(09-29-2009, 04:19 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Over time, it seems likely that those who need to change planets will complete their purpose here and die more quickly than those that do not. Combine this with the fact that newly born children will be exclusively those evolving to positive 4D on this planet, and the resulting harmony of kindred souls will eventually make even the 3D experience of Earth, in the far coming years, almost paradise compared to today.

(09-29-2009, 08:32 PM)Lavazza Wrote: My rough speculation is that anyone who happens to be alive during the transition will probably need to be dual activated to some degree. Said transition is said by those of Ra and Quo to be between 100 and 700 years. I think most can agree that this time period starts somewhere between 2011-2013. This is effectively the end of 3rd density. After this point the choice of polarity is closed, and the change to 4th density starts.

(09-30-2009, 12:08 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Hi Lavazza,

A lot to talk about here. I'd like to take in bite size pieces, if that's okay.

3D Sunset Wrote:Hmmm. What you say here could get us caught up the instantaneous / gradual debate, but I won't take the bait... I think of the time around 2012 as being like the sunset of 3D (hence my username). But just as the sky doesn't get dark immediately after the sun sinks below the horizon, so too will the 3D light not blink out immediately, it will attenuate over time. During this twilight, which will last several hundred years, I think that both dual activated 3D/4D bodies as well as single activated 3D bodies will continue to live and thrive. I do tend to believe that only dual activated bodies will incarnate after that time, and through the increased intensity of 4D light, an evolutionary spark will happen that will transform, through genetic "mutations" (for lack of a better term) 3D bodies into 4D bodies in a fairly short time (1-2 generations).

3D Sunset Wrote:So, I disagree with part of your premise. I don't think that everyone who's alive now, or even in 20-50 years is or will be dual activated. As I mentioned in my previous post that you quoted, I think that everyone is here with a specific agenda, and they will not leave until the agenda is given an opportunity to play out in the form of preplanned catalysts. From this perspective 2012 will simply be another day, just as Jesus' birth and death were just "other days" to those alive at the time. Only in retrospect have we assigned enough significance to them to start counting our years from then. (By the way, I do think that over time, the year 2012 will become regarded as year 0).

3D Sunset Wrote:As to dual activation, you are certainly of the right age (as are many at this web site, myself not included) to have a dual activated body, but I wouldn't presuppose it of anyone. By the same token, your children are quite likely dual activated, and that I presume is an important reason that you chose each other as family members, and probably an important reason that you found this site and this community in which to learn/teach and teach/learn (in preparation for doing much more so with your family).

3D Sunset Wrote:I'll save some thoughts on what it may mean to be dual activated for my next post. Thanks for stating the thread. I've attempted similar discussion in the past (on this and DC website), but haven't had much traction so far. Given that there are at least two of us interested in the topic though, at least we can have a dialog.

(09-30-2009, 01:45 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Now then, the question is, what do we do with 4th density sunlight, even if it's just a few photons to start with? Your argument is basically that 100% 3rd density wired bodies don't use it at all, and eventually that entity just passes out of the world as the sub-logos shifts it's population to 3rd/4th d. activated bodies.

(09-30-2009, 01:45 PM)Lavazza Wrote: But how does one come to such a conclusion? Has Ra spoken to a certain period where dual-activation begins? Our age difference is not so great that I think we would have a different activation status, and certainly our commonality that we'll both live to see 2012 and beyond makes a case (in my opinion!) that we are both dual-activated, as is anyone whose pre-incarnative plan was to live up to 2012 and/or afterward.

Law of One, Book III, Session 63 Wrote:Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?

Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query.

As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third-density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.

Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.

The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth-density upon this plane.

You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.

Questioner: At present we have, in third-density incarnation on this plane, those third-density entities of the planet Earth who have been here for some number of incarnations who will graduate in the three-way split, either positive polarity remaining for fourth-density experience on this planet, the negative polarity harvestable going to another planet, and the rest unharvestable third-density going to another third-density planet. In addition to these entities I am assuming that we have here some entities already harvestable from other third-density planets who have come here and have incarnated in third-density form to make the transition with this planet into fourth-density, plus Wanderers.

Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct except we may note a small point. The positively oriented harvested entities will remain in this planetary influence but not upon this plane.

Questioner: I think you said there were 60 million Wanderers, approximately, here now. Am I correct in that memory?

Ra: I am Ra. This is approximately correct. There is some excess to that amount.

Questioner: Does that number include the harvestable entities who are coming to this planet for the fourth-density experience?

Ra: I am Ra. No.

Questioner: Approximately how many are here now who have come here from other planets who are third-density harvestable for fourth-density experience?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a recent, shall we say, phenomenon and the number is not yet in excess of 35,000 entities.

Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?

Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.

This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.

To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third density necessities.

Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.

We may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.

Questioner: Would the purpose in transitioning to Earth prior to the complete changeover then be for the experience to be gained here before the harvesting process?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. These entities are not Wanderers in the sense that this planetary sphere is their fourth-density home planet. However, the experience of this service is earned only by those harvested third-density entities which have demonstrated a great deal of orientation towards service-to-others. It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting.

(09-30-2009, 04:41 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: Questioner: Approximately how many are here now who have come here from other planets who are third-density harvestable for fourth-density experience?

Ra: I am Ra. This is a recent, shall we say, phenomenon and the number is not yet in excess of 35,000 entities.

(10-02-2009, 11:45 AM)Lavazza Wrote: So let me state my understanding thus far, in a series of bullet points and offer them for critique:

- Dual-activated entities are those that at the end of their last incarnation were 4th density STO harvestable.
- Instead of moving directly on to 4th density proper, they have chosen to come back to Earth during it's own transition to aid the planet and/or other entities.
- They are "wanderers" in a sense... Having wandered back in to 3rd density.
- They are what many refer to as indigo and crystal children.
- They started incarnating around 1980.
- Not all humans being born at this point are dual-activated.
- After 2012 only dual-activated entities will incarnate.
- this will continue for the duration of the transition period between 3rd & 4th
- at some point near the end of the transition only 4th density entities will continue to be born, and during that generation's lifetime we will have come to 4th density in full.

(10-02-2009, 02:00 PM)3D Sunset Wrote: With that, I think we are in sync. What area would you like to explore next?

• 1800-2000 A.D. Industrial revolution and "high" technology (approximation)
  Ra speaks to some degree about Wanderers who incarnated during this time period to help bring society to a more advanced state via technology. Nikola Tesla, Einstein and others. How does this relate to the harvest? Can we suppose that the introduction of the industrial revolution, electricity, atomic energy, etc. was essential for us to possess prior to the harvest time? Is this due to Wanderers only, or is it in some way related to the fact that the end of a major cycle was only a few hundred years away? Or mere coincidence?
  
• 1947 Roswell
  ...and the start of the UFO phenomenon enters public eye and mass consciousness (confederation "advertising") Again, this mass exposure to UFOs is probably correlated to the fact that harvest time is so near?
  
• 1950's introduction of "first wave" of Wanders
  
• 1960's Major paradigm shifts and the hippie movement
  Inspired by... incoming 4th density light? Or was this a fluke movement in our society as it did not manifest itself in the next generation?
  
• 1970's Major advances again in technology (computers)
  Ra confirms Don's suspicion that much of this technology is either given or seeded information from our ET brethren. Introduction of "second wave" of Wanderers.
  
• 1979 Extremely significant entity Lavazza is born in December of this year ( )
  
• 1980's Ra contact, 1987 energetic shift (perhaps?), Dual Activated entities begin incarnating
  
• 1990's Advent of the internet (perhaps psychological foundation for social memory complex paradigm?). Introduction of "third wave" of Wanderers.
  
• 2000's First generation of D.A. (dual-activated) entities experience their 20's and assume roles in life. Explosion of the internet age.
  
• 2012 End of 3rd density major cycle
  Last of the 3rd density entities are born on Dec 20th 2012, and from that point outward only D.A. entities are born. 4th density vibrations begin (?? Are 4th density vibes coming through only at this point, or have they been ramping up for some time?)
  
