Greater clarity on pain and suffering and the need for such catalyst

[Taralie Peterdaughter]

Humans are not the only beings who are in pain and suffering here, thanks to humans.

I take issue with any so-called Creator (though, by referring to the source of consciousness or existence thus may be anthropomorphizing). I personally do not like the way free will is wielded here. If humanity wants or needs to suffer for whatever reasons, fine (though it is not easy to witness). But when humans cause suffering beyond their species, I contend that is a cruel system. I would think humanity could learn compassion within its own species, since humanity is all humanity (for the most part) seems to be concerned about. Though I am open to other interpretations.

Many humans are concerned about animals. Witness the animal rights movement and the many laws against animal cruelty.

It's true that some humans care about animals. "Many" is somewhat misleading. While many people care to an extent, what I was saying is that most of humanity, from my observational standpoint, is self-centered (literally, not in a way that I'm judging them with metaphors). It's an evolutionary issue. Statistically, "many" may be only 2% or something like that. I made that percentage up—it just seems to me that most of humanity is pretty much asleep. I wasn't judging humanity; I was taking issue with a system—if it has the meaning and purpose we want to give it—that includes so much suffering.

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Ra: [...] to the pure, all that is encountered speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. The cruelest blow is seen with an ambiance of challenges offered and opportunities to come. Thusly, the great pitch of light is held high above such an one so that all interpretation may be seen to be protected by light.

How strange that, to the pure, even animal cruelty speaks of the love and the light of the One Infinite Creator. How can such a perspective be possible?

"A great pitch of light protects all interpretation." It is the interpretation that is protected...  not the animal... not the animal's mind or body or soul or experience.

Ra is explaining cruelty by talking about "protection" BUT NOT the protection of the animal! Ra refers to the protection of the observer!

You think the animal is suffering. You see the animal suffer. No. It is NOT the animal who is suffering in this scene. It is YOU who is suffering in the way that you are witnessing.

The animal is the creator. The abuser is the creator. You are the victim--you suffer because you have been fooled by the creator's illusion.

The pure witness sees the animal as One Infinite Creator. The abuser as One Infinite Creator. Himself as One Infinite Creator.

The pure does not see the protection of the animal. The pure has his "interpretation" protected by a "great pitch of light"

You must consider this deeply.

Well, I don't, and have never, contended to be so enlightened as you apparently are. I can agree with part of the above. I agree that I suffer when I see suffering. But you are leaving out the ideas of compassion and empathy.

Are you trying to say factory-farmed animals or starving children don't suffer? When I watch a person or animal crying out in horrible pain, yes, it makes me suffer too. But I can't be so glib as to look upon them and say, la la la, it's okay, it's the OIC's game and that makes it all right. Screw the OIC then. I get the idea of oneness, and manyness, and experiencing all there is—but in my mind these are intellectual considerations.

See? I'm not very enlightened. I really do not like this new agey talk about how everything is perfect and okay as is. It's not okay. And no matter why I'm here, I still take issue with suffering. Even if I'm a wanderer to spread light in darkness, why would I be doing that? Because it's perfect here?

And, I am not a blind follower of anything, including the Ra Material, though I respect most of it immensely.

To me, your above ideas are mostly intellectual statements, and I can imagine being so advanced that this whole place is seen from a different perspective. But being here in the trenches is another situation. Unless you really are so advanced, you can watch a starving child die trying to crawl to a food wagon for a handful of rice, and feel nothing but love. If you can I envy you. I'm not being sarcastic; I wish I could really feel that way.



Don't misunderstand me—I do understand the idea of "the pure witness" and I can, to some extent, maintain that stance with humans, who are the creators of their own species' sufferings and collective consciousness. Where it really breaks down for me, as I alluded to in my original post, is when humanity's need for suffering and the complications of self-ceneteredness bleeds out into other species (including the planet). That bothers me. And I don't have to like it. 

You must consider this deeply.

Why MUST I consider what you say? Are you the messenger of ultimate truth then? I am openminded and I consider everything that comes my way. That's where we might differ. I have only working theories, and it appears you have beliefs.

Please forgive my sarcasm—I only mean to inject some snarky humor. I really don't resonate with "absolutes."

Thank you for such a well written heartful response, Diana. It helps me to know others struggle with this question about suffering and it is frustrating that people think you can just "think deeply" this issue away. I actually think it is one of the most fundamental issues of life and a major paradox in our reality, if we want to believe there is an orchestrated "God" or infinite/intelligence that would allow for this. I'm not saying there isn't God but i'm saying it is a fundamental reason for why we feel separated from it. And perhaps (O bother!) the essence of the catalyst.