(12-08-2011, 01:32 PM)Oceania Wrote: how can we trust this? Q'uo is notoriously fuzzy. it's too soon, i thought we had a year. :/

(12-08-2011, 01:53 PM)Conifer16 Wrote: So your saying that the harvest/whatever you call it will happen this solstice and people will still be able to ignore it till 2012 solstice where it will by then be too obvious to ignore and the planet will have to acknowledge that something is different and will try to figure it out? That's what it sounds like to me and that is similar to what I have been thinking for a while now,that harvest will happen and few will feel it and we will just continue on in our incarnation untill we die however that is and over time it will become physicaly obvious that harvest happened though most will not know what it is that happened. It is hard to put my thoughts onto paper(so to speak)

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

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I would think that some would call it evolution because harvest for me will include greater sense of oneness among all of us and so telepathy will become common in a few decades.

(12-08-2011, 09:22 PM)godwide_void Wrote: So then, the time-frame when there will be noticeable 4D phenomenon/changes occurring (perhaps more noticeable to those who are a bit more sensitive/perceptive to etheric energies) will truly become very apparent in a couple of weeks time?

I deeply respect and rely on the words of Ra as well as Q'uo, despite Ra's words having made mention of the Earth undergoing this monolithic spiritual change in the 1980's, and predicted for 30 years later (this year), I can personally perceive that the reality I am in now is VERY different than the reality I was in, say, 2005 (hell, even earlier this year!), and it is due to my personal observation of changes heralded by their words upon my own consciousness that they have ascertained undeniable credibility in my mind. This entire year has been a very special one. We will have to wait and see what the near future shall bring...

(12-08-2011, 01:32 PM)Oceania Wrote: how can we trust this? Q'uo is notoriously fuzzy. it's too soon, i thought we had a year. :/

(12-08-2011, 10:16 PM)fr33d0m Wrote:

(12-08-2011, 09:22 PM)godwide_void Wrote: So then, the time-frame when there will be noticeable 4D phenomenon/changes occurring (perhaps more noticeable to those who are a bit more sensitive/perceptive to etheric energies) will truly become very apparent in a couple of weeks time?

I deeply respect and rely on the words of Ra as well as Q'uo, despite Ra's words having made mention of the Earth undergoing this monolithic spiritual change in the 1980's, and predicted for 30 years later (this year), I can personally perceive that the reality I am in now is VERY different than the reality I was in, say, 2005 (hell, even earlier this year!), and it is due to my personal observation of changes heralded by their words upon my own consciousness that they have ascertained undeniable credibility in my mind. This entire year has been a very special one. We will have to wait and see what the near future shall bring...

I'm so excited I'm wiggling in my chair. So hard to sit still this close to the finale!

(12-08-2011, 10:22 PM)Gemini Wolf Wrote: I can attest to a different feeling GV now as opposed to even a couple months ago. I notice more the nature of catalyst, and see synchronicites in life. Today I must say I feel much more love than I have before. I had to get through some rough times to get here though. Been through my dark night of the soul a few times over.

I'm at peace now because I've stopped seeking. I now am in a state of being. I think my knowledge of the Law of One put me on this timeline I'm on now.

So can we be in 4D without having a full 4D electrical body? Our body will still be 3D, right? Or is the 3D physical appearance just an illusion and we're really 4D bodies?

Ra Wrote:It is indeed so that all mind/body/spirit complexes shall die to the third-density illusion; that is, that each yellow-ray physical-complex body shall cease to be viable.

(12-09-2011, 10:08 AM)zenmaster Wrote: Ra does talk about the 'quantum leap' in the time frame of years. The vibration has been 'green' for awhile, the '4D matter', however has not been as available as possible, forming as it will under the direction of the local logos, due to societal thought. But apparently, you can only hold off the inevitable for so long.

"40.10 Questioner: I am assuming that this vibratory increase began about twenty to thirty years ago. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The first harbingers of this were approximately forty-five of your years ago, the energies vibrating more intensely through the forty year period preceding the final movement of vibratory matter, shall we say, through the quantum leap, as you would call it."

40.11 Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase of vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage through this increase in vibrational change are we right now?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level."

I don't think the 'final movement' 'over the boundary' to the 'discrete placement' has happened yet.

Harvest is a time/space process, but the effect of instreaming 'green-ray energies' and associated self-reflective catalyst is also a space/time phenomenon. Harvest after death, at the end of the cycle, is due to the local conditions simply no longer being suitable for 3D learning - you can't process certain catalyst, become aware of yourself and others through self-determination, without the veiling in such a (incipient) transparent environment.

