Quote:63.16 Questioner: There are many children now who demonstrate the ability to bend metal mentally which is a fourth-density phenomenon. Would most of these children, then, be this type of entity of which we speak?


Ra: I am Ra. This is correct.

63.17 Questioner: Is the reason that they can do this and the fifth- and sixth-density Wanderers who are here cannot do it the fact that they have the fourth-density body in activation?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. Wanderers are third-density activated in mind/body/spirit and are subject to the forgetting which can only be penetrated with disciplined meditation and working.

63.18 Questioner: I am assuming that the reason for this is that, first, since the entities of harvestable third density who have very recently come here, they’re coming here late enough so that they will not affect the, shall I say, polarization through their teachings. They are not infringing on the first distortion because they are children now and they won’t be old enough to really affect any of the polarization until the transition is well into transition. However, the Wanderers who came here and are older and have a greater ability to affect [polarization] must do that affecting as a function of their ability to penetrate the forgetting process in order to be within the first distortion. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is quite correct.

Quote:65.19 Questioner: [chuckles] Thank you. The forgetting process was puzzling me because you said that the fourth-density activated people who were here who had been harvestable did not have the same forgetting problem. Could you tell me why the Wanderer loses his memory?


Ra: I am Ra. The reason is twofold. First, the genetic properties of the connection between the mind/body/spirit complex and the cellular structure of the body is different for third density than for third/fourth density.

Secondly, the free will of third-density entities needs be preserved. Thus Wanderers volunteer for third-density genetic or DNA connections to the mind/body/spirit complex. The forgetting process can be penetrated to the extent of the Wanderer remembering what it is and why it is upon the planetary sphere. However, it would be an infringement if Wanderers penetrated the forgetting so far as to activate the more dense bodies and thus be able to live, shall we say, in a god-like manner. This would not be proper for those who have chosen to serve.

The new fourth-density entities which are becoming able to demonstrate various newer abilities are doing so as a result of the present experience, not as a result of memory. There are always a few exceptions, and we ask your forgiveness for constant barrages of over-generalization.

Quote:73.14 Questioner: An observation of the working itself by another entity would seem to me to partially abridge free will in that a seemingly magical occurrence had taken place as a result of the working of an adept. This could be extended to any phenomenon which is other than normally acceptable. Could you speak on this paradox that is immediately the problem of anyone doing healing?


Ra: I am Ra. We are humble messengers of the Law of One. To us there are no paradoxes. The workings which seem magical and, therefore, seem to infringe upon free will do not, in themselves, do so, for the distortions of perception are as many as the witnesses and each witness sees what it desires to see. Infringement upon free will occurs in this circumstance only if the entity doing the working ascribes the authorship of this event to its self or its own skills. Those who state that no working comes from it but only through it is infringing upon free will.*

* Ra meant to say “not infringing” on free will. See the next question and answer.

73.15 Questioner: You said that if the entity says that no working comes from it but only through it it is also infringing. Is that correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is incorrect. We said that in that event there is no infringement.

Quote:33.1 Questioner: In our last session you cautioned “each to look well to the vital energies necessary for nondepletion of the instrument and the contact level.” Did that mean that we should— that Jim and I should look at the instrument’s— or be careful of the instrument’s vital energies or be careful of our own vital energies?

Ra: I am Ra. Each entity is responsible for itself. The mechanics of this process taking place involve firstly, the use of the physical bodily complex of third density with its accompanying physical material in order to voice these words. Thus this instrument needs to watch its vital energies carefully, for we do not wish to deplete this instrument. Secondly, the function of the supporting group may be seen to be firstly, that of protection for this contact; secondly, that of energizing the instrument and intensifying its vital energies.

This supporting group has always, due to an underlying harmony, been of a very stable nature as regards protection in love and light, thus ensuring the continuation of this narrow-band contact. However, the vital energies of either of the supporting members being depleted, the instrument must then use a larger portion of its vital energies, thus depleting itself more than would be profitable on a long-term basis.

Please understand that we ask your apology for this infringement upon your free will. However, it is our distortion/understanding that you would prefer this information rather than, being left totally to your own dedication distortions, deplete the instrument or deplete the group to the point where the contact cannot be sustained.

