(09-25-2018, 02:37 PM)Glow Wrote: Aion - I accept what you are saying. I know people here can be brutal with their words I have seen it. I don’t appologize or think I am wrong though in saying it’s wounds. I’m ok if that isn’t good enough for you. I think we should all attempt to be impeccable with our words.
1 of the four agreements that I think would also help every one to learn is exactly that.
Still there is no being perfect it just isn’t possible for all people in all their states of mind. Heck even CA could be pretty rough when he was hurt.
If we want to sleuth our issues Cainite left recently and as CA did he said goodbye to me and I really miss his presence around here too. Love him and I think he added a beautiful light to this place.
The energy here bothered him too but I don’t know what could have been done different. I’d like him back here but I obviously have no solution.
Life is hard and this place brings together lots of people finding life hard. Many cannot even open their hearts yet. Do they get banned because a lot of people would have been banned by now if that was the solution.
By the way I don’t think it’s anything like everyone for themselves, more no one against anyone.
I’ve been stuck up for before and I have stuck up for others. Maybe we need more of that or maybe it would just make people take sides vs trying to be open hearted and minded with everyone.
I’m going to leave this discussion because obviously I’m pretty damn fond of everyone here and all I can see is everyone’s beauty and wounds so this isn’t where I’m going to be helpful.
I think that everyone has their idealizations. I appreciate your viewpoint. However, I am still bothered that anytime somebody brings up a grievance it is 'neutralized' by this kind of language and philosophy. I know you mean well, but as you say yourself, you offer no solutions otherwise.
I think you have a kind heart and a strong sense of compassion and that is valuable to this community. The fact is I'm not a very 'fluffy' person so forgive me if sometimes my assessment of things is rather stark. I've seen people, my friends, become incredibly abused by groups of individuals claiming to be all about free love and self-acceptance, so I admit I have some biases in that regard. What people say and how people act are often two different things.
As you say, the first agreement would be a good lesson for many people.
Also, I have seen on this forum many, many, many times people pulling the 'nobody is responsible for your feelings/thoughts but you' card, so I can't say I agree with your assessment that there hasn't been a theme of everyone for themselves. I feel that your strong fondness for the people and the place definitely colours your view a bit. I also don't think there's anything wrong with that, since my views are also coloured by my experiences. I think that for myself I am often looking at the forum 'as a whole' but I feel often people are more referencing just their personal experience on the forum. I'm sure there are plenty of others who see it as a whole too though.
I feel like you might take what I am saying as 'being negative' or as saying negative things about the community. Quite the opposite actually, I am simply acknowledging our humanity. I haven't called anyone evil or tried to start a witch hunt, lol. However I have thought about the energy around this place a lot over the last 6 or 7 years so I admit I have some thoughts and opinions.