(02-11-2021, 11:50 AM)Minyatur Wrote:(02-10-2021, 07:21 PM)Glow Wrote: We have independent will. Individualized creator has a path, no one is “free” though.
Research on this shows the subconscious makes decisions even though the conscious mind thinks it does.
It’s like input in, all collected data leads to choice A or B
Ra adding information not requested changes the subconscious awareness therefore would change the data, and therefore the individuated consciousness’s path. Infringing on that free/independent will by altering their path with info not sought.
This is yet another reason forgiveness or judgment makes no sense.
Until a consiousness is given new data it can only do as it has been programmed via data.
To me that sounds like only recognizing humans as mind/body complexes rather than mind/body/spirit complexes. Also, it is to note that this is the density in which self-awareness grows and that this is veiled to an extent, so I don't think the power of individuated free will is at its strongest within our experience and instead develops through time. The dynamic that you speak of is because of the veil between the conscious and subconscious mind, which causes both of them to be largely unaware of the other in how we develop through them. Prior to the veil, I believe there was no such dynamics and the part of ourselves we consider conscious, and relate more strongly to, simply had more resources to itself that are now subconscious.
Free will is the most primal component of our experience from which everything stems. Then there are layers and layers of distortions that were generated by free will in weighting it down and constricting it into a more finite and complex experience. So to a large extent on the surface you may seem to merely be your environment, but more fundamentally beneath it all you are free will and the nature of it evolves through the densities.
The fallacy of forgiveness and judgment, which I agree with in terms of perceiving separation, is more rooted in that everything has the One as its source and so reflect what this One is. The circumstances are then holographic and the constant that is reflected is free will.
To go back to the thread, I do not believe it is possible in any way to infringe upon the first distortion of free will. Merely its extension generated by the Logos through the usage of the veil.
Awesome thoughts. I guess I should clarify, 1 I see that which we come in with as part of the "data" of the subconscious. So biases, distortions, energy leanings, ways of perception in born. To most that never awaken to higher energy centers or spiritual communion this is about as much mind/body/spirit as they get access to. So still this fits my understanding of lack of true "free will".
Where this changes is like you mentioned when one thins the veil, or starts to awaken and if they do the work, take the reins. This is not really of 3D though this is starting the work of higher energies than green ray activation. To choose catalyst as Ra says, in doing that one chooses what new catalytic experience to seek to change subconscious bias.
Same with the balancing exercises, have a bias toward sorrow or hatred, or anger, or whatever - choose new catalyst to balance it or work in consciousness on the balancing exercises to be less at the whims of the subconscious but instead drive and exert some form of actual FREE independent will.
There are also other ways of seeking to reprogram the subconscious if you utilize certain keys but still it is just adding a step to Ra's instructions on balancing and choosing catalyst. Once the subconscious is made more conscious the spirit can really shine through and though that is not the work of 3D yes more and more one would be able to be FREE.
I hope that wasn't to annoying to read, if you did. It is one of the adventures I have been taking the last year and a half in a more focused way. I wish all selves this freedom from the tangle of subconscious programing. To get to sort the tangle out, (blue ray?) and then choose the direction to take with the knew clearer understanding of self feels pretty wonderful.
Thanks for the conversation, it's ok if it doesn't vibe, it's just my perception, law of confusion of course, it was just kind of cool getting to explore it with another with Ra back ground. Your thoughts were ones I considered but ultimately found still fit the understanding. Add cosmic energies at birth and through ones life and it gets to be pretty beautiful like a tapestry.