(09-30-2009, 01:45 PM)Lavazza Wrote: Now then, the question is, what do we do with 4th density sunlight, even if it's just a few photons to start with? Your argument is basically that 100% 3rd density wired bodies don't use it at all, and eventually that entity just passes out of the world as the sub-logos shifts it's population to 3rd/4th d. activated bodies.
Actually no, I do think that 3D bodies can use 4D light in some crude ways, and Ra discusses how the nature of 4D vibrational light is already leading to thoughts becoming things in 3D (recall how anger can become cancer in our thought/form discussion earlier). But the extent to which a 3D m/b/s can use 4D vibrational light is similar to the efficiency in energy production of burning hydrogen compared to that of fusing two hydrogen atoms together. I do feel that a 3D m/b/s must have some 3D light to continue to thrive, but as I said, as the 3D sun sets, there will be ample, but waning, twilight to keep those that have reason to remain viable for some time to come.
I agree that there is a 4D sunrise concomitant with the 3D sunset. I was merely looking at things from the perspective of a 3D m/b/s in order to elucidate my point about 3D versus combined 3D/4D wiring. A combined 3D/4D m/b/s can experience some aspects of the newly born 4D Earth. But even they must die and be reborn as 4D m/b/s to experience it fully.
(09-30-2009, 01:45 PM)Lavazza Wrote: But how does one come to such a conclusion? Has Ra spoken to a certain period where dual-activation begins? Our age difference is not so great that I think we would have a different activation status, and certainly our commonality that we'll both live to see 2012 and beyond makes a case (in my opinion!) that we are both dual-activated, as is anyone whose pre-incarnative plan was to live up to 2012 and/or afterward.
Actually yes. The following passage is rich with information about the dual activated entities and the transition to 4D. Please forgive me for including such a lengthy quote, but I find it all pertinent and it pains me try to break it up. I have taken the liberty of adding emphasis on certain areas that are most applicable to your questions above.
Law of One, Book III, Session 63 Wrote:Questioner: I would like to continue with the questions about the fact that in fourth-density the red, orange, and green energies will be activated; yellow, blue, etc. being in potentiation. Right now, we have green energies activated. They have been activated for the last 45 years. I am wondering about the transition through this period so that the green is totally activated and the yellow is in potentiation. What will we lose as the yellow goes from activation into potentiation, and what will we gain as green comes into total activation, and what is the process?
Ra: I am Ra. It is misleading to speak of gains and losses when dealing with the subject of the cycle’s ending and the green-ray cycle beginning upon your sphere. It is to be kept in the forefront of the faculties of intelligence that there is one creation in which there is no loss. There are progressive cycles for experiential use by entities. We may now address your query.
As the green-ray cycle or the density of love and understanding begins to take shape the yellow-ray plane or Earth which you now enjoy in your dance will cease to be inhabited for some period of your space/time as the space/time necessary for fourth-density entities to learn their ability to shield their density from that of third is learned. After this period there will come a time when third-density may again cycle on the yellow-ray sphere.
Meanwhile there is another sphere, congruent to a great extent with yellow ray, forming. This fourth-density sphere coexists with first, second, and third. It is of a denser nature due to the rotational core atomic aspects of its material. We have discussed this subject with you.
The fourth-density entities which incarnate at this space/time are fourth density in the view of experience but are incarnating in less dense vehicles due to desire to experience and aid in the birth of fourth-density upon this plane.
You may note that fourth-density entities have a great abundance of compassion.
Questioner: At present we have, in third-density incarnation on this plane, those third-density entities of the planet Earth who have been here for some number of incarnations who will graduate in the three-way split, either positive polarity remaining for fourth-density experience on this planet, the negative polarity harvestable going to another planet, and the rest unharvestable third-density going to another third-density planet. In addition to these entities I am assuming that we have here some entities already harvestable from other third-density planets who have come here and have incarnated in third-density form to make the transition with this planet into fourth-density, plus Wanderers.
Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct except we may note a small point. The positively oriented harvested entities will remain in this planetary influence but not upon this plane.
Questioner: I think you said there were 60 million Wanderers, approximately, here now. Am I correct in that memory?
Ra: I am Ra. This is approximately correct. There is some excess to that amount.
Questioner: Does that number include the harvestable entities who are coming to this planet for the fourth-density experience?
Ra: I am Ra. No.
Questioner: Approximately how many are here now who have come here from other planets who are third-density harvestable for fourth-density experience?
Ra: I am Ra. This is a recent, shall we say, phenomenon and the number is not yet in excess of 35,000 entities.
Questioner: Now these entities incarnate into a third-density vibratory body. I am trying to understand how this transition takes place from third to fourth-density. I will take the example of one of these entities of which we are speaking who is now in a third-density body. He will grow older and then will it be necessary that he die from the third-density physical body and reincarnate in a fourth-density body for that transition?
Ra: I am Ra. These entities are those incarnating with what you may call a double body in activation. It will be noted that the entities birthing these fourth-density entities experience a great feeling of, shall we say, the connection and the use of spiritual energies during pregnancy. This is due to the necessity for manifesting the double body.
This transitional body is one which will be, shall we say, able to appreciate fourth-density vibratory complexes as the instreaming increases without the accompanying disruption of the third-density body. If a third-density entity were, shall we say, electrically aware of fourth-density in full, the third density electrical fields would fail due to incompatibility.
To answer your query about death, these entities will die according to third density necessities.
Questioner: You are saying, then, that for the transition from third to fourth-density for one of the entities with doubly activated bodies, in order to make the transition the third-density body will go through the process of what we call death. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. The third and fourth, combination, density’s body will die according to the necessity of third-density mind/body/spirit complex distortions.
We may respond to the heart of your question by noting that the purpose of such combined activation of mind/body/spirit complexes is that such entities, to some extent, conscientiously are aware of those fourth-density understandings which third-density is unable to remember due to the forgetting. Thus fourth-density experience may be begun with the added attraction to an entity oriented toward service-to-others of dwelling in a troubled third-density environment and offering its love and compassion.
Questioner: Would the purpose in transitioning to Earth prior to the complete changeover then be for the experience to be gained here before the harvesting process?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. These entities are not Wanderers in the sense that this planetary sphere is their fourth-density home planet. However, the experience of this service is earned only by those harvested third-density entities which have demonstrated a great deal of orientation towards service-to-others. It is a privilege to be allowed this early an incarnation as there is much experiential catalyst in service to other-selves at this harvesting.
I was 21 years old when this information was channeled, you were 18 months old. By no definition of the word was I a child at that time, and by no definition of the word were you anything other than a child. So you see even though our age difference is small, it is still enough to exclude me, but include you. I do not concern myself with such matters, though. I am confident that I will remain here for as long as I am needed. After that, I will move on to my next adventure, be it back to Earth for 4D, off to another 3D planet, or perhaps back to a higher plane.
There is much more to discover and discuss in the above quote. I'll refer to it again in my next post. Note for starters, the last section I emphasized. This indicates that the veil is much thinner for dual activated entities. This has several interesting possible implications.
Love and light,
3D Sunset