• 2130 (approx.) No more 3rd density entities
  Around this time most all of the last 3rd density entities will have moved in to larger life, leaving only dual-activated entities. Earth remains uninhabited by 3rd density for a time.
  
• Unknown year in the future #1- 4th density begins
  Around this time the last of the dual-activated entities move in to larger life leaving only 4th density entities, on a 4th density Earth. (Or, do we suppose that 4th density can commence in full once the last bullet point is reached?) Depending on the number of generations dual-entities take to produce only 4th density entities.
  
• Unknown year in the future #2 - 3rd density entities resume incarnating on Earth
  ... once 4th density entities master the art of making themselves invisible to 3rd density (This we may expand further later, as I am very confused about this concept)
  

(10-05-2009, 10:05 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: (please give me a reference for these waves, I'm not familiar with them).

http://www.llresearch.org/interviews/interview_2007_0610.aspx Wrote:Carla: Yes. The term “wanderer” was used by the Ra group and other Confederation entities in talking about people who, as I described before, decided to enter the Earth plane and take Earth bodies and become natives of planet Earth, so that we would have the right to help. And many, many people have done this. As a matter of fact, I think we are on our third generation of wanderers now. I think the original wanderers were oldsters like me, who were just very focused and dedicated to service. You see a huge outpouring of art, music, the pop stars that were writing spiritually oriented songs like the Beatles, in the late sixties. This is part of that first wave of wanderers.

There was a second wave of wanderers that sometimes gets called, like, Generation X or whatever. They were a second wave of wanderers that were not quite so focused on service to the planet. They suddenly realized that this was a time of tremendous change and they could help themselves to become better people by entering the very rigorous metaphysical atmosphere of the fiery furnace of Planet Earth in late third density.

So you see a lot of people who are very self-involved in their spiritual process. And what they need is not so much to be helped with their process, because they are doing very well with that, but to be reminded that they did come to serve others and that they need to kick that energy up a notch and open up to the whole world. You have to realize that when you work on yourself, you are working on the world. That is how you change the world. You don’t go out and physically try to change the world. You work on yourself. So the second generation of wanderers has that energy to it.

And then the third generation of Wanderers is these Indigo kids that we are seeing now. Information from our Confederation sources, especially the Q’uo group, has it that these Indigo kids are the first graduates of third-density Planet Earth. And what did they do when they got graduated and offered their choice of how they wanted to be of service in fourth density? They decided to come right back here and help the rest of their class graduate.

(10-05-2009, 10:05 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: This is an interesting point (to me at any rate), in that what determines the Confederation's ability to respond is the magnitude of the total 3D call, be it from wanderers or from native 3D entities. So if the Wanderers are able to remember their purpose, then they can add to the call and thus allow more Wanderers who then further add to the call. Although this is off-topic to the current thread, I think it points to a significant opportunity that L&L Research, David Wilcock, and similar sites all offer. You see, by simply increasing the number of awakened Wanderers we are able to significantly increase the magnitude of the call and thus significantly increase the amount of service that can be offered by the Confederation. Since every awakened Wanderer doubles the magnitude of the call, and if only about 10% of the 60M+ Wanderers incarnate in 1981 were awake, then you can just imagine what would happen to the call if it is further doubled by the Dual Activated entities and an increase of newly awakened Wanderers incarnate at present. I suspect that all of these factors are behind the changes we are seeing in the world consciousness.

(10-05-2009, 10:05 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: On some of your other questions, I don't think that any of the information or inventions brought forth in recent centuries was needed for Harvest. I think that they were seeded (or possibly ceded) to 3D Earth by well intentioned entities that came with missions of helping out. Ra says that Tesla, for example, came with the intent of providing plentiful, low cost, energy but was not able to achieve his goal. The same can be said for nuclear power and many types of technology. The existence of Free Will, combined with the presence of oppositely polarized entities and interests, seems to have effectively neutralized the positive benefits intended with these inspirations.

(10-05-2009, 10:05 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: As to when 3D entities will cease to exist on the Earth, I can't argue with your suggested timeline, but I would point that it is based upon the assumption that the current 3D lifespan will hold sway after most 4D negative Harvestable entities have left. Recall that in early 3D, when life was more in keeping with the Law of One, the typical lifespan was 900 years. I don't see why 3D lives couldn't significantly increase after 2012.

