07-11-2012, 04:04 PM
(07-11-2012, 03:41 PM)TheEternal Wrote: A moment.
No, we are saying that Identity is the Attributes of the Attribute-less Void, which is the absolute potential state of Consciousness, unaroused. When you speak of identity, you think of characteristics, definition, of kinetic states which ARE. However, when what speaks "I AM", they are not referring to something which they ARE, but to the state in which AREness arises within AMness. By this we mean to express that the term "are" in the English language is a reference that can only be made in the context of something that is differentiated from the individual self. When one speaks of "am", it denotes a permanence, something which is more than simply the perspective of the individual but something which identifies the attributes of the individual's essence.
Now, if we know that the most basic essence of all things is Void, Attribute-less, Identity-less, we have to somehow understand how and why identity arises within that. In this case, we would express that the self interactions within the awareness of the Void give rise to the reasoning that by the Void existing with itself there is by necessity an attribute which arises, that which is the Void's awareness of itself. This is awareness, consciousness, is the first identity of the Void. However, there are such things as partial or fractal identities, within which the first identity activates its infinite potential states of identity.
With that being said, we are the Void, we are the consciousness, the first identity, in that we are all identities. However, we, as Creators, choose what we identify with, and that which we identify with we form to. Why, when one says "I", must they refer to an identity? "I" is a word, "we", is a word, and what it in truth refers to is a Source of information, of Light, through which energy flows. When we say we, or I, we are referring to the first identity of Consciousness, that is Cosmic Awareness, but when we say Tanner Hartmann, we are referring to the fractal identity of the One consciousness which has been created in parallel with this body.
However, the identity and the body are linked only because of the associative values of the consciousnesses which interact with it. This individual has many names and many identities, each which is shaped according to the lens of the individual through which this one is viewed. In fact, every individual has hundreds, thousands of identities which all form a composite, continuum of Personality which appears to follow a pattern or wave, but in fact is a dynamic interaction of many identities within the base state which is consciousness.
Thus, the act of identification, through the statement "I Am", is an essential key to understanding how one may put themselves in the state of what is called in Vedanta, the witness-consciousness. By identifying with the All, with the Void, with the Permanent Space, the identity becomes that. When the Identity has become the Void, there is another step, wherein then the identified Non-Identity which is the Self is seen to be composed of Infinite Identity, and thereby its Non-Identity exists not because it is Nothing, which is still an identity, but because it can in no way be identified, due to the fact that it is without identifiable attributes.
Why is this? When you identify an attribute within the Non-Identity, you therefore perceive an Identity, and thus the perception of the Non-Identity is missed.
Thus, by sitting in the state of the Non-Identity, and watching the Identities as they arise, one may say that their Personality is for their picking and choosing, and that every aspect of the Self is absolutely malleable. We believe we have static personalities, or are stuck in the patterns of our genetics, but in truth the mind can transform at any moment.
(07-11-2012, 07:54 AM)ShinAr Wrote:(07-10-2012, 11:23 PM)TheEternal Wrote: I have only one disagreement with what you have said, and that is that I do not believe identities are particular to incarnations, but rather incarnations continue as a function of separated identities until the consciousness has unified itself with the Cosmic Awareness that is the presence, and then, both non-identity and identity function in symbiosis. This is the process of the creation of the Self, of Selves, by Selves, for Selves, for the Self, for fun and love!
The act of identification is a sense, a mixture of two fields. There is no motion without identity, but there is a natural process in which identity becomes a frictive force between instances of non-identity. That is, when the being is truly freed from the limited perception, there is not the freedom from the cycle of life and death in the way of presence and existence, but rather that the configurations of one's consciousness allows for the integration with nature and thus for the allowance of natural multi-dimensional existence to arise as deeper unity is seen through all dimensions.
There is nothing wrong with identity, but it is a tool with many uses, and as such, being one of the most powerful facets of consciousness which is perceivable in experience, it must be regarded as sacred in a way that without identity the lack of identity would remain unfulfilled and only in potential, with no wonders ever being made kinetic.
I am not sure about everything that you have said but it seems that what you are pointing to is what would become the difference between the temporary identity of one human incarnation and the permanent identity of the actual field of consciousness that is evolving throughout many different forms and identities. In that you are saying that each field of consciousness has an identity separate from the one's it adopts within an incarnation?
Is this correct?
Thank God, you showed up when you did !!! lol