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The Hunger Games - Lulu - 04-06-2012
I've noticed for some time a collective energy that seems to point towards a healing needed from a sort of "Colosseum becoming sickened entertainments of gladiator" energy. Perhaps some will relive the past. Already people volunteer for torment for fame and fortune, selling their souls (desires) for external desires.
All this talk about this movie and I had to have a look tonight. I sat with five friends who all read the book! Apparently it's popular book right now!
I was surprised at the accuracy of yet another possible future and reality being creating, based on our current collective energies.
I also saw it as a warning, no wait...a threat. A possible set-up for more control.
Though most people sit "tensely" thinking they are enjoying the movie because they are "entertained" meaning, shocked and not bored. Underneath the tension is the unacknowledged emotion of fear. What a great way to control society. When the church-bells ring, there is a hanging. Always a mixed message, shall we celebrate!?.
The hidden message in the movie: those who challenge the boundaries that are put into place as a (slave) society will pay a price. Those who don't challenge it, will live well, seem free, eat and dress well and be seem prosperous and happy.
Which one would you choose?
Lulu
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-06-2012
(04-06-2012, 02:29 AM)Lulu Wrote: The hidden message in the movie: those who challenge the boundaries that are put into place as a (slave) society will pay a price. Those who don't challenge it, will live well, seem free, eat and dress well and be seem prosperous and happy.It's the "hidden" message in many stories (in whatever guise, truth vs ignorance, allegory of cave, red pill/blue pill, tree of life/knowledge). Not exactly hidden or a warning as the writers are well aware of it.
From Wikipedia:
"Collins says that the inspiration to write The Hunger Games came from channel surfing on television. On one channel she observed people competing on a reality show and on another she saw footage of the invasion of Iraq. The two "began to blur in this very unsettling way" and the idea for the book was formed.[6] The Greek myth of Theseus served as the basis for the story, with Collins describing Katniss as a futuristic Theseus, and that Roman gladiatorial games formed the framework. The sense of loss that Collins developed through her father's service in the Vietnam War also affected the story, whose heroine lost her father at age eleven, five years before the story begins.[7] Collins stated that the deaths of the young characters and other "dark passages" were the hardest parts of the book to write, but she had accepted she would be writing such scenes.[8] She considered the moments where Katniss reflects on happier moments in her past to be the more enjoyable passages to write.[8]"
"Theseus was a founder-hero, like Perseus, Cadmus, or Heracles, all of whom battled and overcame foes that were identified with an archaic religious and social order."
RE: The Hunger Games - native - 04-06-2012
(04-06-2012, 02:29 AM)Lulu Wrote: The hidden message in the movie: those who challenge the boundaries that are put into place as a (slave) society will pay a price. Those who don't challenge it, will live well, seem free, eat and dress well and be seem prosperous and happy.
They directly challenged the "rules of the game" too, which seems to be the greater metaphor. Love is impossible to control, and it set them free.
One review pointed out that the wardrobe theme had political/social significance. I saw it emphasizing that people are wearing costumes in life, playing dress-up and living in some sort of disillusioned extravagant fantasy.
I thought the movie was terrible by the way
Way too much hype.
RE: The Hunger Games - Wander-Man - 04-06-2012
I liked the movie
RE: The Hunger Games - Lulu - 04-06-2012
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They directly challenged the "rules of the game" too, which seems to be the greater metaphor. Love is impossible to control, and it set them free.
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Icaro, yep that's the "happy ending" that gives the audience what it needs. You might be a rare one who could follow in the direction of truth to your soul. However, most humans are still afraid of "death" because of this they would not be able to proceed in souls truth as she did.
Deep inside the masses beyond the Love metaphor, the story leaves one not with hope and love as the active element but an underlying sense of fear which allows for more subliminal control. I bet if you asked around most watchers would say they had weird and icky dreams after watching it, not dreams about hope and love.
Politics, movies and media are micro-managed from the spirit realm or worlds, beyond what we can see here (you might be shocked to know how many people can be instantly controlled and influenced in any given moment)! When a veil starts to drop and something begins to become known --such as vampires for example, then stories/movies/tv-shows are offered up. As they are explained away as fiction they loose their momentum towards more unveiling.
Fortunately there is always potentials for catalysts for opening towards internal change as well if one confronts themselves.