(10-05-2009, 10:05 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Lastly, I would reiterate that IMHO, 4D has already begun in that there are 3D positively Harvested entities now incarnate with 4D bodies activated which enable them to use 4D light and vibrations (which are already present) to perform 4D work.

(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: The first, second and third wave of wanderers was something I picked up from an interview with Carla. In reading the text again I see that my memory has fudged the dates just a bit. Here is a quote

(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: I would only comment on your above paragraph that I do not think that the Wanderers are the only ones who are important when it comes to waking up and adding to the call. Any entity who does so is of aid.

(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Consider our comparatively primitive standards of life for at least 74,800 of those years. We've only enjoyed such luxuries for 0.25% of our major cycle.

(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: You mean 3D/4D D.A. entities, right? Since 3d-only entities will be phased out after the end of the cycle.

(10-06-2009, 12:17 PM)Lavazza Wrote: I think certainly we are starting to feel the effects of 4th density as it nears it's sunrise, but I do not think it has actually started, or will start officially until 3rd density is officially finished. Ra spoke of the 'galactic clock' as regards the start and end of cycles, which I think implies a good deal of precision. Our agreement on this is not really necessary to continue this D.A. discussion though.

(10-06-2009, 09:03 PM)Lavazza Wrote: So, what I'm wondering about next is this concept of Earth becoming abandoned, and eventually re inhabited with 3rd density entities. Also the idea of 4th density learning to become invisible to said 3rd density entities. What exactly does this mean to you?

I take it... the "abandoning" by 3rd density is the natural die-off that we've already covered ground with. Will then 3rd density evolve from 2nd density in a similar fashion that has already happened with our 3rd density? I.e. certain groups of apes (or maybe some other species this time) will become more and more aware, and via Darwinian evolution become self-aware beings? Or will 3rd density return to Earth again by some other means?

(10-06-2009, 09:03 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Then the learning by 4th density to become invisible. I have trouble with this idea, unless it is explained by different dimensions of reality or space/time? At this point on earth we have a large population with many cities and other obvious things. Is it that we learn to make every trace of our existence invisible like a super-hero would, or is it that we actually exist in a different realty? But if the former, what is there to learn exactly? I am obviously quite confused.

(10-06-2009, 09:03 PM)Lavazza Wrote: This also raises additional confusion on my part of what Quo and friends mean when they say that 4th density Earth already exists along side 3rd density Earth. Metaphor? Or extra dimension? Or... fancy way of saying we are getting 4th density light at this time?

(10-07-2009, 11:12 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: To me, a planet's xD body is activated if it is receiving xD light and interacting with xD entities incarnate on that plane. The extent to which it is activated, is a function of the number of entities interacting with it. So today we have both Earth's 3D and 4D bodies active (as well as 1D and 2D obviously). Thusly, when Earth is no longer receiving 3D light and has no 3D entities on it, it's 3D body fades out and moves from an activated to a potentiated state.

(10-07-2009, 11:12 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: So it is plausible to think that the current form could actually "devolve" back into a 2D form simultaneous with the DAEs evolving into 4D. This is something that never occurred to me until you asked the question, but I see it as plausible as the complete elimination of homo sapiens and the future re-evolution of a similar bipedal form. We can explore this fascinating concept in greater detail if you are you'd like.

(10-07-2009, 11:12 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Here again, I'm working without a net, but my instinct is to think that the entities themselves (once fully evolved to 4D form, not DAEs) will be able to cloak their existence from 3D beings through thought. As to the structures, etc. of their existence, I have a few possible solutions.