Quote:44.7 Questioner: I think that it might be a good idea if we terminated the contact at this time to allow the instrument to gain more necessary energy before continuing. This is my decision at this time. I would very much like to continue the contact, but it seems to me, although I can’t tell the instrument’s level, that the instrument should not use up any more energy.

Ra: I am Ra. We are responding to an unasked query. However, it is most salient and therefore we beg your forgiveness for this infringement. The energy has been lost to the instrument, dedicated to this purpose only. You may do as you will, but this is the nature of the instrument’s preparation for contact and is the sole reason we may use it

Quote:16.9 Questioner: If the Orion group was able to land, would this increase their polarization? What I am trying to get at is, is it better for them to work behind the scenes and get recruits, shall we say, from our planet, the person on our planet going towards service to self strictly on his own using his free will, or is it just as good for the Orion group to land upon our planet and demonstrate remarkable powers and get people like that?

Ra: I am Ra. The first instance is, in the long run, shall we put it, more salubrious for the Orion group in that it does not infringe upon the Law of One by landing and, thus, does its work through those of this planet. In the second circumstance, a mass landing would create a loss of polarization due to the infringement upon the free will of the planet. However, it would be a gamble. If the planet then were conquered and became part of the Empire, the free will would then be re-established. This is restrained in action due to the desire of the Orion group to progress towards the One Creator. This desire to progress inhibits the group from breaking the Law of Confusion

Quote:31.14 Questioner: I was thinking more of the possibility of the Orion group having influenced, say, certain members of the Third Reich who I have read reports of having sexual gratification from the observation of the, in some cases, the gassing and killing of entities in the gas chambers.

Ra: I am Ra. We shall repeat these entities had the potential for sexual energy buildup. The choice of stimulus is certainly the choice of the entity. In the case of which you speak, these entities were strongly polarized orange ray, thus finding the energy blockage of power over others, the putting to death being the ultimate power over others; this then being expressed in a sexual manner, though solitary.

In this case the desire would continue unabated and be virtually unquenchable.

You will find, if you observe the entire spectrum of sexual practices among your peoples, that there are those who experience such gratification from domination over others either from rape or from other means of domination. In each case this is an example of energy blockage which is sexual in its nature.

(02-10-2021, 02:52 PM)Patrick Wrote: If I remember correctly, Ra mentions that killing someone else is the ultimate abrogation of free will in between 3D people?

EDIT: Here is the quote

Quote:31.14 Questioner: I was thinking more of the possibility of the Orion group having influenced, say, certain members of the Third Reich who I have read reports of having sexual gratification from the observation of the, in some cases, the gassing and killing of entities in the gas chambers.

Ra: I am Ra. We shall repeat these entities had the potential for sexual energy buildup. The choice of stimulus is certainly the choice of the entity. In the case of which you speak, these entities were strongly polarized orange ray, thus finding the energy blockage of power over others, the putting to death being the ultimate power over others; this then being expressed in a sexual manner, though solitary.

In this case the desire would continue unabated and be virtually unquenchable.

You will find, if you observe the entire spectrum of sexual practices among your peoples, that there are those who experience such gratification from domination over others either from rape or from other means of domination. In each case this is an example of energy blockage which is sexual in its nature.

Anyway, it's how I interpreted it.

(02-10-2021, 03:59 PM)Spaced Wrote: I would be interested in seeing something from the material that supports the idea that control is the same as free will infringement. It seems to me that Ra is, as ever, very precise in their use of the term.

(02-10-2021, 04:55 PM)flofrog Wrote: Great thread.   In  a way I am with Diana for one reason :  Ra would not even engage on any subject unless Don broached a question on a specific one, so in a way, Ra would not control the discussion....  

(02-10-2021, 03:20 PM)Spaced Wrote: ...I don't see any mention of free will in this passage...

(02-10-2021, 03:59 PM)Spaced Wrote: I would be interested in seeing something from the material that supports the idea that control is the same as free will infringement. It seems to me that Ra is, as ever, very precise in their use of the term.

(02-10-2021, 11:57 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 03:59 PM)Spaced Wrote: I would be interested in seeing something from the material that supports the idea that control is the same as free will infringement. It seems to me that Ra is, as ever, very precise in their use of the term.

Ever consider that Ra explicitly conveying that could be an infringement? Although it really feels implied as it's one of the biggest take aways I've had from the LOO, but I was receiving channeled material concurrently as well so maybe it got reinforced differently.

