Winter Solstice of 2011/ Harvest approaching?

[Tenet Nosce]

In the totality of the Ra Material there are multiple references to the necessity of death in which to incarnate into 4D, during the harvest. There are none that imply ascension (don't get caught up in the terminology here, we know what this means - 3D to 4D) happening within a space/time incarnation.

That's the crux of my point I'm attempting to convey. If you don't agree, that's entirely valid. We can end this discussion there and be on our merry ways :¬)

I mostly agree with the crux of your point. But I don't see it as a counterpoint to what I previously said. I didn't say anything about "ascension" happening within a space/time incarnation. In fact, I don't think I ever said such a thing at any time in this forum. Somehow this mischaracterization of my views keeps following me around here, and I do not fully understand how this came about, or why it continues.

All I -ever- said to this particular point was that I see a possibility that it might be possible for a wanderer to live a simultaneous existence in 3D and 4D, and be able to pass their consciousness between worlds much as one does when passing from the waking to the dream state.

What I was originally commenting on in this particular thread is my feeling that all humans remaining physical post-2012 will indeed be harvestable. As you said, they will be harvested upon death and taken to the 4D earth sphere.

An equal, but opposite, way to say this is that all humans who are not harvestable, will not be remaining physical post-2012. The two statements are logically equivalent.

One does not ascend from 3D to 4D during an incarnation, the bodies are not compatible. Hence, death is necessary.

Right. There are two different bodies. But some wanderers may already have bodies in other densities. There is no cosmic law which says we may only check out one body at a time.

That's my point. 3D are 4D are discrete densities of experience.

Right. Were we arguing about that?

Ironically that's how I feel my friend! :¬)

Yes, as 2012 is nothing but a marker indicating that the process of the harvest is now available to humanity upon death. Something that hasn't been available for the last 25,000 years.

People will die by third density necessities (Ra's words), and will then walk the steps of light, because the anomaly of harvest is upon us in time/space.

People are getting distracted by the 2012 date itself and accompanying prophecies (none I might add, from the Ra Material) of a spontaneous ascension into 4D, either instantly or gradually.

Rather than putting one's efforts into that, it would be wise to spend each day finding love in the moment. That's the real reason we're here.

Got it. Thanks for sharing.

Just for fun - what if one wanted to take the farthest route possible - around the globe? I think you'll find that NYC to LA via heading North is entirely possible :¬)

If they wanted to take the long way, they would need to head east instead of west. Heading north from NYC, one would never reach LA.