(06-24-2020, 04:09 PM)Black Dragon Wrote: I would be on the "left" technically speaking
You are literal, proper left as defined by political science. No need for scare quotes or technically speaking.
One problem with American political discourse has been that the increasingly-extremist right has incessantly screamed at and accused anything/anyone who was in opposition to them that they have successfully vilified their opposition. Terms like left, working class, equality, atheism, agnosticism etc are among them. Nowadays they are doing the same screaming about progressives, who are merely a more civilized type of moderate conservatives.
This kind of thing derives from religious persecution. Incessantly screaming accusations of heresy against perceived heretics. This not only rationalizes and justifies the increasingly extremist segments' extremism because there are 'heretics' to be weeded out, but also provides unity to the flock.
If you read into religion throughout medieval history, you will see this pattern abundantly recurring. Even more so among English puritan segments who later immigrated to Americas.
The thing with that is, the moment you defend yourself against accusations by trying to argue that you are not a heretic, it means that you are declaring your allegiance to the religion - because you have accepted the accusation as worthy of consideration. It means that you are of their religion, and it means that there is indeed an accusation which you must defend against. And in such religious persecution, the one who screams "Heretic!" the earliest and loudest generally is the one who appears to be right. That's also why religious segments also defend themselves against any accusation in the same manner - by screaming even louder and accusing you of being the heretic. So if you criticize their fascist tendencies because they advocated repression of protesters in US, they will scream 'No, you are the fascist!' and scream it louder. Its a religious thing.
The only way to win such a game is to not play it at all.
Its not your religion. Its their religion. You have no obligation to defend yourself and prove that you are not a heretic. Its their religion, and that heresy exists only in their religion. You are not a believer of their religion. Again, its their religion. Its rules and philosophy do not bind you.
When facing such a situation, telling "Yeah, im left. So what." stops such people speechless in their tracks. Because, they do not expect that anyone would not defend himself from such an accusation. They expect it even less that you wont be a believer.
The non conservative, actually non-unstable segments in US must follow exactly that recipe and stop allowing increasingly extremist segments define political discourse and vilify political concepts. Otherwise there is no end to it, and they define what is acceptable and what is not.
I said non-unstable segments, because increasing extremism in US has reached delirious levels with there appearing those who claim that Trump is second coming of Jesus Christ and anyone who does not adhere to that thought is an enemy. And this affects even conservatives or hardline conservatives now. So they are in the same boat of either going with the extremists' screaming or ending up labeled as heretics. The irony...
You cannot find common ground with such extremism. The only way to find common ground is to submit yourself to them, and thats not common ground at all.
Incidentally everything depicted above in respect to increasing extremism, religious persecution and vilification of others is a fundamental negative polarization mechanic.
(06-24-2020, 04:13 PM)Navaratna Wrote: If you think that the protestors were justified
Yes.
Because, a large segment of people have been already left to die out by the establishment already.
https://ozgurzeren.com/why-americans-are-rioting
Not only by letting them go hungry due to unemployment, crisis, without giving them any aid, but also not providing free treatment and care of the disease in the first place.
As i said before, nobody waits and watches as his/her children starve.