Was Evil invented by mistake ?

[Minyatur]

Outside of evil, a lot in this thread is about suffering, but it is not like humans created suffering nor did the veil put it in place. Suffering is its own part of nature, remove all of humanity and 3D experience from Earth and you will still have animals that hunt other animals, hurt meaninglessly other animals, have accidents and became stranded to die alone, perhaps of a fever or lack of food. Humans are a whole lot in the image of the nature from which they come, simply wielding a different level of power and without natural predators to balance them out on the short term. Then again, the entire idea of 3D is to allow a place for the Creator to have the honor/duty to learn as this role within such a planet, to make its mistakes and grow through them in the eternal discovery of the Creator as the Creator.

*sigh*

This bypasses any responsibility or accountability on the part of humans. Of course humans have created certain kinds of suffering. If they didn't, who did? Some other entity? Or maybe it just popped out of nowhere. 

Yes, nature is cruel, or more accurately, neutral. Nature is just the system, as the veil is our system. Yes animals may suffer in the ways you have mentioned, but how does that compare to the intentional suffering animals are put through in laboratories when they are experimented on? Are not humans responsible for that suffering?

This part was a bit about suffering having its own place beyond humans, both within and without the confines of this Octave.

The part where I did not bypass the responsibility and accountability of humans in regard to what they do is when I spoke of their honor/duty to learn from their mistakes. Now it may sound harsh to say that they have the right to make their mistakes, but it is in fact realistic as it is what is happening. Mankind is just one of the many animals of this world, one difference being that we have attained the ability of self-reflection as a specie. This though implies nothing beyond that it is now part of our natural process of evolution and that it is currently at play. Over time mankind will change because of it, as it already has, but it is a slow process of distilling the self individually and collectively that brings about this change. It is not something that can be rushed and the current state of mankind will not be overcome either, instead it needs to be understood and accepted before we can turn to newer ways. Currently mankind is still very close to the nature from which it comes from and a lot of our ways are derived or inspired from it. I would not be surprised at all that we would have never turned carnivorous if we had never seen beasts hunt. So in a way, this 3D process of evolution is not just about humans as a separate specie and instead more about that humans incarnate the dimension in which nature processes itself at that level. Both within and without mankind, it is the same nature that exists and the path of acceptance to me is really about seeing both reflected in one another. To me it is untrue to think that you can disapprove of things that mankind does and accept it as part of nature outside humans, just like it is untrue to think that you can disapprove of things that are done in nature and accept it as part of mankind. I guess that's really just the good old 'All is one' and I do not know what salvation there is for someone that thinks existence is wrong to be what it is. I don't think I can really judge another human for what it does any more than I can judge a wolf for what it is does, even with the power of 3D thinking the wolf might just think that it likes to hunt, just as the taste of blood, and keep at it. Each thing does what it is in its nature as a complex to do and it makes more sense for me to understand and accept that than to seek to control it.

Can we change nature? Unlikely. Can we change humanity's cruelty to other life forms through awareness and evolution of consciousness? Yes (I certainly hope so).

To me it is somewhat the same and in both scenarios it is about which of the two paths will be taken, will it be through acceptance or control?