Lulu
(04-06-2012, 11:24 AM)Icaro Wrote: One review pointed out that the wardrobe theme had political/social significance. I saw it emphasizing that people are wearing costumes in life, playing dress-up and living in some sort of disillusioned extravagant fantasy.
Definitely agree on that! And that is what people DO want, extravagant fantasy. This is what they are ASKING for and what they externally want. If you took a peek at most peoples vision boards what do you think would be on it?? I highly doubt most want to know how to LOVE as Fully as possible or to synchronize with their Deepest Souls Desires; or to Open in expressive Truth with their Partners. They aren't asking for Inspiration or to be fully Empowered. For the most part they are asking for Tangible, external stuff.
RE: The Hunger Games - Lulu - 04-07-2012
Wow --this movie speaks to the EXACT potential of manifestation we are headed towards that the society in the Hunger Games is!
http://www.thrivemovement.com/home
I never expected to see David Icke AND Deepak Chopra in the SAME movie! And made by Foster Gamble (whom I thought was one of the 'bad guys'). He has spent an exorbitant amount of resources researching and documenting and assembling a very informative movie that will scare the crap out of many, but has solutions for another potential too.
Will we do it?
Lulu
RE: The Hunger Games - Patrick - 04-07-2012
(04-07-2012, 02:15 AM)Lulu Wrote: http://www.thrivemovement.com/home
When this movie came out, it was not free at first. Which IMHO is contrary to what the movie is supposedly about. So I did not watch it.
But now I will.
Is it like the Zeitgeist movement ?
RE: The Hunger Games - Lulu - 04-07-2012
yes, same here, I was psyched to see it is available free now!
I'm not sure, I'll check out the movement.
RE: The Hunger Games - native - 04-07-2012
(04-07-2012, 02:15 AM)Lulu Wrote: Wow --this movie speaks to the EXACT potential of manifestation we are headed towards that the society in the Hunger Games is!
Where is your faith? In my reality there isn't a snowball's chance in hell of any type of totalitarian state forming. Times may get difficult as needs are addressed and as values change, but we'll be fine.
(04-06-2012, 12:49 PM)Lulu Wrote: Politics, movies and media are micro-managed from the spirit realm or worlds, beyond what we can see here (you might be shocked to know how many people can be instantly controlled and influenced in any given moment)!
People are waking up too, so it may reinforce their resolve instead of promoting fear.
Quote:I highly doubt most want to know how to LOVE as Fully as possible or to synchronize with their Deepest Souls Desires; or to Open in expressive Truth with their Partners.
They need better teachers
RE: The Hunger Games - Patrick - 04-07-2012
Well if the only thing that happens in 2012 is that the Elites can no longer suppress all these free energy tech, that would be enough to start our transformation from 3d to 4d within 100 to 700 years like Ra estimated.
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-07-2012
If we mistake an apprehension for potential being offered with actual opportunity being offered we are cheating ourselves. The later involves complete participation in order to manifest 'potential', the former is a rattling idea. The collective mind here is singular - the individual and society are the same thing. The mind that leads (or teaches) is one which has already 'gone there' while being 'from here'. The key to effective communication or providing opportunity or healing is actual presence in both places. That is, from the invested, incarnated standpoint, owning the richness of both - not the mere idea of one or the other, or the vague apprehensions of either. With such a bridge constructed, one's message then, 'if it reaches one, reaches all'.
"Once this basic information is received it is not put into practice in the heart and in the life experience but instead rattles about within the mind complex distortions as would a building block which has lost its place and simply rolls from side to side uselessly, yet still the entity calls."
"However, if this same entity, being biased from the depths of its mind/body/spirit complex towards love/light, were then to accept the responsibility for each moment of the time/space accumulation of present moments available to it, such an entity can empower its progress in much the same way as we described the empowering of the call of your social complex distortion to the Confederation."
(04-07-2012, 11:27 AM)Valtor Wrote: Well if the only thing that happens in 2012 is that the Elites can no longer suppress all these free energy tech, that would be enough to start our transformation from 3d to 4d within 100 to 700 years like Ra estimated.Why is that?
RE: The Hunger Games - Patrick - 04-07-2012
(04-07-2012, 12:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(04-07-2012, 11:27 AM)Valtor Wrote: Well if the only thing that happens in 2012 is that the Elites can no longer suppress all these free energy tech, that would be enough to start our transformation from 3d to 4d within 100 to 700 years like Ra estimated.
