08-22-2020, 03:34 PM
(08-22-2020, 02:12 PM)Jade Wrote:(08-22-2020, 12:34 PM)Diana Wrote: ...I'm not just going to swallow any BS that's handed out by a corrupt media and government with buffoons who make no sense.
What do you think you are being lied to about specifically? The government is always lying to us. I don't trust them. I do trust germ theory, however, and I see that the US has death counts that dwarf other countries based upon our lack of basic action to protect us from this virus. Do you think every other government lied to its people as well?
I was speaking generally there. I don't know what I'm being lied to about. I can only guess. I normally don't pay much attention to the human drama of politics.
If I may explain my thoughts: Almost everything is technically hearsay. Do you know what is actually happening anywhere outside of your physical location? In Europe? In Asia? All we have is what we are told. And this includes statistics. So, I must believe the statistics in order to agree with what you say. I don't—there is too much conflicting information. That is not to say you aren't right. I DON"T KNOW.
Yes I think all governments lie to its people. It's a working theory anyway—since almost all information is hearsay.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: I don't trust allopathic medicine, either. But I'm not telling everyone they should get a vaccine, because I don't support that either. I am just baffled that people draw the line at wearing a mask that prevents the spread of germs. We are all reasonable about staying home and not spreading the cold or the flu when we get it, and these things are deadly and don't do the same kind of permanent damage that COVID does. Like I said, maybe it's a placebo. But Ra says that in our society, the training of allopathic doctors is how we train "healers", so on some level we have to accept that this is the will of the collective, and to see the positive alongside the negative.
As far as the permanent damage Covid-19 does, even that is not clear whether the damage is done from the virus or from medical treatment. I'm not that informed, but there seems to be controversy regarding that.
As far as accepting the collective idea of allopathic medicine being the healing modality of this time—I do, for others who believe in it. I would never undermine someone's belief in something they think is healing them. But I don't think it is a system of healing in general. I certainly hope it evolves into a system of healing from the current system that profits from sickness.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: The government takes my money (taxes) and spends a lot of it on weaponry and animal agriculture. This oppression is far more troublesome to me than being asked to wear a mask in a public building.
I agree. And I think there are many people who are latching onto the mask aspect and running with it, when there are deeper issues to consider.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: The three ounces of liquid was an arbitrary example that was meant to call to mind ALL of the freedoms we have given up in the name of protecting each other. I agree that thinking people should consider the effects of this. However, if we had properly responded in the US as other countries had, we wouldn't be experiencing this extremely drawn out, forced mask wearing. We had an opportunity to slow the spread immensely, as other countries did, as a collective effort to protect each other. This is a worldwide pandemic, it doesn't just affect the US, so looking at it through the lens of US government lies or individual liberties or whatever is very short sighted.
I don't know that I am short-sighted. I'm just bringing up points to consider, and trying to navigate this morass.
Again, the above about slowing the virus is questionable and relies on statistics. They may be correct. But since the onset of this global pandemic, not much in the way of response has made any sense to me.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: Do you think that every other country is just full of sheep who will listen to every command of their government, even if it's in their best interests? Or are American's just so easily brainwashed that we are some of the very few who think that wearing a mask is an oppressive front to our personal liberties?
I don't think in such absolute, extreme, and black-and-white ways.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: How we choose to react to this catalyst is upon each of us. It doesn't scare me to only see half of someone's face. What I notice is how much people go out of their way to be kinder or show that they are smiling with their eyes to compensate for the lack of smiles. What I see is people willing to make the (very, very small) sacrifice of wearing a mask to make others feel safe and protected (as you do). Wearing a mask isn't about affirming our own safety, it's about protecting others, and many anti-maskers seem to miss this. What I see is people who are endeavoring to protect the weaker and more vulnerable among us, vs those who are willing to sacrifice the "less than 1%" who will die, so that they can sit at a bar and breathe freely upon each other or go shopping at Costco and pretend that things are "back to normal". What I see is that people who are anti-mask are often in denial, afraid of the reality we have created with our poor choices and poor stewardship of the planet, realizing that their actions could affect others but instead preferring to double down on their individual liberty in the face of being asked to make a sacrifice for the collective wellbeing. What I see is people who refuse to wear a mask are projecting their fears and inability to cope with difficulties upon those who are wearing masks.
