(12-15-2011, 07:22 PM)Etude in B Minor Wrote: To be pedantic, this Ra quote does NOT state that Harvest requires death. It merely (as written) describes how Harvest works when Harvest occurs upon death. It is anomalous since the after-death experience is different when Harvest occurs than when it does not.
The Ra quote does not rule out the possibility of Harvest during life. Indeed, it has been stated elsewhere as saying an adept can become Harvestable during life through accessing the gateway to intelligent infinity. I can envision an "acension" process by which a group of living people attain Harvestability through some mass raising of consciousness that results in their accessing intelligent infinity.
Although this is related to dual activated bodies, one would imagine that they have the upper hand with regards to ascension into 4D, and could assume that 3D bodies fall under the same rules.
Quote:Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.
Notice how in this quote, like the other, Ra specifically states that the 3D body dies.
When Ra speaks of the adept becoming harvestable, or enlightened, he mentions something different...
Quote:Questioner: I don’t know if this question is related to what I am trying to get at or not. I’ll ask it and see what results. You mentioned in speaking of the pyramids the resonating chamber was used so that the adept could meet the self. Would you explain what you meant by that?
Ra: I am Ra. One meets the self in the center or deeps of the being. The so-called resonating chamber may be likened unto the symbology of the burial and resurrection of the body wherein the entity dies to self and through this confrontation of apparent loss and realization of essential gain, is transmuted into a new and risen being.
Ra never states that the entity that becomes harvestable ascends into 4D in that incarnation.
(12-15-2011, 07:29 PM)Tenet Nosce Wrote:(12-15-2011, 11:44 AM)Namaste Wrote: We incarnate here; we're offered catalyst; we die (somehow). When we die, thanks to the anomaly of the harvest, we get the chance to ascend to a higher density. If we're ready, we do. If we're not, we don't. It's as simple as that. There is no unfairness as this dance of experience is eternal; each will get all the opportunity then need, equally.
I don't believe that I said anything to contradict this, nor do I consider the process unfair. What I am attempting to convey is that, on an individual basis, those who are unwilling to keep pace with the increasing vibratory frequency of the planet will not be able to maintain physicality here.
Would explain what you expect? Supporting Ra quotes would be appreciated, although I appreciate this takes time :¬)