(03-24-2019, 08:04 AM)Infinite Wrote: These two answer seems contradictory:
Quote:11.8 Questioner: Is there anyone in our history that is commonly known who went to a fourth-density self-service or negative type planet or who will go there?
Ra: I am Ra. The number of entities thus harvested is small. However, a few have penetrated the eighth level which is only available from the opening up of the seventh through the sixth. Penetration into the eighth or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle.
Quote:34.2 Questioner: Thank you very much. We’ll start general questioning now. You stated at an earlier time that penetration of the eighth level or intelligent infinity level allows a mind/body/spirit complex to be harvested if it wishes at any time/space during the cycle. When this penetration of the eighth level occurs what does the entity who penetrates this experience? Can you tell me this?
Ra: I am Ra. The experience of each entity is unique in perception of intelligent infinity. Perceptions range from a limitless joy to a strong dedication to service to others while in the incarnated state. The entity which reaches intelligent infinity most often will perceive this experience as one of unspeakable profundity. However, it is not usual for the entity to immediately desire the cessation of the incarnation. Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong.
I don't see the answers as strictly contradictory, though somewhat at odds but not completely impossible. In a large sense STS already kind of go against the grain of the universe in that they embody a partial form of the truth, and cannot use their personal truth to get to Oneness/unity without switching to positive in 6th density (or at least it's so hard no negative has ever done so per Ra). I would surmise that STS individuals are already unique souls that are strongly geared toward rejecting the concept of other selves being One with the self at the core of their being, so perhaps even contact with intelligent infinite would be seen through their already strongly tinted STS glasses.
To deconstruct where I find potential support for this in the Ra language:
"Perceptions range" - I think it's reasonable to interpret this as variability in what occurs. It's not really set in stone.
"Perceptions range from limitless joy to a strong dedication to STO" - this seems to indicate that variable perceptions result from contact with II, including limitless joy without strong dedication to STO.
"Rather the desire to communicate or use this experience to aid others is extremely strong" You can override a strong desire with even stronger inbuilt biases and desires. STS are pretty good at controlling things, and I suspect between their inbuilt rejection of Oneness/otherselves being of value and their ability to control, they would have no problem not desiring STO or not desiring to aid others after contact with II.
There is another Ra quote that mentions the percentages of STS and STO who can contact II enough to travel the universe by thought, and the STS have a much harder time with it seemingly because there are fewer STS percentage that can do so. So perhaps that also suggests there are fewer STS II contacts (on a STS-II contact/total STS scale) in general.
Quote:52.4 ▶ Questioner: Then I am assuming in the positively oriented social memory complexes that a much higher percentage of them use the personality disciplines for this travel. Is this correct?
Ra: I am Ra. This is correct. As positive fifth density moves into sixth there are virtually no entities which any longer use outer technology for travel or communication.
52.5 ▶ Questioner: Could you give me the same information on the negatively oriented social memory complexes as to the ratios, how they use the slingshot or other effect (personality [disciplines])?
Ra: I am Ra. The fourth-density negative uses the slingshot gravitic light effect, perhaps 80% of its membership being unable to master the disciplines necessary for alternate methods of travel. In fifth-density negative approximately 50% at some point gain the necessary discipline to use thought to accomplish travel. As the sixth density approaches, the negative orientation is thrown into confusion and little travel is attempted. What travel is done is perhaps 73% of light/thought.
Kinda funny to think that 1/4 of 6D STS are cruising around in space in some sort of spaceship based on physical technology.
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I really need to go meditate right now I think. I feel while this logic analysis is useful, a part of me is screaming out to shut off the logical mind and just go meditate and trust inner knowing. Ok gonna go listen to this, bye