Quote:To me (and I believe this to be widely interpreted) that the infringement of ones free will is inherently a polarizing action and creates karma. It is a delicate line to tread (like the parent child relationship) that makes up the experience, and is part of this illusionary school for spiritual learning. But to believe that you can infringe on someone's free will (i.e. the first distortion) without consequence is quite frankly silly, and I think ignores the over-arching message of the material.

(02-11-2021, 12:29 AM)Spaced Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 11:57 PM)zedro Wrote:

(02-10-2021, 03:59 PM)Spaced Wrote: I would be interested in seeing something from the material that supports the idea that control is the same as free will infringement. It seems to me that Ra is, as ever, very precise in their use of the term.

Ever consider that Ra explicitly conveying that could be an infringement? Although it really feels implied as it's one of the biggest take aways I've had from the LOO, but I was receiving channeled material concurrently as well so maybe it got reinforced differently.

Well, no because Ra describes many examples of what infringement is and if that wasn't an infringement then why would this be? It seems to me they are being very clear about what infringement of free will is.

Quote:To me (and I believe this to be widely interpreted) that the infringement of ones free will is inherently a polarizing action and creates karma. It is a delicate line to tread (like the parent child relationship) that makes up the experience, and is part of this illusionary school for spiritual learning. But to believe that you can infringe on someone's free will (i.e. the first distortion) without consequence is quite frankly silly, and I think ignores the over-arching message of the material.

I don't really understand what point you are trying to make. Who said anything about infringing in free will being without consequence?

Quote:All of this leads me to the following conclusion: Infringement on the free will of others incarnated here is impossible by any other being incarnated here

(02-11-2021, 01:03 AM)Spaced Wrote: ... otherwise I believe using the term in this way is twisting Ra's words to suit one's personal bias.

(02-11-2021, 01:03 AM)Spaced Wrote: The point I am trying to make is that every single case of Ra making reference to free will infringement involves the revelation of higher density information to third density incarnate beings who are not ready or have not put in the work to receive it.

Quote:73.14 Questioner: An observation of the working itself by another entity would seem to me to partially abridge free will in that a seemingly magical occurrence had taken place as a result of the working of an adept. This could be extended to any phenomenon which is other than normally acceptable. Could you speak on this paradox that is immediately the problem of anyone doing healing?

Ra: I am Ra. We are humble messengers of the Law of One. To us there are no paradoxes. The workings which seem magical and, therefore, seem to infringe upon free will do not, in themselves, do so, for the distortions of perception are as many as the witnesses and each witness sees what it desires to see. Infringement upon free will occurs in this circumstance only if the entity doing the working ascribes the authorship of this event to its self or its own skills. Those who state that no working comes from it but only through it is infringing upon free will.*

* Ra meant to say “not infringing” on free will. See the next question and answer.

14 MARCH 2009 Wrote:However, it is indeed possible within third density for people to infringe upon each others’ free will in ways that do involve karma. Take for instance the institution that you call marriage. A marriage of equal partners may involve many spirited discussions, but if one of the mates reserves the right to give orders to the other, there has been an infringement upon the free will of that individual whose liberties have been limited without his or her consent.

In a work situation it is entirely acceptable for the leader to give orders to the employee as long as they do not shame him or abase him or disrespect him as a human being. When one entity uses a weapon to coerce or force another to do his bidding, whether it is in criminal acts or acts of war, this, too, goes beyond the bounds of acceptable usage and constitutes an infringement upon the free will of the one who is limited.

There is no question but that in all of those three circumstances and more there is much infringement upon free will among your people. To those who feel that there is a question as to whether they are acting appropriately or whether they are moving beyond the bounds of acceptable influence and infringing upon another’s free will, we might suggest that, in your mind, you turn the tables and see the situation as happening the opposite way, not from you to another but from another to you. If, in that turnaround, you see the goodness of your actions, you are most likely behaving appropriately and maintaining unity between yourself and the other self. If, when you turn the tables, you realize you would resent such a thing were it to happen to you, then you know that you have infringed upon the rights, the peace, and the liberty of another.

Ra Wrote:6.14 Questioner: I think it would be appropriate to discover how the Law of One acts in this transfer of beings to our planet and the action of harvest?

