(04-09-2012, 09:48 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote:It makes complete sense. People would rather b!tch and moan about someone else not giving them free energy (or rather, their vague, sci-fi or conspiracy tainted ideas of what 'free energy' is supposed to be), like a child crying over wanting something that wasn't earned, than to 'invent it' themselves. Bottom line is that it has not been possible primarily, and very simply due to society's lack of honesty. Taking responsibility for inner work always makes possible the complimentary outer aspect.(04-09-2012, 09:33 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Yes, a few people were aided in understandings, from outside of our society. It did not occur naturally, in our 'social complex', from realized metaphysical principles, due to acceptance of self. What you already are can't be suppressed. You may attempt seed a society with an opportunity, but, like Ra's 'hitchhiker', if the ground is not fertile (metaphysical readiness), there will be no potential for the concepts involved to be accepted.
I think it's too strong to say the ground is not fertile.
(04-09-2012, 09:48 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: Ra said that this has been an intensive battleground, with many, many attempts from both positive and negative to sway the outcome. In my understanding of our history, there have been many nodes where "consensus reality" could have gone one direction or another. One example might be the the Maxwell/Heaviside equations. An example of an intensive battleground, of course, was/is the Ra contact itself.Yes, and you can lead a horse to water but you can't abridge its free will. That will and honesty, and creative potential exists and may be exercised independently of these 'battleground' conditions.
(04-09-2012, 09:48 AM)βαθμιαίος Wrote: We've discussed the hitchhiker analogy before. I don't disagree with you that ultimately the work becomes internal. However, when I say "ultimately" I'm thinking sixth and seventh density.Couple things: it starts out as internal in the first place (that's what ideas are - what the intuition may access), and the hitchhiker analogy evolves and is intended to be with respect to 3rd-density macrocosm/microcosm possibilities. That is, any outer technology is necessarily derived from interior understandings (which is, in turn, supported by the collective understandings), regardless of density.
There is this intriguing bond with the physical manifestation (tech) precisely due to its ability to suggest general metaphysical (microcosmic) principles. Usually these are unconsciously recognized as being (symbolically) transcendent to one's current state of evolution. Jung figured that out many years ago.
(04-09-2012, 10:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: Zen, I believe that I understand what your are saying. It simply does not fully match with my current understanding of why things are the way they are.It's not possible to 'fully match' unless you are only considering some part of it as a convenient abstraction. Ideas may also not be matched if apprehensions are kept at the typical reactive, ad-hoc, intuitive level.
(04-09-2012, 10:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: My personal quest since my awakening has been to find ways that I could fully understand "evil" and why we are subjected to it. I built a solid foundation based on TLoO for this purpose and my current views are all held in equilibrium within my self.We're subjected to it because we have not accepted it. And necessarily, we do not fully understand "good" for the same reason.
(04-09-2012, 10:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: It's simply an issue with the medium we use to communicate. We can't really go deep enough in each others views to see where it all matches without changing both our views in the process.I agree.
(04-09-2012, 10:59 AM)Valtor Wrote: IMHO this sort of thing is not really possible in 3d to begin with. Maybe with telepathy.Sirians had a social memory complex in 3D, which goes well beyond the general notion of telepathy.