If everyone doesn't mind me speculating, I would like to do so without being chastised for being an American idiot.
In a way this is a comparison that makes sense, since wearing shoes was implemented due to tuberculosis and people spitting on sidewalks. However, there is more at issue here than the elementary idea of covering a part of the body for health reasons.
This is a good point. I'll preface by repeating that I wear a mask for the sake of others when out, and I have no problem doing so. (This does not in any way change the idea that this whole business is suspect.)
I can't help but wonder if this doesn't play right into the oppression. What I mean by this is that for centuries the poor/proletariat/peasants/disenfranchised have been kept down by various means by STS factions of society. So now we see this situation, which has already caused division worldwide, where low-wage workers are forced into this situation because they can't afford to lose their jobs. Whether or not the virus is what the official narrative says it is or not, this is yet another way to keep this portion of society down.
If there is any truth in this speculation, then there is a bigger picture—one that spans centuries and is part of an ongoing oppression. If we are to evolve into a 4th density society, then one of the attributes would be transparency. It's obvious that all governments are furtive and corrupt to some extent. Do we continue to let these corrupt institutions keep us in the box they maintain for their own purposes? As a Wanderer, one may not care about such an Earthly societal concern, but when one is lied to, does one just roll over and accept it? I suppose one could, if one doesn't want to be involved. Frankly, I don't care to get involved (yet), but on the other hand, I'm not just going to swallow any BS that's handed out by a corrupt media and government with buffoons who make no sense.
Yes, this is a good point. The mind creates the body, so to speak to paraphrase Ra, so it matters what people think. It's why I wear a mask. To make others feel safer is the only reason.
On the surface, this sounds sensible. It only works, however, if you agree with the official narratives.
I was wondering the same thing and I was going to ask you to explain it as well. Not because I am a privileged person, but because I just didn't understand your meaning. I couldn't tell by your statement who was being oppressed and why.
To be honest, my take on allopathic medicine is that, beyond certain acute care cases, the whole system is oppressing us all. As an example, last year my mother was in a hospital because her doctor prescribed a med which caused seizures (or as they termed it, tremors). After months of BS that almost killed her several times (to the point that we had to have someone stay in the room overnight with her to ward off meds and procedures we expressly forbade (the staff would just do things anyway without looking at charts or even the board on the wall), they finally took her off the med we kept insisting was the problem—not because they admitted it was the cause, but furtively like it was an arbitrary decision. She got better. It was evident that they (I mean the doctors) had to cover their asses. It was an eye-opening experience for me. I already did not align with allopathic practices, but this was far worse than I had imagined. There were a few intelligent, thinking people there in the form of nurses, but still, they would do things like feed her pancakes and syrup with a muffin for breakfast and she is diabetic; then when her blood sugar spiked they would give her a shot of insulin; so we had to be there to stop that too. It was a farce of epic proportions.
This country's government is deplorable. US presidents can be in office for 4 years (and I won't even go into what that office might really consist of and how a politician gets to that point), and receive huge benefits for the rest of their lives, but a homeless person can't get benefits because of not having an address. It is beyond imagining that we live in such a society.
The bias you mention I think derives from the general state of the human mindset. We are still in a time where racism, tribalism, nationalism, sexism, and xenophobia are alive—supported by a corrupt media and government and the forces behind these that encourage it, in my opinion. On top of that our government doesn't protect those who really need it, because it's too busy protecting itself (earmarks, lobbying, campaign funds for "favors," greed).
The bolded above is part of why so many people are questioning the official narrative. I don't think it's as simple as it may seem on the surface. I, for one, am willing to wear a mask for the sake of others (whether it really works or not), but I am concerned about a corrupt government continuing to erode freedoms. 911 is a good example. Do you think the official narrative was true? If not, then why was it okay to violate rights? And I don't mean something silly like 3 oz. containers on flights. I mean the Patriot Act, which was supposed to expire at the end of 2005 but was reinstated.