Quote:Questioner: Then what will be the time of transition on this planet from third to fourth-density?

Ra: I am Ra. This is difficult to estimate due to the uncharacteristic anomalies of this transition. There are at this space/time nexus beings incarnate which have begun fourth-density work. However, the third-density climate of planetary consciousness is retarding the process. At this particular nexus the possibility/probability vortices indicate somewhere between 100 and 700 of your years as transition period. This cannot be accurate due to the volatility of your peoples at this space/time.

Quote:Questioner: Starting then, forty-five years ago, and taking the entire increase of vibration that we will experience in this density change, approximately what percentage through this increase in vibrational change are we right now?

Ra: I am Ra. The vibratory nature of your environment is true color, green. This is at this time heavily over-woven with the orange ray of planetary consciousness. However, the nature of quanta is such that the movement over the boundary is that of discrete placement of vibratory level.

Quote:Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third-density necessities.

Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

We may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.

(12-09-2011, 12:30 PM)Namaste Wrote: Yes, there is a quantum leap in energy between third and fourth, but in no places does Ra state that quantum leap happens in one's current incarnation.

(12-09-2011, 09:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

(12-10-2011, 12:02 AM)Conifer16 Wrote: What of more visible Exspresion of the 4th density abilities we already express in small ways? Like telepathy. Do you feel that something like that will Happen?

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

(12-09-2011, 11:38 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 09:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote: That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

My understanding is that the 4D sphere is already completed and inhabitable.

(12-10-2011, 01:29 AM)Conifer16 Wrote: Hmm... Good question

Um

Noticing our connection to one another
Not just mentally but emotionally
Conscious communication with others through emotions and thought.

Like the vibrations of 4th density showing us this side of ourselves.

Something like that. It is hard to put into words. I guess it would be termed greater awareness of being aware of being one.

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

(12-10-2011, 12:02 AM)Conifer16 Wrote: What of more visible Exspresion of the 4th density abilities we already express in small ways? Like telepathy. Do you feel that something like that will Happen?

-Conifer16- Adonai Vasu Borragus

(12-09-2011, 11:38 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote: As far as I have been able to discern, the doctrine of eternal life is an STO teaching, while attainment of physical immortality is an STS objective.

(12-09-2011, 09:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 12:30 PM)Namaste Wrote: Yes, there is a quantum leap in energy between third and fourth, but in no places does Ra state that quantum leap happens in one's current incarnation.

But it seems that it could very well do that, considering it's given as a relatively brief time and precise period of 'leading up to'. Again, the quantum leap to which Ra refers is a jump promoting locally available material, due to the relative intensity of space/time 'green' vs 'yellow/orange'. This is not 'full activation', it is part of the transitional period where more and more green material eventually creates a solid planetary sphere. That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

Ra Wrote:Upon the bodily complex death, as you call this transition, the entity will immediately, upon realization of its state, return to the indigo form-maker body and rest therein until the proper future placement is made.

Here we have the anomaly of harvest. In harvest the entity will then transfer its indigo body into violet-ray manifestation as seen in true color yellow. This is for the purpose of gauging the harvestability of the entity. After this anomalous activity has been carefully completed, the entity will move into indigo body again and be placed in the correct true color locus in space/time and time/space at which time the healings and learn/teachings necessary shall be completed and further incarnation needs determined.

(12-10-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 09:47 PM)zenmaster Wrote:

(12-09-2011, 12:30 PM)Namaste Wrote: Yes, there is a quantum leap in energy between third and fourth, but in no places does Ra state that quantum leap happens in one's current incarnation.

But it seems that it could very well do that, considering it's given as a relatively brief time and precise period of 'leading up to'. Again, the quantum leap to which Ra refers is a jump promoting locally available material, due to the relative intensity of space/time 'green' vs 'yellow/orange'. This is not 'full activation', it is part of the transitional period where more and more green material eventually creates a solid planetary sphere. That green sphere is the one which will be eventually inhabited by 3D-harvested entities once their physical vehicle (body) is more completely 4D (post transition).

Indeed, it's entirely possible. The point was to highlight that it's one's own distortion/interpretation of Ra's words to assume we'll reach 4th density during this incarnation, via transition.

(12-10-2011, 06:04 AM)Namaste Wrote: Third and fourth density now co-inhabit the same sphere (3D is ending, 4D is beginning (without getting into the eternal now)). Ra unequivocally states transitioning between them is upon physical death...