Ra: I am Ra. The Law of One states simply that all things are one, that all beings are one. There are certain behaviors and thought-forms consonant with the understanding and practice of this law. Those who, finishing a cycle of experience, demonstrate various grades of distortion of that understanding of thought and action will be separated by their own choice into the vibratory distortion most comfortable to their mind/body/spirit complexes. This process is guarded or watched by those nurturing beings who, being very close to the Law of One in their distortions, nevertheless have the distortion towards active service.

Thus, the illusion is created of light, or more properly but less understandably, light/love. This is in varying degrees of intensity. The spirit complex of each harvested entity moves along the line of light until the light grows too glaring, at which time the entity stops. This entity may have barely reached third density or may be very, very close to the ending of the third-density light/love distortion vibratory complex. Nevertheless, those who fall within this octave of intensifying light/love then experience a major cycle during which the opportunities are many for the discovery of the distortions which are inherent in each entity and, therefore, the lessening of these distortions.

18.8 Questioner: Then an entity, say, four years old would be totally responsible for any actions that were against or in… inharmonious with the Law of One. Is this correct?

Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. It may be noted that it has been arranged by your social complex structures that the newer entities to incarnation are to be provided with guides of a physical mind/body/spirit complex, thus being able to learn quickly what is consonant with the Law of One.

18.5 Questioner: Thank you. I have a question here from Jim that I will read verbatim: “Much of the mystic tradition of seeking on Earth holds that belief that the individual self must be erased or obliterated and the material world ignored for an entity to reach ‘nirvana,’ as it’s called, or enlightenment. What is the proper role of the individual self and its worldly activities in aiding an entity to grow more into the Law of One?”

Ra: I am Ra. The proper role of the entity is in this density to experience all things desired, to then analyze, understand, and accept these experiences, distilling from them the love/light within them. Nothing shall be overcome. That which is not needed falls away.
The orientation develops due to analysis of desire. These desires become more and more distorted towards conscious application of love/light as the entity furnishes itself with distilled experience. We have found it to be inappropriate in the extreme to encourage the overcoming of any desires, except to suggest the imagination rather than the carrying out in the physical plane, as you call it, of those desires not consonant with the Law of One; this preserving the primal distortion of free will.

The reason it is unwise to overcome is that overcoming is an unbalanced action creating difficulties in balancing in the time/space continuum. Overcoming thus creates the further environment for holding onto that which apparently has been overcome.
All things are acceptable in the proper time for each entity, and in experiencing, in understanding, in accepting, in then sharing with other-selves, the appropriate description shall be moving away from distortions of one kind to distortions of another which may be more consonant with the Law of One.

It is, shall we say, a shortcut to simply ignore or overcome any desire. It must instead be understood and accepted. This takes patience and experience which can be analyzed with care, with compassion for self and for other-self.

42.10 Questioner: How can a person know when he is unswayed by an emotionally charged situation if he is repressing the flow of emotions, or if he is in balance and truly unswayed?

Ra: I am Ra. We have spoken to this point. Therefore, we shall briefly iterate that to the balanced entity no situation has an emotional charge but is simply a situation like any other in which the entity may or may not observe an opportunity to be of service. The closer an entity comes to this attitude the closer an entity is to balance. You may note that it is not our recommendation that reactions to catalyst be repressed or suppressed unless such reactions would be a stumbling block not consonant with the Law of One to an other-self. It is far, far better to allow the experience to express itself in order that the entity may then make fuller use of this catalyst.

52.7 Questioner: Am I correct, then, in assuming that discipline of the personality, knowledge of self, and control, shall I say, in strengthening of the will would be what any fifth-density entity would see as those things of importance?

Ra: I am Ra. In actuality these things are of importance in third through early seventh densities. The only correction in nuance that we would make is your use of the word, control. It is paramount that it be understood that it is not desirable or helpful to the growth of the understanding, may we say, of an entity by itself to control thought processes or impulses except where they may result in actions not consonant with the Law of One. Control may seem to be a short-cut to discipline, peace, and illumination. However, this very control potentiates and necessitates the further incarnative experience in order to balance this control or repression of that self which is perfect.

Instead, we appreciate and recommend the use of your second verb in regard to the use of the will. Acceptance of self, forgiveness of self, and the direction of the will; this is the path towards the disciplined personality. Your faculty of will is that which is powerful within you as co-Creator. You cannot ascribe to this faculty too much importance. Thus it must be carefully used and directed in service to others for those upon the positively oriented path.

