you can have become. If this was otherwise, then you would have nothing but compassion for them.

Everything is truly the object of your highest love, circumstances reflect all its potentials and only in accepting all that can be reflected through circumstances can you be said to intelligently (in knowledge of it) love it.

[Cainite]

I didn't say karma punishes beings for being immoral or anything.

Would you say masturbation is immoral?

When I went to church, the Christians called it sexual immorality. Even lusting after someone was considered sexual immorality.

Of course not. But what I find a little bit of an issue with is seeing other beings as sexual objects either in fantasy or porn while doing it.
Otherwise it's just releasing sexual energy for me. same as eating, or resting.. no more than meeting the needs of the body.. so other goals may be pursued.

[EvolvingPhoenix]

I wouldn't worry so much about the "morality" of the desires I have if I were you. I get the impression Christian teachings have distorted some of your thinking, Indigo.

[Glow]

There is truth to what you say, but he hasn't spent the last 29 years experiencing the same failure I have, and he hasn't had the circumstances to his life that lead to him experiencing such failure. I wish great failure upon him. But I don't see any failure big enough to force him to face that same judge I've had to face. And it makes me angry. I don't see him facing failure like I've faced failure. Although if he really is this prone to judgement, he'll probably carry it with him in the next life. Some day, in some life, he will have to face similar failure. I just hope that lifetime comes in the next and that ugly voice in his head turns on him.

I don’t judge your urge here but I think if you look what you are exposing is your own karma not his.

You want him to suffer, so he understands, do you understand everyone’s plight who could be perceived to have wronged you, or do you want others to wish suffering upon you for things you may have done.

This is your own karma drawing attention to itself. Your karma is showing you it is tied to learning forgiveness.

Treat others as you would want to be treated, judge not lest the be judged. These are not just pretty ideas but a wake up call explaining exactly how karma works.

If you would wish no more karma upon yourself for the ways you(we all have) hurt others there is only one path. Forgiveness of self and other self.

I see you are already past the brother issue. I’d still use this as a signal where you could focus your work.

[kristina]

Weaher you forgive another person or not has no effect on their karma. it has to do with your own.

in the same way, his karma has to do with his own forgiveness of self or others or lack of it.

It's the self that condemns us. and it's the self that gives us salvation. I would try to see the catalyst he gave you in a good light.. has it taught you anything? will it teach you forgiveness by giving you sth to forgive?

You stole the words right out of my mouth! Excellent answer! And oh so true.