I would like to add another speculation. I don't go out much (never have really), but when I go to the grocery store, I find the experience unsettling (I usually go to Albertsons, Frys or Sprouts). Aside form any protective or health considerations, it is emotionally and mentally disturbing. Not to see a person's face in its entirety seems to create a weird vibe, like we are all suspect of each other. I see people looking at other people with suspicion or something like it their eyes. I can't pinpoint it but it feels very isolating and separating. It's not true of every person, but the general feel is divisive. This all may sound very obvious. But in any case, I have to wonder about the ultimate psychological effects.
As a thinking person, I do not consider it to be uncaring to speculate on the possible long-term, covert, or opportunistic aspects of the Covid-19 global fallout.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote:(08-21-2020, 02:27 PM)curio_city Wrote: Can you please elaborate on what constitutes medical/governmental/societal oppression, as well as give some detail on its occurrence today?
Being asked to wear a mask into a public space is akin to being asked to wear shoes for public health reasons into a public space. Sure, it can be argued that going barefoot 100% of the time is "healthier" and "more natural". But nobody feels oppressed wearing shoes.
In a way this is a comparison that makes sense, since wearing shoes was implemented due to tuberculosis and people spitting on sidewalks. However, there is more at issue here than the elementary idea of covering a part of the body for health reasons.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: How many people here who are against masks are actually being "forced" to wear them for more than an hour or two a week? To consider this oppression is absurd. You are being asked to wear a mask *when you enter a private business*, for the sake of the health of the employees who are often being forced, for low wages, to risk their health to serve you.
This is a good point. I'll preface by repeating that I wear a mask for the sake of others when out, and I have no problem doing so. (This does not in any way change the idea that this whole business is suspect.)
I can't help but wonder if this doesn't play right into the oppression. What I mean by this is that for centuries the poor/proletariat/peasants/disenfranchised have been kept down by various means by STS factions of society. So now we see this situation, which has already caused division worldwide, where low-wage workers are forced into this situation because they can't afford to lose their jobs. Whether or not the virus is what the official narrative says it is or not, this is yet another way to keep this portion of society down.
If there is any truth in this speculation, then there is a bigger picture—one that spans centuries and is part of an ongoing oppression. If we are to evolve into a 4th density society, then one of the attributes would be transparency. It's obvious that all governments are furtive and corrupt to some extent. Do we continue to let these corrupt institutions keep us in the box they maintain for their own purposes? As a Wanderer, one may not care about such an Earthly societal concern, but when one is lied to, does one just roll over and accept it? I suppose one could, if one doesn't want to be involved. Frankly, I don't care to get involved (yet), but on the other hand, I'm not just going to swallow any BS that's handed out by a corrupt media and government with buffoons who make no sense.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: I understand that it's easy to justify "well if I project my awareness of my own health upon others by not wearing a mask, I'm helping them understand their own bodily autonomy" but in actuality you are just scaring people who are at risk. Many people have family members who have died. Many people have to go to work at grocery stores and restaurants and go home to elderly or otherwise at risk family members. Seeing people wear a mask gives them a peace of mind that, on some level, they are protected.
Yes, this is a good point. The mind creates the body, so to speak to paraphrase Ra, so it matters what people think. It's why I wear a mask. To make others feel safer is the only reason.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: ... but the truth is, we don't wear masks to protect ourselves, we wear masks to protect others. COVID can be spread by people who have 0 symptoms. Just because you are healthy doesn't mean you aren't spreading the virus.
On the surface, this sounds sensible. It only works, however, if you agree with the official narratives.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: The fact that you need me to explain examples of medical, governmental, and societal oppression is just proof that actual oppression is out of your realm of understanding.
I was wondering the same thing and I was going to ask you to explain it as well. Not because I am a privileged person, but because I just didn't understand your meaning. I couldn't tell by your statement who was being oppressed and why.