Why is that?
Because IMHO we already have all the basic tech required to automate everything. The only elements missing is one, free energy and two, for most of us to stop supporting the false perception of scarcity.
The Elites have been quite successful with suppressing number one and we are all raised to take number two for granted. Now the Elites can only do this because we agree to it. We agreed to support a system based on greed. We are not victims. But we can forgive ourselves and move forward.
So what is needed to create heaven on Earth is not much. But the point of coming to 3d in the first place would be greatly lessened if this was manifested.
Now that we are transiting to 4d the rules are changing. I think this suppression will no longer be supported. The catalyst is not needed anymore.
Ok so regarding the thrive movie. IMHO it's counter productive to just make people aware of the plans of the Elites and let them get worked up and angry about it. The movie assumes that we are victims. Without looking at the spiritual side of things, that's a normal conclusion. But it's not a satisfying one.
This does not help raising the vibrations.
Talking about free energy is nearly useless. What is needed is to release plans (without patents) and working prototypes all over the place and for free. Otherwise, this cannot be done by playing by the rules we gave ourselves. Until we transcend our greed-based rules, free energy will not happen.
So I do not resonate with this movie, even though what they say is all true, it's not really helping and I believe the authors have their own agenda.
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-07-2012
(04-07-2012, 03:35 PM)Valtor Wrote:(04-07-2012, 12:32 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(04-07-2012, 11:27 AM)Valtor Wrote: Well if the only thing that happens in 2012 is that the Elites can no longer suppress all these free energy tech, that would be enough to start our transformation from 3d to 4d within 100 to 700 years like Ra estimated.
Why is that?
Because IMHO we already have all the basic tech required to automate everything. The only elements missing is one, free energy and two, for most of us to stop supporting the false perception of scarcity.
The Elites have been quite successful with suppressing number one and we are all raised to take number two for granted. Now the Elites can only do this because we agree to it. We agreed to support a system based on greed. We are not victims. But we can forgive ourselves and move forward.
So what is needed to create heaven on Earth is not much. But the point of coming to 3d in the first place would be greatly lessened if this was manifested.
Now that we are transiting to 4d the rules are changing. I think this suppression will no longer be supported. The catalyst is not needed anymore.
I'm not really following you here. What does the false perception of scarcity have to do with necessary catalyst of 3D?
RE: The Hunger Games - Patrick - 04-07-2012
(04-07-2012, 04:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm not really following you here. What does the false perception of scarcity have to do with necessary catalyst of 3D?
I'm making a reference to the Hidden Hand material. By creating a sense of scarcity, we are provided with greed-based catalysts. These catalysts, which are many and nearly unavoidable, offer us many opportunities to make The Choice.
So while 3d is dimming and 4d is brightening, these catalysts provided by the Elites will become obsolete as well as the Elites themselves.
(I should have started a thread just for this discussion and discussing the thrive movie)
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-08-2012
(04-07-2012, 09:14 PM)Valtor Wrote:Relative scarcity comes from the limitations of social knowledge systems as well. Under the 3D veil, Sirians were flying around with telepathic communication. I agree that what's need to create heaven on earth is not much, however it's not the automation of abundance which transitions a society to 4D. The catalyst of greed, or role of elites, is not required in the first place. So no, free-energy tech doesn't "start the transition to 4D". Values remain the same and, if they involve power structures, will find an outlet (and a potentially more dangerous one with physical power sources readily on tap). Distortions are not suddenly removed through some manufacturing process or a new tool.(04-07-2012, 04:55 PM)zenmaster Wrote: I'm not really following you here. What does the false perception of scarcity have to do with necessary catalyst of 3D?
I'm making a reference to the Hidden Hand material. By creating a sense of scarcity, we are provided with greed-based catalysts. These catalysts, which are many and nearly unavoidable, offer us many opportunities to make The Choice.
So while 3d is dimming and 4d is brightening, these catalysts provided by the Elites will become obsolete as well as the Elites themselves.
(I should have started a thread just for this discussion and discussing the thrive movie)
RE: The Hunger Games - 3DMonkey - 04-08-2012
Look what the wheel did for us
RE: The Hunger Games - βαθμιαίος - 04-08-2012
(04-08-2012, 10:55 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Values remain the same and, if they involve power structures, will find an outlet (and a potentially more dangerous one with physical power sources readily on tap). Distortions are not suddenly removed through some manufacturing process or a new tool.