That was quite a speech, but it I find it to be judgmental (not intentionally I think), idealistic, and one-dimensional. I agree with much of it. But the attitudes of people are a mixed bag and I don't think they can be so pigeonholed. On Nextdoor Neighbor I see a wide range of reasons and attitudes from people.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: I'm not afraid, even though I'm technically immunocompromised. I want to take actions that are conducive to healing this sick world we've been contributing to, and to not bury my head in the sand because I'm overwhelmed in the face of all of the difficulties that have presented themselves to deal with. I want to have a positive and constructive effect on my reality, and I want to sacrifice my own personal will in favor of that of the One Infinite Creator who sees all as One. I'm not afraid of being coerced by the government to do things against my will, because I'm aware of the nuance in the situation and I still choose to wear a mask. I understand the motivations of those who refuse to wear the mask, but the motivations are inconsistent and I've yet to see a cohesive argument against mask wearing that wasn't projection of one's own fears of being controlled by others. I trust in the autonomy of my choice and I don't believe that because I'm wearing a mask, that I will submit to mandatory vaccines or chip implants or whatever it is that anti-maskers think is the direct next step. So, my point of view is unique, and nuanced, and I want to understand both sides, but until someone paints a clear picture of why not wearing a mask is objectively better than wearing one, I'm going to challenge them to attempt a rational and non-contradictory explanation. But "I'm afraid of the government so I'm not gonna be afraid of a disease!" is really illogical circular reasoning. This is collective bodily catalyst for the planet and we should react by attempting to address and heal the ailments of the body, in my opinion. Being paranoid about the government's motivations is not a helpful distortion.
For some people this may apply. But not everyone who questions the mask is afraid and paranoid—of anything. How about just practical concern? Or intelligent questioning?
As far as WEARING a mask, I do think this is a confused issue. Personally I wear one. But there are many people taking "sides," and like many societal issues the "sides" often miss the deeper points at issue. Which of course works well if something is going on at the same time that is trying to be covered up or slipped in through the cracks. Again, 911 is good example. The nation was devastated by the loss of life, so we agree that going to war based on ridiculous reasons (weapons of mass destruction) was okay. Yes of course the lives lost in the twin towers matter; but what about the lives lost in the war as well?
Quote:[41.14]In third density, at this time, those clinging to orange ray have a much more complex system of distortions through which orange ray is manifested. This is somewhat complicated. We shall endeavor to simplify.
The appropriate true color for third density is, as you have ascertained, yellow. However, the influences of the true color, green, acting upon yellow-ray entities have caused many entities to revert to the consideration of self rather than the stepping forward into consideration of other-self or green ray. This may not be seen to be of a negatively polarized nature, as the negatively polarized entity is working very intensively with the deepest manifestations of yellow-ray group energies, especially the manipulations of other-self for service to self. Those reverting to orange ray, and we may add these are many upon your plane at this time, are those who feel the vibrations of true color green and, therefore, respond by rejecting governmental and societal activities as such and seek once more the self.
However, not having developed the yellow ray properly so that it balances the personal vibratory rates of the entity, the entity then is faced with the task of further activation and balancing of the self in relation to the self, thus the orange-ray manifestations at this space/time nexus.
Thus true color orange is that which it is, without difference. However, the manifestations of this or any ray may be seen to be most various depending upon the vibratory levels and balances of the mind/body or mind/body/spirit complexes which are expressing these energies.
It is not as simple as caring about the safety of others regarding the virus. What about the safety of others regarding starvation, poverty, lack of proper healthcare; and so on due to oppression? Is it okay then to allow a government to further impose tactics which contribute to the oppression? It isn't JUST about the masks. It's typical that the media will incite the mask issue as being the pivotal issue when there are deeper things happening. If it wasn't so serious and sad, the fight over mask-wearing would be comical.
And by the way, I am not afraid of people in the stores, or paranoid. Maybe you live somewhere where people are all nice and friendly to each other. The Phoenix area is not like that. I was just speculating about the long-term affects of average people—the ones I see generally in this area. Perhaps you are right that people will somehow come out of this with a better understanding of service to others. I'm dubious. I don't think it happened after 911—in fact, it incited hatred for Muslims and middle-easterners that seems to still be in effect.
We will see how it shakes out. We are nearly two decades further along than we were at 911, so maybe this will be very different.