Winter Solstice of 2011/ Harvest approaching?

[Namaste]

Likewise brother, we all do it. I have chosen not to cherry pick from non-Ra sources relating to the ascension process, which is what you have yourself done.

Actually, Ra didn't once use the word "ascension". That term was employed by Wilcock, back when he had the ascension2000.com website. I don't subscribe to the notion of the "ascension process" as espoused by DW, so it is unclear how I have cherry-picked from sources to support my belief about it.

But more to your point- I don't cherry-pick from the transcripts. I take each particular comment in the context of the totality of the transcripts, and from there draw my conclusions, and/or make speculations. This is actually the exact opposite of "cherry-picking", which I specifically described in my previous post.

It was merely a reflection; you mentioned picking elements from other channeled sources in which to support your beliefs. Ironically, one could label that cherry picking :¬)

I too do my best to talk in the totality of the material, and in fact, that's the point in making (trying to make). In the totality of the Ra Material there are multiple references to the necessity of death in which to incarnate into 4D, during the harvest. There are none that imply ascension (don't get caught up in the terminology here, we know what this means - 3D to 4D) happening within a space/time incarnation.

That's the crux of my point I'm attempting to convey. If you don't agree, that's entirely valid. We can end this discussion there and be on our merry ways :¬)

I understand Ra holds the perception that death is the gateway to further experience. But that isn't really saying much other than that life doesn't "end" upon death.

Death of the 3D vehicle is the gateway to the harvest in time/space; walking the steps of light.

As for 3D and 4D being "incompatible", I have little idea as to what you mean by this.

Ascension is a process, the raising of one's vibration. The harvest is an event; an aspect of ascension that moves one between densities. One does not ascend from 3D to 4D during an incarnation, the bodies are not compatible. Hence, death is necessary.

If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third-density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

If 2012 passes and I can fly - brilliant.

Yes, you can fly... in 4D. But 3D earth is not becoming 4D earth

That's my point. 3D are 4D are discrete densities of experience.

I'm simply stating that Ra does not mention ascension within this 3D incarnation.

Again, Ra does not mention "ascension", whatsoever. To be frank, I am doubtful you are even responding to my views. You seem to be responding to somebody else's views here. Perhaps if we backed up, this discussion would be more fruitful.

Ironically that's how I feel my friend! :¬)

As mentioned before, the word ascension is just a label. It's the topic of this thread, the move from 3D to 4D.

Would you mind restating my views on this topic, according to your understanding?

I will do the same- it seemed to me that you were saying that people who have not qualified themselves as "harvestable" by the end of 2012 will have the rest of their natural lives to do so. By "natural lives" I took that to mean that somebody whose body is currently aged 30 years will have another 50+ years to pull themselves out of the "sinkhole of indifference". Is this an accurate representation? If not, please correct.

Yes, as 2012 is nothing but a marker indicating that the process of the harvest is now available to humanity upon death. Something that hasn't been available for the last 25,000 years.

People will die by third density necessities (Ra's words), and will then walk the steps of light, because the anomaly of harvest is upon us in time/space.

People are getting distracted by the 2012 date itself and accompanying prophecies (none I might add, from the Ra Material) of a spontaneous ascension into 4D, either instantly or gradually.

Rather than putting one's efforts into that, it would be wise to spend each day finding love in the moment. That's the real reason we're here.

There are an infinite number of ways to travel from NYC to LA. None of them involve heading north.

Just for fun - what if one wanted to take the farthest route possible - around the globe? I think you'll find that NYC to LA via heading North is entirely possible :¬)