Quite true and yet, according to Ra, that was basically the point of the industrial revolution. Even though manufacturing processes don't remove distortions, the "freeing of all planetary entities from the darkness" and tapping "the infinite energy of the planetary sphere for use in lighting and power" would certainly provide the opportunity for individuals to form significantly different mental maps than their current ones.
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-08-2012
(04-08-2012, 12:04 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:The idea is to provide more leisure time, and possibly remove concerns related to survival (if there was not more war as a result). My point is that could obviously happen at any point in 3D (and has with prior 3D civilizations) and is not necessarily something that starts a transition to 4D. What's funny is that if 4D is immanent, then of course anything related to change can be interpreted as a sign of a transition to 4D (and we currently see this with people, naturally, labeling everything as a sign).(04-08-2012, 10:55 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Values remain the same and, if they involve power structures, will find an outlet (and a potentially more dangerous one with physical power sources readily on tap). Distortions are not suddenly removed through some manufacturing process or a new tool.
Quite true and yet, according to Ra, that was basically the point of the industrial revolution. Even though manufacturing processes don't remove distortions, the "freeing of all planetary entities from the darkness" and tapping "the infinite energy of the planetary sphere for use in lighting and power" would certainly provide the opportunity for individuals to form significantly different mental maps than their current ones.
What would be a sign is a change in general social philosophy that underlies all catalyst. Of course we already suspect this, so evidence of that too is sought out in the distraction of merely reinforcing a feeling of a new paradigm. That's is kind of an impotent, regressive approach to actually participating in the change, like looking for shapes in clouds. Or rather, attempting to substitute a completely transitory notion of 4D for 4D itself (or the idea of Buddha nature for the Buddha nature).
RE: The Hunger Games - Patrick - 04-08-2012
(04-08-2012, 10:55 AM)zenmaster Wrote: ...The catalyst of greed, or role of elites, is not required in the first place.
You're right, it's certainly not required. But I believe these catalysts have greatly sped up our evolution. They are providing us with a great service and having fun all the while. Of course, this fun of theirs may have consequences IF we cannot collectively completely forgive them and thank them for this service. Without this forgiveness, karma won't be fun for these people.
(04-08-2012, 10:55 AM)zenmaster Wrote: ...So no, free-energy tech doesn't "start the transition to 4D". Values remain the same and, if they involve power structures, will find an outlet (and a potentially more dangerous one with physical power sources readily on tap). Distortions are not suddenly removed through some manufacturing process or a new tool.
Of course, the Elites and their hierarchy is the first thing that becomes obsolete. They certainly cannot go to 4d positive.
Ra stated that physics and metaphysics are indissociable. So I concluded that technology is always central to the process of going from 3d to 4d. It's quite possible that I'm completely mistaken on this. But it somehow gives me hope to believe that tech is a part of it at this stage of my journey.
The book 2150 AD gives a nice view of what it would look like without the suppression of the Elites and also how this affects our values and spirituality on a global scale.
(04-08-2012, 01:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea is to provide more leisure time, and possibly remove concerns related to survival (if there was not more war as a result). My point is that could obviously happen at any point in 3D (and has with prior 3D civilizations) and is not necessarily something that starts a transition to 4D. What's funny is that if 4D is immanent, then of course anything related to change can be interpreted as a sign of a transition to 4D (and we currently see this with people, naturally, labeling everything as a sign).
That's because most people thirst for real change. The Elites knows this, they give us "change". Meet the new, same as the old.
(04-08-2012, 01:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What would be a sign is a change in general social philosophy that underlies all catalyst. Of course we already suspect this, so evidence of that too is sought out in the distraction of merely reinforcing a feeling of a new paradigm. That's is kind of an impotent, regressive approach to actually participating in the change, like looking for shapes in clouds. Or rather, attempting to substitute a completely transitory notion of 4D for 4D itself (or the idea of Buddha nature for the Buddha nature).
IMHO there are only two ways that could result in real change.
1) Change the Self and the world will change. (Not likely on a global scale if our current status quo remains. Of course, the people on this forum already did this to a great extent.)
