Y, I'll take the time in my next post to answer yours properly.
In the meantime I will ask this. Are you trying to convince me of anything or just interested in my opinion ? More to the point, what are you interested in getting from our discussion ?
EDIT:
It would actually be interesting to know this from all actors here.
So I'll start. What I am interested in is in sharing of myself per se. If I am countering an argument, it is not in order to convince. It is just me sharing how I see the very same picture that we are all staring at. It is to inform only. I appreciate getting the point of view from others for the same reason, it informs me. So under this light, there should not be any frustrations and instead a sense of gladness and elation at the opportunity to know more about what is painted on the other side of the big rock standing in the middle of our gathering. We are in a circle around a big rock with one big circular painting all around it. This painting is telling a great story that will be hard to put into words. I can only see the part of the painting directly in front of me. By telling me in words the part of the painting you see on your side, I can start getting a better idea of what the whole painting is actually showing. It's impossible for me to see this whole painting all by myself.
Now we can only do this using words, so we can only try to imagine what that part of the image actually looks like. And this process is so distorted that it's nearly impossible to actually imagine the image as it actually is from the other side of the circle.
This means, in other words, that it is nearly impossible to all agree on what the whole image around that rock is actually showing. It's nearly impossible to all agree on what that great story is telling. That great story in itself is always and ever the same. In time/space the image becomes painfully obvious. I am saying painfully, because often entities will get the big DUH! after the incarnation.
In the meantime I will ask this. Are you trying to convince me of anything or just interested in my opinion ? More to the point, what are you interested in getting from our discussion ?
EDIT:
It would actually be interesting to know this from all actors here.
So I'll start. What I am interested in is in sharing of myself per se. If I am countering an argument, it is not in order to convince. It is just me sharing how I see the very same picture that we are all staring at. It is to inform only. I appreciate getting the point of view from others for the same reason, it informs me. So under this light, there should not be any frustrations and instead a sense of gladness and elation at the opportunity to know more about what is painted on the other side of the big rock standing in the middle of our gathering. We are in a circle around a big rock with one big circular painting all around it. This painting is telling a great story that will be hard to put into words. I can only see the part of the painting directly in front of me. By telling me in words the part of the painting you see on your side, I can start getting a better idea of what the whole painting is actually showing. It's impossible for me to see this whole painting all by myself.
Now we can only do this using words, so we can only try to imagine what that part of the image actually looks like. And this process is so distorted that it's nearly impossible to actually imagine the image as it actually is from the other side of the circle.
This means, in other words, that it is nearly impossible to all agree on what the whole image around that rock is actually showing. It's nearly impossible to all agree on what that great story is telling. That great story in itself is always and ever the same. In time/space the image becomes painfully obvious. I am saying painfully, because often entities will get the big DUH! after the incarnation.