There is great danger in the use of the will as the personality becomes stronger, for it may be used even subconsciously in ways reducing the polarity of the entity.

(02-11-2021, 01:35 AM)zedro Wrote:

(02-11-2021, 01:03 AM)Spaced Wrote: ... otherwise I believe using the term in this way is twisting Ra's words to suit one's personal bias.

Who says every belief expressed here is explicitly and directly derived from Ra's words?

(02-11-2021, 01:35 AM)zedro Wrote: STS activity essentially infringes on free will, it's one of the defining actions. The key is discerning the implications of the infringement, i.e. the difference between my mother forbidding me from traveling across town when I'm 6 years old and punishing me for doing so, vs a police officer doing the same on fraudulent premises, and subjecting me to arbitrary punitive damages and violence.

(02-11-2021, 01:38 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(02-11-2021, 01:03 AM)Spaced Wrote: The point I am trying to make is that every single case of Ra making reference to free will infringement involves the revelation of higher density information to third density incarnate beings who are not ready or have not put in the work to receive it.

Well, here's one.

Quote:73.14 Questioner: An observation of the working itself by another entity would seem to me to partially abridge free will in that a seemingly magical occurrence had taken place as a result of the working of an adept. This could be extended to any phenomenon which is other than normally acceptable. Could you speak on this paradox that is immediately the problem of anyone doing healing?

Ra: I am Ra. We are humble messengers of the Law of One. To us there are no paradoxes. The workings which seem magical and, therefore, seem to infringe upon free will do not, in themselves, do so, for the distortions of perception are as many as the witnesses and each witness sees what it desires to see. Infringement upon free will occurs in this circumstance only if the entity doing the working ascribes the authorship of this event to its self or its own skills. Those who state that no working comes from it but only through it is infringing upon free will.*

* Ra meant to say “not infringing” on free will. See the next question and answer.

I think that could happen between two mortals.  The event in question is a Jesus story, but there are others who use unseen powers...or who may pretend to do so.

(02-11-2021, 01:38 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote: Bonus Track: This is from today's Daily Q'uote thingy....if you're interested.

14 MARCH 2009 Wrote:However, it is indeed possible within third density for people to infringe upon each others’ free will in ways that do involve karma. Take for instance the institution that you call marriage. A marriage of equal partners may involve many spirited discussions, but if one of the mates reserves the right to give orders to the other, there has been an infringement upon the free will of that individual whose liberties have been limited without his or her consent.

In a work situation it is entirely acceptable for the leader to give orders to the employee as long as they do not shame him or abase him or disrespect him as a human being. When one entity uses a weapon to coerce or force another to do his bidding, whether it is in criminal acts or acts of war, this, too, goes beyond the bounds of acceptable usage and constitutes an infringement upon the free will of the one who is limited.

There is no question but that in all of those three circumstances and more there is much infringement upon free will among your people. To those who feel that there is a question as to whether they are acting appropriately or whether they are moving beyond the bounds of acceptable influence and infringing upon another’s free will, we might suggest that, in your mind, you turn the tables and see the situation as happening the opposite way, not from you to another but from another to you. If, in that turnaround, you see the goodness of your actions, you are most likely behaving appropriately and maintaining unity between yourself and the other self. If, when you turn the tables, you realize you would resent such a thing were it to happen to you, then you know that you have infringed upon the rights, the peace, and the liberty of another.

 

Quote:16.1 Questioner: As I ask questions, there will unfortunately be [inaudible] I think the direction I wish to go investigating the Law of One. However, I have ideas in mind of some questions [inaudible]. They may be stupid questions; I don’t know, but [inaudible]. [Inaudible] trying to construct a complete, unbiased book about the Law of One, one which itself takes into account the Law of One. I hope that you [inaudible] ridiculous.

I would like to ask, considering the free will distortion of the Law of One, how can the Guardians quarantine the Earth? Is this quarantine within the free will distortion?

Ra: I am Ra. The Guardians guard the free will distortion of the mind/body/spirit complexes of third density on this planetary sphere. The events which require activation of quarantine were interfering with the free will distortion of mind/body/spirit complexes.

Quote:68.12 Questioner: It would seem to me that since I can’t imagine anything . . . anything worse, shall I say, than this particular result, other than possibly the total disintegration of the mind/body/spirit complex due to nuclear bomb, that it would be very advisable to seek out the magical training and defense for this situation. Could Ra, and would Ra, instruct in this type of magical defense?