(10-07-2009, 11:12 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Following on the discussion about 3D Earth going into potentiation, I see the full activation of Earth's 4D body as happening through a combination of the increasing 4D light available and a pulling force cause by the DAEs beginning to interact with it - sort of pulling it into full activation. I think that there are several examples around this site of DAEs that are presently (and unknowingly) interacting with Earth's increasingly space/time manifest 4D body. Both fairyfarmgirl (in post #13 above) and akhtu among others recently described examples (to me at least) of these interactions. I think that these experiences would be fascinating to explore and compare in more detail on this thread, if we consider them as experiences of DAE's on the 4D Earth. (By the way, yes I am saying that I believe fairyfarmgirl, akhtu, Eddie, you Lavazza, and others are DAEs.) What you hear in these discussions are people that occupy the same space/time, but are clearly on a different "plane".

(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: I agree with the above, but wanted to comment. Perhaps there really isn't a 3D Sunset (sorry, couldn't resist) in our working. Because if 3D is to eventually evolve and rise again on Earth, it would need such light to work with, no? Rather that the 4D Sunrise is so bright that 3D entities will only be temporarily denied incarnation access here, which allows time for the mysterious 4D cloaking / learning to occur. 3D in other words goes in to potentiation as you said, but perhaps this only means that the light is still here to work with, just that it's not going to be used for a while? Or do you think this theory is wrong and that the 3d sun will rise again at some other galactic clock time, shining in the sky along side the 4d (and 2d, 1d) sun again?

(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Gladly! What do you mean exactly by devolve? It seems to go against nature to see a species devolve if you are meaning in the Darwinian sense (becoming stupider and stupider? (I am resisting inserting political jokes here)). Rather I think our species, Homosapians, will simply evolve in to something else in 4th density so that the Homosapian terminology will no longer really apply. ("Light-bodies", etc.)

(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: That is- someone accidentally bumping in to something that's invisible. That's a pretty big law of confusion buster right there! But there are other issues such as the need to share Earth's natural resources between 3rd and 4th density populations.

Law of One, Book III, Session 62 Wrote:Questioner: Then as the fourth-density vibrations come in this means that the planet can support entities of fourth-density core vibration. Will the planet then still be first-density core vibration and will there be second density entities on it with second-density vibrations, and will there be third density entities on it with third-density vibrations?

Ra: You must see the Earth, as you call it, as being seven Earths. There is red, orange, yellow, and there will soon be a completed green color vibratory locus for fourth-density entities which they will call Earth. During the fourth-density experience, due to the lack of development of fourth density entities, the third-density planetary sphere is not useful for habitation since the early fourth-density entity will not know precisely how to maintain the illusion that fourth-density cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density.

Thus in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energy nexi of your planet will be activated while the yellow is in potentiation along with the blue and the indigo.

(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: If you take up the interpretation that "learning to become invisible to 3rd density" means learning how to live more and more in a different dimension of reality altogether (similar to how Ra exists outside of our reality) I think it becomes a bit more elegant.

(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: The next 3rd density also may not be bipedal humanoids that we are. They may be aquatic, subterranean or plant like beings that might not be easily aware of 4th density life anyways. And maybe our future here on Earth is in floating cities high above the clouds? Any of these scenarios could play out. Without more information (or a safety net) as you mentioned earlier, we're free to speculate.

(10-08-2009, 05:10 PM)Lavazza Wrote: No argument from me on this point! Although it may lead me to speculate on my own status as a D.A.E., considering I have never had paranormal, psychic or meaningful "veil piercing" spiritual experiences myself. The only thing I can accredit myself with is an insatiable hunger for a greater meaning over this last year, which has subverted almost all of my free time away from hobbies and in to metaphysical research. May be that that is my hallmark Yet many 3rd density entities share this attribute. Well whichever it is I am content as you are to share, love and experience the creation and trust that all is well with my path.

(10-09-2009, 10:44 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: By "devolve" I simply mean that homo sapiens would revert back to the point that they were prior to the beginning of 3D (and the modifications subsequently made by Yahweh and others), and these would be incarnated by advanced 2D beings, but still 2D beings working toward the opportunity to graduate to 3D either here or on a different 3D planet. At the same time, I see the DAEs evolving forward into 4D beings as we stated earlier.

(10-09-2009, 10:44 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: By cloaking, I mean much more than hiding from sight. Per Ra's description below, it means "cannot be seen or determined from any instrumentation available to any third-density".

