(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: I agree with the above, but wanted to comment. Perhaps there really isn't a 3D Sunset (sorry, couldn't resist) in our working. Because if 3D is to eventually evolve and rise again on Earth, it would need such light to work with, no? Rather that the 4D Sunrise is so bright that 3D entities will only be temporarily denied incarnation access here, which allows time for the mysterious 4D cloaking / learning to occur. 3D in other words goes in to potentiation as you said, but perhaps this only means that the light is still here to work with, just that it's not going to be used for a while? Or do you think this theory is wrong and that the 3d sun will rise again at some other galactic clock time, shining in the sky along side the 4d (and 2d, 1d) sun again?
I tend to believe the latter, but I'll admit that the Ra material is ambiguous on this. Much is made about the "core vibration" already being 4D rather than 3D. I tend to call this the associated "Light" which is distinct from the light we receive from our sun. There is more to consider along these lines, but ultimately, I don't think it is pertinent to topic at hand, so I would prefer to let it be.
(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Gladly! What do you mean exactly by devolve? It seems to go against nature to see a species devolve if you are meaning in the Darwinian sense (becoming stupider and stupider? (I am resisting inserting political jokes here)). Rather I think our species, Homosapians, will simply evolve in to something else in 4th density so that the Homosapian terminology will no longer really apply. ("Light-bodies", etc.)
By "devolve" I simply mean that homo sapiens would revert back to the point that they were prior to the beginning of 3D (and the modifications subsequently made by Yahweh and others), and these would be incarnated by advanced 2D beings, but still 2D beings working toward the opportunity to graduate to 3D either here or on a different 3D planet. At the same time, I see the DAEs evolving forward into 4D beings as we stated earlier.
(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: That is- someone accidentally bumping in to something that's invisible. That's a pretty big law of confusion buster right there! But there are other issues such as the need to share Earth's natural resources between 3rd and 4th density populations.
By cloaking, I mean much more than hiding from sight. Per Ra's description below, it means "cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density".
Law of One, Book III, Session 62 Wrote:Questioner: Then as the fourth-density vibrations come in this means that the planet can support entities of fourth-density core vibration. Will the planet then still be first-density core vibration and will there be second density entities on it with second-density vibrations, and will there be third density entities on it with third-density vibrations?
Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.
Thus in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.
(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: If you take up the interpretation that "learning to become invisible to 3rd density" means learning how to live more and more in a different dimension of reality altogether (similar to how Ra exists outside of our reality) I think it becomes a bit more elegant.
I agree, but be careful not to confuse living in a different dimension with living in time/space rather than space/time. I tend to shy away from that phrase for that reason. This can easily become another long tangent, but it is important to remember that all spiritual growth through experience happens in space/time and not time/space. Time/space is used for intricately and intimately reviewing those lessons learned and experiences gained in space/time. This holds sway for 4D, 5D and 6D as well as 3D. That is why birth, death and even mundane activities like eating exist in these later densities of space/time. So, you are correct, but bear in mind that this "new dimension" (or as Ra refers to it, the "different plane") is still an extension of space/time and must exist within the constraints of space/time.
(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: The next 3rd density also may not be bipedal humanoids that we are. They may be aquatic, subterranean or plant like beings that might not be easily aware of 4th density life anyways. And maybe our future here on Earth is in floating cities high above the clouds? Any of these scenarios could play out. Without more information (or a safety net) as you mentioned earlier, we're free to speculate.
It is my understanding that our galactic Logos chose the bipedal human form for all its 3D experiences. So, in our galaxy, I think that what you say is incorrect, although it certainly is possible elsewhere. (In the interest of brevity, I'll leave out the quotes here, but PM me if you'd to see them.)
(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: No argument from me on this point! Although it may lead me to speculate on my own status as a D.A.E., considering I have never had paranormal, psychic or meaningful "veil piercing" spiritual experiences myself. The only thing I can accredit myself with is an insatiable hunger for a greater meaning over this last year, which has subverted almost all of my free time away from hobbies and in to metaphysical research. May be that that is my hallmarkYet many 3rd density entities share this attribute. Well whichever it is I am content as you are to share, love and experience the creation and trust that all is well with my path.
Of course, I may be totally wrong on this point, but I'd like to explore it some if you and others are willing. As to your personal experiences, I would say that you are still early in your journey and simply haven't checked all the boxes yet. Put another way, I would say that you have not yet awakened to 4D experiences, whereas others are beginning to. It seems to me that your current state (assuming you are a DAE) is more akin to lucid dreaming than awakening. You are conscious of the fact that you dream, but have not yet awakened to 4D reality (or as much of it as can be experienced by a DAE). I am convinced however that there is a substantive difference between the limits of what can be experienced by piercing the veil as a 3D or DAE and experiencing the 4D Earth by a DAE. By comparison, a 3D entity is vastly restricted in what may be experienced.
I would suggest to you that there is much to be learned from (in particular) fairyfarmgirl, akhtu, and Ali Quadir about the true 4D awakening process. I also feel that achieving this awakening involves using some intuitive, receptive, female energies that you may not be well in touch with. I would suggest also that your recent spiritual movement has coincided with your becoming a father which inherently brings a man more in touch with his innate female energies of caring, nurturing, and acceptance that will serve you in this effort. Separately, and perhaps paradoxically, men tend to view love as a giving process, but must also recognize it as a receiving one.
Enough for now,
3D Sunset