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    flofrog (Offline)

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    06-17-2018, 04:59 PM (This post was last modified: 06-17-2018, 05:09 PM by flofrog.)
    Last night I woke up and started to read the book of Q’uo that I started a week ago, and I came on this very interesting passage, exactly on suffering, I find it very beautiful

    This quote is more on the suffering you exoerience in relationship , though, while less about the suffering you would experience at seeing what is happening on Earth right now...

    ******

    So from Q’uo , session 12

    “ Q’uo has chosen to remind us that you are here to gather experience. Some of that experience is joyful. Some is confortable and some distinctly uncomfortable.

    We have previously discussed the difference between pain and suffering. When it is painful, it is not pleasant. But there is only suffering when you become stuck in the illusion and begin to grasp at changing what it is. It is not the discomfort of an arising physical or emotional sensation that causes suffering. It is your aversion to what arises.

    You are each asked to live with one foot in the illusion and one foot in ultimate reality. You straddle a threshold like actors in a play. You play a role here. And, like actors, you must play a role as if it matters. You must involve yourself in the illusion if there is to be learning. Otherwise you might have as well not chosen incarnation.

    And yet there still must be awareness. Just as the actor must have awareness that he plays to an audience, so as not to turn his back on the audience and not muffle his speech, so you must maintain awareness of your true self while performing the myriad functions of the human personality.

    When you are stuck in the small ego-self, then that awareness is disconnected. That ego screams and kicks, as we spoke of earlier, fearing that its needs will not be met. If you dismiss that as illusion and disassociate yourself for it, there is the comfort of dwelling in the spiritual plane, but there is no learning. And there is still duality because, at some level, disassociation is created by a separate self seeking to protect itself.

    As you straddle this threshold, there seems to be an infinite wall that divides day by night, fear from love, and separation from connection. With practice, you learn to allow this wall to dissolve and begin to transcend that duality that is the product of delusion.

    The you learn to be in this discomforting situation without struggling, skillfully looking to resolve it in the ways in which that is possible, but also allowing the experience.

    You watch with wisdom of your higher self. You find the ability to smile at this ego that keeps reemerging. In short, you find the ability to be with the whole span of your being, neither preferring the spiritual form, nor seeking the bliss of merging yourself in that oneness that is the spirit’s foundation. Instead there is a coming together of the whole, an integration.

    In October we ended our sessions, speaking of faith and praying without stopping. We spoke of living in faith. As you allow yourself to move beyond the limits of the small ego-self and recurrently experience, through meditation and through awareness, your connection with all that is, you stop struggling like a fish out of water with the experiences that life brings. As you relax into the incarnation, personal faith does deepen. Increasingly, you find the ability to be more undefended when you are threatened.

    (...)

    As you relax the struggles with the incarnation, and make the skillful decision to let go of some of the fear; as you allow yourself to experience living without defensiveness, then those seeds of deeper love, wisdom, compassion, and loving kindness within your heart begin to flower.

    So much of the frantic kicking and screaming - What about me ? Will I have time for what i want ? Will attention be given to me ? Will I be nurtured ? - so much of that frantic activity simply winds down. You begin to see from a higher perspective. Then, as Q’uo has suggested, you begin to embrace rather than condemn this human incarnation, this actor on the stage that is sometimes caught in the illusion.

    I ask you to remember the qualities of compassion and loving kindness kindness and natural to you. They are your natural state. When fear arises, it blocks the natural expression of love. It is not useful either to grasp at the love or to attempt to get rid of the fear.

    Coming back to a concrete exemple, suppose there is one who makes requests of you that seem in your mind, to lead you to dany your needs. There you are on one side of the threshold. The foot in the illusion is saying ‘ I can’t do this ! ‘ or ‘ why does he or she keep demanding this of me ?’

    “ B keeps asking this of me. B is so frightened. Why does not B do it itself ? I’d I keep serving B , I will not have time left for me.” Anger rise. Fear arises, like that fish out of water, it just flops about.

    On the other side of the threshold is that level of clear seeing that says , “This is illusion. I am spirit, I am connected. “ Compassion arises for B. But there is a distorsion because there is no connection between the two perspectives. It become an either / or proposition - to give or to receive.

    So fear arises, self-discipline and courage may lead you not to act on fear and greed. Here, awareness may dissolve this wall so that the human, with its fear and greed, and the spirit, with its high aspirations, merge; so that you see the whole range of your behavior. This clear seeing allows a level of faith : “ No matter how much I dislike the situation I am in, it is just where I need to be. I am safe. I can experience this discomfort without closing in my armor, without further protecting myself. “

    You remind yourself over and over, “ I am safe. I can allow the fullness of the experience.” The fear of the human combines with the deep sorrow and loving aspiration of the spirit, which sees its perfection, but, because of the human aspect, cannot manifest that perfection. What deep sorrow is there. ! But the more you keep your heart open to all of it, the more struggle falls away.

    When you allow tof fear and discomfort, have faith that you are where you need to be, and allow yourself to be open and vulnerable, or let go of security. Then the heavens open and you come back into the intactness of body, mind, spirit to your connection with the Divine. “
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