To be honest, my take on allopathic medicine is that, beyond certain acute care cases, the whole system is oppressing us all. As an example, last year my mother was in a hospital because her doctor prescribed a med which caused seizures (or as they termed it, tremors). After months of BS that almost killed her several times (to the point that we had to have someone stay in the room overnight with her to ward off meds and procedures we expressly forbade (the staff would just do things anyway without looking at charts or even the board on the wall), they finally took her off the med we kept insisting was the problem—not because they admitted it was the cause, but furtively like it was an arbitrary decision. She got better. It was evident that they (I mean the doctors) had to cover their asses. It was an eye-opening experience for me. I already did not align with allopathic practices, but this was far worse than I had imagined. There were a few intelligent, thinking people there in the form of nurses, but still, they would do things like feed her pancakes and syrup with a muffin for breakfast and she is diabetic; then when her blood sugar spiked they would give her a shot of insulin; so we had to be there to stop that too. It was a farce of epic proportions.
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: Medical oppression is how women and people of color are often treated poorly and not taken seriously by medical professionals - this is documented and proven, and I've certainly experienced it. Governmental oppression is, let's say, being redlined into a school district that gets no money because funding is determined by property taxes. Societal oppression is being a person of a lower class/different race/"weaker sex" and experiencing the continued lack of respect and autonomy because of these perceived "handicaps".
This country's government is deplorable. US presidents can be in office for 4 years (and I won't even go into what that office might really consist of and how a politician gets to that point), and receive huge benefits for the rest of their lives, but a homeless person can't get benefits because of not having an address. It is beyond imagining that we live in such a society.
The bias you mention I think derives from the general state of the human mindset. We are still in a time where racism, tribalism, nationalism, sexism, and xenophobia are alive—supported by a corrupt media and government and the forces behind these that encourage it, in my opinion. On top of that our government doesn't protect those who really need it, because it's too busy protecting itself (earmarks, lobbying, campaign funds for "favors," greed).
(08-21-2020, 08:35 PM)Jade Wrote: These are just the first examples that come to mind but the expression of oppression is endless in our current reality. There are books written on this topic so I would suggest doing your own research if this concept is out of your grasp, it will help you develop more compassion for others. Being asked to wear a noninvasive medical device for a few hours a week is not oppression. Don't you find it odd that the USA is the only country that has a huge issue with this common courtesy, but also is the only country that has a death toll as high as ours? When will enough be enough? Nobody says only being able to carry 3oz of liquid on an airplane is "oppression", yet we gave up many of our freedoms for the sake of public safety after 9/11 happened, and that was only a few thousands deaths on one bad day. IMO "masks are bad" could potentially be a psy-op by the population reduction elites. It's interesting that people think that 5G is here to kill us but refuse to wear a piece of cloth over their face when they go to the grocery store to potentially reduce the death and damage of another potential, and proven deadly, weapon against humanity.
The bolded above is part of why so many people are questioning the official narrative. I don't think it's as simple as it may seem on the surface. I, for one, am willing to wear a mask for the sake of others (whether it really works or not), but I am concerned about a corrupt government continuing to erode freedoms. 911 is a good example. Do you think the official narrative was true? If not, then why was it okay to violate rights? And I don't mean something silly like 3 oz. containers on flights. I mean the Patriot Act, which was supposed to expire at the end of 2005 but was reinstated.
I would like to add another speculation. I don't go out much (never have really), but when I go to the grocery store, I find the experience unsettling (I usually go to Albertsons, Frys or Sprouts). Aside form any protective or health considerations, it is emotionally and mentally disturbing. Not to see a person's face in its entirety seems to create a weird vibe, like we are all suspect of each other. I see people looking at other people with suspicion or something like it their eyes. I can't pinpoint it but it feels very isolating and separating. It's not true of every person, but the general feel is divisive. This all may sound very obvious. But in any case, I have to wonder about the ultimate psychological effects.
As a thinking person, I do not consider it to be uncaring to speculate on the possible long-term, covert, or opportunistic aspects of the Covid-19 global fallout.