2) Remove the external suppression mechanisms and the Selves will change and then the world will change. (This could happen if 3d is indeed going away)
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-08-2012
(04-08-2012, 07:34 PM)Valtor Wrote:Presented catalysts don't speed up evolution. It's a wholly conscious process of using 'will' to recognize catalyst as catalyst which accomplishes that. Because there are more conscious people incarnate now, there are more that are using the available opportunities to evolve. If there is need of forgiveness, then there is some kind of karma (attachment) involved as well in the presented catalyst.(04-08-2012, 10:55 AM)zenmaster Wrote: ...The catalyst of greed, or role of elites, is not required in the first place.
You're right, it's certainly not required. But I believe these catalysts have greatly sped up our evolution. They are providing us with a great service and having fun all the while. Of course, this fun of theirs may have consequences IF we cannot collectively completely forgive them and thank them for this service. Without this forgiveness, karma won't be fun for these people.
(04-08-2012, 07:34 PM)Valtor Wrote:The way I look at it, with the abundant opportunities for evolution provided beyond the small restrictions imposed by the dynamic between the unwilling and the elite, it makes almost no sense to focus on that elite as a role in evolution in the first place. That's why the conspiracy info spewed out all over the new-age forums becomes suspicious as some kind of important or even interesting news. What is lacking in oneself is what must be accentuated - and if you must play that off of the 'elite' then there is your embrace, your binding dance. That is necessarily the attachment to what is offered by the elite. I realize that DW (et al) may not see that, but does everyone not?(04-08-2012, 10:55 AM)zenmaster Wrote: ...So no, free-energy tech doesn't "start the transition to 4D". Values remain the same and, if they involve power structures, will find an outlet (and a potentially more dangerous one with physical power sources readily on tap). Distortions are not suddenly removed through some manufacturing process or a new tool.
Of course, the Elites and their hierarchy is the first thing that becomes obsolete. They certainly cannot go to 4d positive.
(04-08-2012, 07:34 PM)Valtor Wrote: Ra stated that physics and metaphysics are indissociable. So I concluded that technology is always central to the process of going from 3d to 4d. It's quite possible that I'm completely mistaken on this. But it somehow gives me hope to believe that tech is a part of it at this stage of my journey.Physics and metaphysics are completely tied. That's why free energy or UFO tech or any transcendent notion or symbolism involving the physical is unconsciously attached to the metaphysical. If that aspect of self (metaphysical/physical interplay) is never actually made conscious, then how is society going to evolve based on free-energy principles? It can't evolve where there is no attempt to accept that aspect of self. Don't you see that?
(04-08-2012, 07:34 PM)Valtor Wrote: The book 2150 AD gives a nice view of what it would look like without the suppression of the Elites and also how this affects our values and spirituality on a global scale.Read that book 20 years ago. I liked it and it was good fiction, but it's sort of dated and the actual work involved in one's unique circumstances of evolution is dismissed in favor of indulgent entertainment value.
(04-08-2012, 07:34 PM)Valtor Wrote:I honestly don't see the role of the elites as being as important as you do. In order to progress, individual decisions and realizations must be made which have nothing to do with whatever plans or progress they happen to be able to (independently) make.(04-08-2012, 01:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The idea is to provide more leisure time, and possibly remove concerns related to survival (if there was not more war as a result). My point is that could obviously happen at any point in 3D (and has with prior 3D civilizations) and is not necessarily something that starts a transition to 4D. What's funny is that if 4D is immanent, then of course anything related to change can be interpreted as a sign of a transition to 4D (and we currently see this with people, naturally, labeling everything as a sign).
That's because most people thirst for real change. The Elites knows this, they give us "change". Meet the new, same as the old.
(04-08-2012, 07:34 PM)Valtor Wrote:(04-08-2012, 01:54 PM)zenmaster Wrote: What would be a sign is a change in general social philosophy that underlies all catalyst. Of course we already suspect this, so evidence of that too is sought out in the distraction of merely reinforcing a feeling of a new paradigm. That's is kind of an impotent, regressive approach to actually participating in the change, like looking for shapes in clouds. Or rather, attempting to substitute a completely transitory notion of 4D for 4D itself (or the idea of Buddha nature for the Buddha nature).
IMHO there are only two ways that could result in real change.
1) Change the Self and the world will change. (Not likely on a global scale if our current status quo remains. Of course, the people on this forum already did this to a great extent.)