Ra: I am Ra. This request lies beyond the First Distortion. The entity seeking magical ability must do so in a certain manner. We may give instructions of a general nature. This we have already done. The instrument has begun the process of balancing the self. This is a lengthy process.

To take an entity before it is ready and offer it the scepter of magical power is to infringe in an unbalanced manner We may suggest with some asperity that the instrument never call upon Ra in any way while unprotected by the configuration which is at this time present.

(02-11-2021, 02:57 AM)Aion Wrote: Said another way, an adept initiating others without their consent would also be infringing. 

(02-11-2021, 03:40 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(02-11-2021, 02:57 AM)Aion Wrote: Said another way, an adept initiating others without their consent would also be infringing. 

 
It's not only adepts who mislead the uninitiated.
Maybe 20 years ago there was an article (back when we read newspapers) about a guy who had been up in the Sierras (in Calif.) who had an arrow shot through his eyeball and lodged in his head.  It said the medics restrained his arms because he was trying to pull it out.
The docs cut away part of his rear skull, clipped the arrow short, sanitized the remaining portion and pushed it out the back of his head without doing much damage to what he had for a brain. 
The patient explained that he was joining "friends" who were "initiating" him into some kind of mountain man club.  They made various false promises, but it involved a good bit of drinking and then him putting something on his head for another guy to try to shoot an arrow through (like William Tell).
The article ended with the patient saying, "Yeah, I feel really stupid."
Was his free will abridged?  Hmm, yeah, maybe a little?
  

(02-11-2021, 02:56 AM)Spaced Wrote: It almost seems like Q'uo and Ra are talking about different things but I guess it's more a matter of perspective.

(02-11-2021, 03:49 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(02-11-2021, 02:56 AM)Spaced Wrote: It almost seems like Q'uo and Ra are talking about different things but I guess it's more a matter of perspective.

Well, I think it gets down to what you think this abridgement business is about.  At it's root, I take it to be that we're all intended to pursue our own path of spiritual flowering according to what we *really* desire.  If another entity influences us to act according to something other than that, then there's an abridgement.  The influence may be an implication that "I know better, so you should do as I advise" or "I'm so powerful, I must be right," etc.  The basic idea, though, is that one gets another to choose, not based on their own deep sense of what they want, but for--ahem--a more transient reason.

    

(02-11-2021, 03:40 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(02-11-2021, 02:57 AM)Aion Wrote: Said another way, an adept initiating others without their consent would also be infringing. 

 
It's not only adepts who mislead the uninitiated.
Maybe 20 years ago there was an article (back when we read newspapers) about a guy who had been up in the Sierras (in Calif.) who had an arrow shot through his eyeball and lodged in his head.  It said the medics restrained his arms because he was trying to pull it out.
The docs cut away part of his rear skull, clipped the arrow short, sanitized the remaining portion and pushed it out the back of his head without doing much damage to what he had for a brain. 
The patient explained that he was joining "friends" who were "initiating" him into some kind of mountain man club.  They made various false promises, but it involved a good bit of drinking and then him putting something on his head for another guy to try to shoot an arrow through (like William Tell).
The article ended with the patient saying, "Yeah, I feel really stupid."
Was his free will abridged?  Hmm, yeah, maybe a little?
  

(02-11-2021, 03:47 AM)Aion Wrote: True although I would caveat that individuals whom have gone to the lengths to consciously deceive, have created and maintained such an organization, as well as developing such 'rituals' or demands they are well aware could result in the death of another person, are, in my opinion, definitely pushing some degree of adeptness in consciousness of the rather self-serving variety. Adepts aren't usually people in robes performing rituals under the moonlight (or midday sun for those sunny folk), they are people who have developed enough awareness of how to use their choices to the benefit or detriment of others that they are not acting 'unconsciously'.

(02-11-2021, 03:50 AM)Aion Wrote: How does one know what one *really* desires?

(02-11-2021, 03:51 AM)Louisabell Wrote: But did he make it in? Did he become a mountain man? Don't leave us hanging...

(02-11-2021, 03:54 AM)Sacred Fool Wrote:

(02-11-2021, 03:50 AM)Aion Wrote: How does one know what one *really* desires?

That's the sixty-four dollar question, eh?