07-07-2020, 12:26 AM
(This post was last modified: 07-07-2020, 12:32 AM by Black Dragon.)
(07-07-2020, 12:11 AM)peregrine Wrote:(07-06-2020, 06:58 PM)unity100 Wrote:Quote:USSR was hella corrupt
That's the propaganda on the other side of the pond. An empty, undefined term 'corruption'.
USSR was not a country which let its citizens to die if they were not able to pay for healthcare. Or left its people homeless. Or without education. Or without a proper retirement at a proper age.
US system literally kills people if they cant pay the hospital.
When you legalize corruption like in US, you dont have corruption - all legal. Funny how that works huh...
Oh, yes, Eastern Europe has long history of egalitarian liberty going all the way back to the Tsars, Genghis Khan and various other kings, smaller warlords and potentates. Free land and health care for all people has been their hallmark. Each tribe embraced the other as its brother and all sang songs about it together in 4 part harmony.
Uh, wait.....................that may be all made up.
Actually, maybe the Boyars and their counterparts in neighboring areas didn't really take such good care of their slaves--uh--serfs? Maybe each ethnic tribe who wanted land had to butcher a neighboring tribe to get it. But that's not corruption, is it? After all, it was common practice, which is sort like saying it was legal.
Could it be that Russia went from Boyars to modern oligarchs but had a corruption-free period in the 20th century? Was it really a worker's paradise? From reading Solzhenitsyn and other dissidents, that's not impression I got.
Sorry to go on like that, but your passage above stood out to me as being absurd. The portion pertaining to the US, however, I will not dispute. The vices of one group are not more desirable than the vices of the other, in my view.
I thought basically the same thing. No Earth government is as magically progressive as some people think-practically all of them have strong elitist and authoritarian tendencies. Thanks for the history lesson. I think some people sorely need it now and then. For example; Iran has much better human rights and freedoms than our(US perspective) "ally" Saudi Arabia, but that in no way makes it perfect, or makes the Iranian government the best thing since sliced bread.
I think most regular people want to get along, but most governments have a high concentration of STS-geared people.
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