2) Remove the external suppression mechanisms and the Selves will change and then the world will change. (This could happen if 3d is indeed going away)
In my view the first way is the only way, and it is indeed on a global scale if the individual accepts the responsibility that is grounded in the same 'distortion patterns' in use by others. That's the opportunity 'bridge' (which still must be consciously accepted).
The suppression mechanisms are illusory. Think about it. You don't get 'free energy' if you're unable to envision it, metaphysically, in the first place. i.e. you don't inherit some principle of transcendence for no cost. If you think that others should somehow invent it for your convenient consumption, then you're not getting it.
RE: The Hunger Games - βαθμιαίος - 04-09-2012
(04-08-2012, 09:56 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The suppression mechanisms are illusory. Think about it. You don't get 'free energy' if you're unable to envision it, metaphysically, in the first place. i.e. you don't inherit some principle of transcendence for no cost. If you think that others should somehow invent it for your convenient consumption, then you're not getting it.
Except that we know from Ra that it has been invented and is being suppressed.
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-09-2012
(04-09-2012, 08:20 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:Yes, a few people were aided in understandings, from outside of our society. It did not occur naturally, in our 'social complex', from realized metaphysical principles, due to acceptance of self. What you already are can't be suppressed. You may attempt seed a society with an opportunity, but, like Ra's 'hitchhiker', if the ground is not fertile (metaphysical readiness), there will be no potential for the concepts involved to be accepted.(04-08-2012, 09:56 PM)zenmaster Wrote: The suppression mechanisms are illusory. Think about it. You don't get 'free energy' if you're unable to envision it, metaphysically, in the first place. i.e. you don't inherit some principle of transcendence for no cost. If you think that others should somehow invent it for your convenient consumption, then you're not getting it.
Except that we know from Ra that it has been invented and is being suppressed.
RE: The Hunger Games - βαθμιαίος - 04-09-2012
(04-09-2012, 09:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Yes, a few people were aided in understandings, from outside of our society. It did not occur naturally, in our 'social complex', from realized metaphysical principles, due to acceptance of self. What you already are can't be suppressed. You may attempt seed a society with an opportunity, but, like Ra's 'hitchhiker', if the ground is not fertile (metaphysical readiness), there will be no potential for the concepts involved to be accepted.
I think it's too strong to say the ground is not fertile. Ra said that this has been an intensive battleground, with many, many attempts from both positive and negative to sway the outcome. In my understanding of our history, there have been many nodes where "consensus reality" could have gone one direction or another. One example might be the the Maxwell/Heaviside equations. An example of an intensive battleground, of course, was/is the Ra contact itself.
We've discussed the hitchhiker analogy before. I don't disagree with you that ultimately the work becomes internal. However, when I say "ultimately" I'm thinking sixth and seventh density. As I understand it, there is nothing inappropriate about relying on outer technology in earlier densities.
RE: The Hunger Games - Patrick - 04-09-2012
Zen, I believe that I understand what your are saying. It simply does not fully match with my current understanding of why things are the way they are.
My personal quest since my awakening has been to find ways that I could fully understand "evil" and why we are subjected to it. I built a solid foundation based on TLoO for this purpose and my current views are all held in equilibrium within my self.
It's simply an issue with the medium we use to communicate. We can't really go deep enough in each others views to see where it all matches without changing both our views in the process. IMHO this sort of thing is not really possible in 3d to begin with. Maybe with telepathy.
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-09-2012
(04-09-2012, 09:48 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:It makes complete sense. People would rather b!tch and moan about someone else not giving them free energy (or rather, their vague, sci-fi or conspiracy tainted ideas of what 'free energy' is supposed to be), like a child crying over wanting something that wasn't earned, than to 'invent it' themselves. Bottom line is that it has not been possible primarily, and very simply due to society's lack of honesty. Taking responsibility for inner work always makes possible the complimentary outer aspect.(04-09-2012, 09:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Yes, a few people were aided in understandings, from outside of our society. It did not occur naturally, in our 'social complex', from realized metaphysical principles, due to acceptance of self. What you already are can't be suppressed. You may attempt seed a society with an opportunity, but, like Ra's 'hitchhiker', if the ground is not fertile (metaphysical readiness), there will be no potential for the concepts involved to be accepted.
I think it's too strong to say the ground is not fertile.
