The Hunger Games

[Lulu]

Lulu, my meaning of "there are no victims" is that those "victims" chose this victimhood archetype for this incarnation before incarnating.

na, I don't think so any more then a being would choose to come in and starve to death by lying in a trash can. Perhaps to live in physical they are choosing to take risks deliberately though...

What amazes me most recently, is the knowledge that spirits in the spirit realm can be in the same victimized place NOW as when they lived on earth. There is some interesting mediumship work that shows that whole groups of Egyptian Slaves were, until just recently, Bound to their Masters. The earth-guide through the medium, asked them why they were too terrified to stop raping and killing women and children as their Master demanded. As a response images were shown to the medium of how they were threatened with limbs being cut off and other horribly intense physical tortures. The earth -guide, then explained through the medium to them, if they say NO and would instead be prepared to die, that the only thing that would happen to them, is that they would move into the next sphere. No one dared to do except finally one stepped up. When he disappeared from that dimension the others were shocked, but then they also became willing to risk their "lives" and did move out of that realm.

What comes to mind also, is something from Hidden_Hand about the duties to the Creators. It was something to the effect of the (lower dimensional) God testing his obedient ones with the Tree of Knowledge, then he made an agreement with the rebellious ones, the Fallen Angels that as some sort of penance they have to be inherently evil to "help" humans to stimulate growth in order to ever be allowed to return "home".

I find it interesting that one powerful Entity in particular, whose basis is rebellion, is STILL in the belief that they must DO what was agreed upon with that Creator to move beyond it. The real phycopath is That God, and as always, things were twisted. The way for that entity to move beyond that is NOT to do what it has been told it's duty is.

The Negative beings have a stuck-belief that is not so different then the Egyptian Slave example above. They are sensitive to being threatened with loss of their own Soverignity, Ironically the very thing they have given away to this one "father" Creator. Just as no grown child need to commune with an abusive parent any more, the same is true for them if they can find the courage to trust. Moving out of the god-construct universe naturally.

Lulu