I agree, but be careful not to confuse living in a different dimension with living in time/space rather than space/time.

(10-09-2009, 10:44 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: It is my understanding that our galactic Logos chose the bipedal human form for all its 3D experiences. So, in our galaxy, I think that what you say is incorrect, although it certainly is possible elsewhere. (In the interest of brevity, I'll leave out the quotes here, but PM me if you'd to see them.)

(10-09-2009, 10:44 AM)3D Sunset Wrote: Of course, I may be totally wrong on this point, but I'd like to explore it some if you and others are willing. As to your personal experiences, I would say that you are still early in your journey and simply haven't checked all the boxes yet...

I would suggest to you that there is much to be learned from (in particular) fairyfarmgirl, akhtu, and Ali Quadir about the true 4D awakening process. I also feel that achieving this awakening involves using some intuitive, receptive, female energies that you may not be well in touch with. I would suggest also that your recent spiritual movement has coincided with your becoming a father which inherently brings a man more in touch with his innate female energies of caring, nurturing, and acceptance that will serve you in this effort. Separately, and perhaps paradoxically, men tend to view love as a giving process, but must also recognize it as a receiving one.

fairyfarmgirl Wrote:A way to begin is to begin learning about ones Chakras and inherent energy system. As you learn about your energy system you will then come to new insights as to how your energy system works... you will start to feel a sense of WONDER concerning the universe around you. Male tend to feel unconditional LOVE as a sense of WONDER (or in a state of AWE).

(10-12-2009, 12:23 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Not to make a mountain out of a mole-hill as this is not the most important thing, but who would be left on Earth to keep the Homo sapians in production since the only ones remaining on Earth after the transition will be DAE's or 4D's? Working from the assumption that DAE's and 4D's only produce more DAE's (and eventually, only) 4D's.

(10-12-2009, 12:23 PM)Lavazza Wrote: This information resonated when I read it. I didn't correlate before now the seeming coincidence of becoming a father and then roughly a year later becoming intensely interested in my spirituality and the esoteric in general. I am totally open to exploring this personal aspect of my development further on this thread so that others who may be following could gain similar insight. I do not mean to subvert the thread towards my own personal development, but since I may be a DAE (?) in the process of activation, it may be a worthwhile investigation. Anyone else who suspects the same of themselves should also throw down and join the fray!

Is it just a matter of developing the feminine side, or are there other things one could do? Or things one could cease doing? I realize this question is very open ended and may not yield clear results.

(10-12-2009, 01:33 PM)fairyfarmgirl Wrote: With the opening of the HEART the whole chakra systems balances automatically. It is the HEART of the Matter so to speak. To rise the kundalini without opening the HEART creates imbalance... It is the HEART that matters.

3D Sunset Wrote:In this scenario, children would continue to be born, but rather than evolving toward 4D, they would participate in the decline of civilization that would ultimately result in 2D homo sapiens. I'm not saying that I'm now inclined to believe this, but I think it is an intriguing theory that may be worth additional thought.

3D Sunset Wrote:The process that to you go through (chakra balancing, opening of the heart, etc.) will benefit you regardless of whether or not you are a DAE. If you are a DAE you will progress more quickly and be able to go farther than if you are not. This knowledge will also serve you well to help work your children through the process if/when necessary. Speaking from my personal experience, I have been working with the processes for over 20 years and reached a plateau after about 3-5 years. Since then I continue to focus on the balancing process, which is needed daily and am quite at peace with the world and my position in it. I long ago gained the conviction that everything that happens, happens for a reason, it just may not be evident what that reason is to those of us actually experiencing the "things".

3D Sunset Wrote:Male energies drive us to constantly dominate, manage, and control our environment, whereas female energies tend to accept, nurture and embrace our environment. The point is not that one is better than the other, but both must be present and balanced and used appropriately during the process.

3D Sunset Wrote:You seem to have an abundance of male energies, so I am suggesting that you seek to balance these with more female energies. This is particularly easy to do with a new born in the house. I'm sure that you already take turns feeding, bathing and interacting with the new addition. I always found that this was a good way to get in touch with those energies. Just a suggestion.