(04-09-2012, 09:48 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Ra said that this has been an intensive battleground, with many, many attempts from both positive and negative to sway the outcome. In my understanding of our history, there have been many nodes where "consensus reality" could have gone one direction or another. One example might be the the Maxwell/Heaviside equations. An example of an intensive battleground, of course, was/is the Ra contact itself.Yes, and you can lead a horse to water but you can't abridge its free will. That will and honesty, and creative potential exists and may be exercised independently of these 'battleground' conditions.
(04-09-2012, 09:48 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: We've discussed the hitchhiker analogy before. I don't disagree with you that ultimately the work becomes internal. However, when I say "ultimately" I'm thinking sixth and seventh density.Couple things: it starts out as internal in the first place (that's what ideas are - what the intuition may access), and the hitchhiker analogy evolves and is intended to be with respect to 3rd-density macrocosm/microcosm possibilities. That is, any outer technology is necessarily derived from interior understandings (which is, in turn, supported by the collective understandings), regardless of density.
There is this intriguing bond with the physical manifestation (tech) precisely due to its ability to suggest general metaphysical (microcosmic) principles. Usually these are unconsciously recognized as being (symbolically) transcendent to one's current state of evolution. Jung figured that out many years ago.
(04-09-2012, 10:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: Zen, I believe that I understand what your are saying. It simply does not fully match with my current understanding of why things are the way they are.It's not possible to 'fully match' unless you are only considering some part of it as a convenient abstraction. Ideas may also not be matched if apprehensions are kept at the typical reactive, ad-hoc, intuitive level.
(04-09-2012, 10:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: My personal quest since my awakening has been to find ways that I could fully understand "evil" and why we are subjected to it. I built a solid foundation based on TLoO for this purpose and my current views are all held in equilibrium within my self.We're subjected to it because we have not accepted it. And necessarily, we do not fully understand "good" for the same reason.
(04-09-2012, 10:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: It's simply an issue with the medium we use to communicate. We can't really go deep enough in each others views to see where it all matches without changing both our views in the process.I agree.
(04-09-2012, 10:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: IMHO this sort of thing is not really possible in 3d to begin with. Maybe with telepathy.Sirians had a social memory complex in 3D, which goes well beyond the general notion of telepathy.
RE: The Hunger Games - Patrick - 04-10-2012
Zen, do you think anything will happen this year ?
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-10-2012
(04-10-2012, 11:31 AM)Valtor Wrote: Zen, do you think anything will happen this year ?What do you mean by 'anything'? I am not expecting anything in particular to happen this year. Why do you ask?
RE: The Hunger Games - Patrick - 04-10-2012
(04-10-2012, 03:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(04-10-2012, 11:31 AM)Valtor Wrote: Zen, do you think anything will happen this year ?
What do you mean by 'anything'? I am not expecting anything in particular to happen this year. Why do you ask?
I asked out of curiosity, in order to better understand your point of view.
RE: The Hunger Games - βαθμιαίος - 04-10-2012
(04-09-2012, 08:41 PM)zenmaster Wrote: People would rather b!tch and moan about someone else not giving them free energy (or rather, their vague, sci-fi or conspiracy tainted ideas of what 'free energy' is supposed to be), like a child crying over wanting something that wasn't earned, than to 'invent it' themselves.
Such a pessimistic view of your fellow mind/body/spirit complexes! Surely some are trying to do the work and not just b!tching and moaning.
RE: The Hunger Games - zenmaster - 04-10-2012
(04-10-2012, 08:10 PM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Surely some are trying to do the work and not just b!tching and moaning.The ones trying to do the work aren't b!tching and moaning.
But I don't view it as pessimistic, why do you? I look at it like I'm looking at Hercules focusing energy about complaining about a bad back or stubbed toe or something, and developing unnecessary, disingenuous, overly complex social patterns (memes) to reinforce the legitimacy of both characterization of problem and response to the problem.
(04-10-2012, 07:36 PM)Valtor Wrote:It seemed like a non sequitur - no context. I guess you don't think your question, in any way, begs the question of 'is something supposed to happen this year?'(04-10-2012, 03:43 PM)zenmaster Wrote:(04-10-2012, 11:31 AM)Valtor Wrote: Zen, do you think anything will happen this year ?
What do you mean by 'anything'? I am not expecting anything in particular to happen this year. Why do you ask?
I asked out of curiosity, in order to better understand your point of view.